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Old 11-16-2005, 06:56 PM   #51
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Default Re: But I made a SD3 title design too...

> I think what everyone's trying to say here is...
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> Drop the subject.
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> Do you have Asperger's Syndrome or something? Geez. >_

Whoa there. I, too, think that the guy's an unparalleled jackass, but that hit a little close to home.
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Old 11-16-2005, 07:23 PM   #52
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Default Nice analogy, Sniper.

Ahhh, yes... the old "2 The Ranting Gryphon" analogy.
http://www.ranting-gryphon.com/Rants/2rant-art_fans.mp3

But you see, Kitsune Sniper, I'm not taking your expensive sports car and running it through the jungle then selling the parts to 'Guido,' I'm taking a COPY of your sports car, tricking it out with tinted windows, rice-boi spoilers and 13 inch rims. And then you're nagging at me because what I did with my COPY of the sports car doesn't suit YOUR personal taste: "It was perfect before, stupid ass! Why the hell did you f-ck with it? Wasn't it good enough for you?" Secondly, you just compared editing roms to editing furry porn.

You've equated me wanting to change a title screen in a game (and not even caring about getting credit for it, by the way) with someone who rubs copyright info out of a pic, adds Pam Anderson sized breasts and then claims COMPLETE AND TOTAL credit for drawing the whole damn thing. Never in my life have have I augmented boobs on a vixen and even if I did change something in a pic it wouldn't affect anyone else's COPY of that picture, nor would I even put it up on the internet, lest I be lynched by the furry RIAA.

It would be for my own PERSONAL use.
No one is REQUIRED to change theirs.

All I wanted to do was put my own title screen into my COPY of a rom of Seiken Densetsu 3. If that's such a terrible unforgivable blasphemy then you should just kill anyone who's ever done scanlations of hentai, or translations of a game, because the creators WEREN'T asked. [sarc]And I am just -SOOO- damn sure that Squaresoft would've said yes if Niel HAD asked them before making his english patch.[/sarc]

Everyone has their loopholes and hypocrisies.
No one, not even me, is able to escape that.
And yeah, I am pretty damn annoying. ^.^

> Imagine there's a furry picture you like a lot.
> Now imagine a random person changing the image.
> He doesn't like that the guy draws flat chested females.

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Old 11-16-2005, 08:25 PM   #53
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Default Re: Nice analogy, Sniper.

Jesus H. Christ on a flying pogo stick, enough already.
Look, you wanna change your non-hacked rom, fine. You wanna change somebody else's hack, you need to be bitchslapped.
People that hack roms do it because they think they've got a tweak that will make the game look better, make the gameplay better, or just plain more fun.
You wanna hack the game, fine. Hack the original rom.
Don't screw with someone else's hack. It's plain not nice.
It's one thing to ask for help here, which is way cool, but romhacking is a process best learned by trial and error. There are plenty of documents out there to get you started.
Read.
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Old 11-16-2005, 08:28 PM   #54
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Default Re: Nice analogy, Sniper.

> Jesus H. Christ on a flying pogo stick, enough already.
> Look, you wanna change your non-hacked rom, fine. You wanna
> change somebody else's hack, you need to be bitchslapped.

I know we usually don't like each other, but...

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Old 11-16-2005, 08:37 PM   #55
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Default Re: Nice analogy, Sniper.

Who the hell is that person? I don't follow the furry "scene". I'm more of a loner.

And did I ever say that you were gonna make money? Nope. I asked you to think of what any particular artist would do if someone went ahead and edited his art without his permission. I never said anything about removing copyright information. I just said -modify the image-. (Besides, most people that do modify images ask the owners of the picture for permission, especially those that color art as a hobby. Or if they can't ask, they'll leave all relevant copyright info intact.

Your little car analogy has its flaws. Why? Well, for one thing, you paid for the car. You didn't pay for the patch, or for the rom. You have the right to change the car in any way you please. You -don't- have the right to change the Neill's patch. The patch's readme even prohibits people from changing the patch. Change the title screen on the original if you want, that's not my problem.

Like Fla Flash said, if you want the title to be changed, do it yourself. Learn how to hack. Don't expect others to help you.

Could you please drop the subject? Just leave it at that.
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Old 11-16-2005, 08:56 PM   #56
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Default Please end my misery now.

Jesus H Mother-Trucker...

A: I never said I wanted to alter -NIEL's- hack, the idea I proposed would be completely INDEPENDENT of anyone's else's translations. It wouldn't be an "addition" to any one person's hack, unless in the highly unlikely event someone out there likes my screen and wants to use it.

B: I never said "I'm making a title screen hack, and if you guys don't update to my version, I'll come to your house and shoot your dog!" I only asked HOW and IF it was possible or if maybe some nice person out there could make a patch.

C: I don't want to take anyone's name out of a rom! If I or anyone made the title patch I wouldn't even WANT credit for the image, so long as I get the patch to apply to MY OWN rom of SD3, not anyone else's!

PER-SON-AL-USE.
Doesn't anyone get it?

I know my way around Photoshop somewhat, but every tile layer, pic converter, or whatever has either been incompatible with XP or confusing as hell.

I can see why you guys hate complaints, now. Looking at this stuff is like trying to piece together a jigsaw puzzle that's been run through an office paper shredder.

