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Old 01-29-2007, 03:15 AM   #1
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...277175242198&qhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q</a>

i wonder how many more freedoms will be lost before people will finally have the wisdom and conviction to stand up. usually when i get involved in these sort of discussions IRL, i'm just dismissed as being a conspiracy theorist lover. of course i live in one of the most conservative (and for mostly all the wrong reasons) areas of america.

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Old 01-29-2007, 04:40 AM   #2
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I think it is a good time to use the "All your freedom belongs to us" joke. That or "Freedom discontinued".
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Old 01-29-2007, 09:18 PM   #3
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I've seen the film, and I've done my own fact checking. Many key points about the IRS do not hold up. This includes the majority of the Supreme Court cases cited.

Income tax is still bullshit, tho', and one argument is worth noting: the money for your labor is not a capital gain. It's a trade of property. Your time and effort for their money. It's nonsense that the government has twisted this principle for their own purposes. This is the only part of the film that supports valid theory.
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Old 01-29-2007, 10:05 PM   #4
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> Income tax is still bullshit, tho', and one argument is
> worth noting: the money for your labor is not a capital
> gain. It's a trade of property. Your time and effort for
> their money. It's nonsense that the government has twisted
> this principle for their own purposes.

That one point that you deem valid happens to be the main point - they take and they take and they do so, not to empower the people but to empower the system that is supposed to be OUR servant. I don't know how it can be any more black and white.

> This is the only part of the film that supports valid theory.

what constitutes a valid theory? i have many theories I believe in based on my 31 years of observation in this country. I may not be able to substantiate them all to the satisfaction of a court of law. however, often times, when we require such scrutiny to officially establish truth, we are in fact looking past the mark.

i believe it comes down to the ideology that people can know the truth of something, even when supposed facts may contradict. call it intuition, divine enlightenment, or simply democratic choice.

the powers that be should be the powers that serve the people's interests. THE PEOPLE, as in actual human beings, you and I. the rich and the poor. the sick and the healthy. the believers and the non-believers.

no amount of facts will disuade my ferverent self-knowledge that something is terribly wrong. this video for me points in the right direction according to my beliefs. i think it would do the same for many more people. but you will never see it in the mainstream. hell, it broke google video's top 100 instantly. then mysteriously disappeared from the list.

and what a fucking stupid list at that.

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Old 01-30-2007, 07:35 AM   #5
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> i wonder how many more freedoms will be lost before people
> will finally have the wisdom and conviction to stand up.
> usually when i get involved in these sort of discussions
> IRL, i'm just dismissed as being a conspiracy theorist
> lover. of course i live in one of the most conservative
> (and for mostly all the wrong reasons) areas of america.

> discuss your demise

It's useless; they can't see the gate to immortality; they are blind. Not even through multiple layers of sarcasm. Actually, now that I think of it, that is a lot of manipulation for those who fly on wings of death to slather on. No, its hopeless; we can't get them to become enlightened and decide that people who can't love each the other due to religious, political, or philosophical reasons deserve to die, as humans have all formed an inaccurate view of reality which has caused them to destroy themselves; the religious who will be put to the sword are the ones who can't see that in essence, they _are the beast_ described in Revelations; that the key to immortality is to _decide_ that humans who can't get along with each other are just that: humans who can't accept each other as living gods, who will be bombarded with clue after clue that they're immortal gods who have always been if they'll just accept that they're evil, and instead of denying it, _use it against those who refuse to accept that all humans are living, immortal gods_.
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Old 01-30-2007, 07:22 PM   #6
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> It's useless; they can't see the gate to immortality; they
> are blind. Not even through multiple layers of sarcasm.
> Actually, now that I think of it, that is a lot of
> manipulation for those who fly on wings of death to slather
> on. No, its hopeless; we can't get them to become

> enlightened and decide that people who can't love each the
> other due to religious, political, or philosophical reasons
> deserve to die, as humans have all formed an inaccurate view
> of reality which has caused them to destroy themselves; the
> religious who will be put to the sword are the ones who

> can't see that in essence, they _are the beast_ described in
> Revelations; that the key to immortality is to _decide_ that
> humans who can't get along with each other are just that:
> humans who can't accept each other as living gods, who will
> be bombarded with clue after clue that they're immortal gods

> who have always been if they'll just accept that they're
> evil, and instead of denying it, _use it against those who
> refuse to accept that all humans are living, immortal gods_.

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Old 02-01-2007, 04:54 PM   #7
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I was looking at this as a purely intellectual exercise. If you're coming up with theory, it should be substantiated by fact. As it stands, tax protesters have tried to invalidate tax law with arguments from old Supreme Court cases, most of which were heard before the 14th amendment was "ratified".

As we all know, theory, fact, and everything in between are loose constructs, so choosing this method of debate is a matter of personal preference.

Just remember, you can never "stick it" to The Man. You ARE The Man. You are the subjugator and the subjugated. You are everything.
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Old 02-01-2007, 11:37 PM   #8
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http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html

This more or less demolishes most of the arguments in that film.
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Old 02-02-2007, 12:42 AM   #9
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> Just remember, you can never "stick it" to The Man. You ARE
> The Man. You are the subjugator and the subjugated. You
> are everything.

Yeah seriously, the reason democracy is so fucking stupid is because really, voting is pointless as its possible by having a more enlightened view of one's place in reality to determine the basic flow of events that occur in the world according to what one wills; as such, viewing oneself as "the people" is correct; YOU are the people. From my perspective, I must say that "the people" are going to realize what I'm saying. Life is just a dream in which ideas and thoughts are exchanged with other people. Historically, the ideas that have determined the views which define the reality of people have been such that "death" must occur, and that there are certain other absolutes. It's all a problem of language and axioms when you get down to it. Life is a discussion which leads to either immortality or death. At some point, kids either hear that they're going to die, or they don't, and live forever. Undoing the conditioning in whatever population you live in is the hard part.
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Old 02-05-2007, 08:24 AM   #10
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> Just remember, you can never "stick it" to The Man. You ARE
> The Man. You are the subjugator and the subjugated. You
> are everything.

Hold the society-psychobabble for cubical buddies and college professors.

I am so not the man. I am so not down with the man. I would never put myself in jail for example.

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