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Old 12-01-2005, 10:04 PM   #41
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Normal kid > fucked up parents > raped through the pants by
Bobo Bobobo the clown > family blown up by Murdock from
MacGyver > plays violent video game > starts working in
telemarketing.

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Oh my god, the horror! the horror!
I shan't sleep tonight.
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Old 12-01-2005, 10:06 PM   #42
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Good point. To be honest, I believe that nowadays there are too many 'kids having kids'.
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Old 12-01-2005, 10:33 PM   #43
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> (note to self: I think that's the first time I've seen shan't used here in a post)

I used to use shan't all the time, though I don't remember if I ever used it here or not. It's more something I use in real life, people can't believe I worked it into everyday conversation but I did.
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Old 12-02-2005, 01:23 PM   #44
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You seem to be biased towards it being the parents fault. Although that is part of the problem, it is not the parents who raise their children anymore. It is society. Look around you. What did you learn from your dad that you didn't learn from your peers?

It's everyones fault. I'm sorry if I seemed biased before, I was just playing the advocate of Jack Thompson.
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Old 12-02-2005, 02:12 PM   #45
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You seem to be biased towards it being the parents fault.
Although that is part of the problem, it is not the parents
who raise their children anymore. It is society. Look
around you. What did you learn from your dad that you
didn't learn from your peers?


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I learned too many things to even begin listing, some of my behavioral pattern and resentment towards alcohol comes from my dad whether I like it or not. You learn much more from your parents than you realize yourself, because they are usually paragon rolemodels for good or bad (my dad's an alcoholic, I didn't drink until I was 22).
I agree that society plays a huge role in upbringing, sadly there's no denying that. The parents responsibility, however, is making sure things don't get out of hand, and pay close attention to their kids and show them that they are there for them. Not to mention teach them the rules and boundaries that is required for a young mind.

If your child begins showing violent tendencies towards others (playing violent video games or not), you lecture them that it's wrong. If you somehow let their authority figure become a video game (or anything else, however rare such an event is), then you have failed as a parent and the blame lies solely in your hands.
However much society affects children, it only means that it makes parenting more difficult. They are the final arbiter, the alpha and omega, Gods of the household; nothing should challenge that lest they fail their duty and raise Bobo Bobobo the clown.
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Old 12-02-2005, 02:34 PM   #46
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> I agree that society plays a huge role in upbringing, sadly
> there's no denying that. The parents responsibility,
> however, is making sure things don't get out of hand, and
> pay close attention to their kids and show them that they
> are there for them. Not to mention teach them the rules and
> boundaries that is required for a young mind.

Some parents are just too ignorant to realize the signs. Like my parents, for example. I've taken all sorts of drugs, and they never knew I was a druggie for a while. I cleaned up my act, but I still take Ex and dope.

But anyway, I like your thinking. You can sure dish our the points when you need to

In any case, it is very sad that our peers raise most of us, and they set an example for us. But for the parents to have a good effect on how you will be in the future, they gotta start young. I know very few people who idolize their parents, and it's because they all come from shitty neighbourhoods and families who don't really care about them.

We all wish we could live in a perfect world...But we don't. We sit here with our TV's, our houses, our good lives, and we take it for granted. Nobody else in the world asks for things to get better, and don't expect it to.

Anyways, I'm rambling. I hope the best for your dad, I have a grandpa who is an alcoholic too, and he doesn't have many years left...
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:37 PM   #47
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Anyways, I'm rambling. I hope the best for your dad, I have
a grandpa who is an alcoholic too, and he doesn't have many
years left...


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Neither has my dad, he's had heart surgery and is in a piss poor condition. The really sad part is that I'm the only one in the family that cares, because he treated my mom pretty crappy when my siblings and I were kids (never beat her or anything, just a lot of yelling).
Anyhoo, let's not drift into off-topic mode. =)
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