All I see is squares of discombobulated pixels.
I don't even know where what I'm trying to edit is at.

> You wanna hack the game, fine. Hack the original rom.
> Don't screw with someone else's hack. It's plain not nice.
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Old 11-16-2005, 09:03 PM   #57
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Default Re: Please end my misery now.

None of that states how you came across.....
If you can't use the progs out there (Tile Layer Pro, Mr. Click's or any of the others) then you've not read the readme's.
That's where people screw up.
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Old 11-16-2005, 09:26 PM   #58
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Default Re: Nice analogy, Sniper.

> And did I ever say that you were gonna make money?
(By making a bootleg cart to sell on e-bay, which I wouldn't.)

No, but you were probably going to if I didn't beat you to it first, lol. I'm still waiting on you to call me a "Sibe sympathizer" I like using everyone's jokes before they have a chance to use them on me. Self-deprecating humor = love.

> think of what any particular artist would do if someone
> went and edited his art without his permission.

Ask Squaresoft that same question, which its not like I care about their opinion. They're assholes for not releasing SD3 in the states in the first place, had they, I woulda bought it fair and square, no pun intended.

>I never said anything about removing copyrights
> people that do modify images ask the owners of the picture
> Or if they can't ask, they'll leave all relevant copyright info.

And I never said anything about specifically editing NIEL's patch. So because Neil made a patch -that- gives him intelectual posession over even the unmodded SD3's? Nobody else can make their own hacks for SD3 now?

I never said I WOULDN'T keep the relevent copyright data in the rom. Y'see... we are both equally putting words in each others mouths and assuming what the other is trying to do or is going to say next, neither of us can win.

> Your little car analogy has its flaws. Why? Well, for one
> thing, you paid for the car. You didn't pay for the patch.

Its not MY analogy its 2 Gryphon's, and quite comparable to yours. And: No, I didn't pay for the car... I zapped your car with my xerox ray. Therefore, since it is a copy, you really shouldn't care what happens to it, hmmm?

> You have the right to change the car any way you want.
-Yes... I do.

> You -don't- have the right to change Neill's patch.
-I never said I was going to, you made assumptions.
-And I made assumtpions about you back, to be a jerk.

> Change the title screen on the original
> if you want, that's not my problem.

So... I can change the title screen for a japanese copy of the rom, but I can't add Neil's english patch on top of that after I've hacked the title? Because the game is pretty useless to me if I can't read it... y'know?

> Could you please drop the subject?

Stalemate? Meh... Sorry, I get defensive when I feel like people are coming down on me for fun, or when I think they are exhibiting hypocritical loopholes. Yelling at me over copyrights, while playing illegal roms, listening to illegal mp3's, and using cracked Photoshop.

Which I don't really care, I just think its comical
because you're being totally fecicious.
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Old 11-16-2005, 09:29 PM   #59
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Default We both made assumptions.

> And did I ever say that you were gonna make money?
(By making a bootleg cart to sell on e-bay, which I wouldn't
But I know that's the cause for fear over a patch.)

No, but you were probably going to if I didn't beat you to it first, lol.
I'm still waiting on you to call me a "Sibe sympathizer"

> think of what any particular artist would do if someone
> went and edited his art without his permission.

Ask Squaresoft that same question, which its not like I care about their opinion. They're assholes for not releasing SD3 in the states in the first place, had they, I woulda bought it fair and square, no pun intended.

> I never said anything about removing copyrights
> people that do modify images ask the owners of the picture

And I never said anything about specifically editing NIEL's patch. So because Neil made a patch -that- gives him intelectual posession over even the unmodded SD3's? Nobody else can make their own hacks for SD3 now? Or in order to have english SD3 with my title I have to go through and make my OWN english dialogue patch too???

> Or if they can't ask, they'll leave all relevant copyright info.

I never said I WOULDN'T keep relevent copyright data. Y'see, we're both equally putting words in each others mouths and trying to anticipate what the other will say, but niether of us is going to "pwn" the other. You can't be forced to see my P.O.V. and I can't be forced to see yours.

> Your little car analogy has its flaws. Why? Well, for one
> thing, you paid for the car. You didn't pay for the patch.

Its not MY analogy its 2 Gryphon's, and quite comparable to yours. He compared editing furry pics to trashing someone's brand new car. But the car is a free copy, so the person I copied the car from really shouldn't give a crap what I do with mine, hmmm? I'm not editing anyone's stuff and saying "Look! I -MADE- that drawing!"

> You have the right to change the car any way you want.
-Yes... I do.

> You -don't- have the right to change Neill's patch.
-I never said I was going to, you made assumptions.
-And I made assumtpions about you back, to be a jerk.

> Change the title screen on the original
> if you want, that's not my problem.

So... I can change the title screen for a japanese copy of the rom, but I can't add Neil's english patch on top of that after I've hacked the title? Because the game is pretty useless to me if I can't read it... y'know?

> Could you please drop the subject?

Stalemate? Meh... Sorry, I get defensive when I feel like people are coming down on me for fun, or when I think they are exhibiting hypocritical loopholes: Yelling at me over copyrights, while playing illegal roms, listening to illegal mp3's, and using cracked Photoshop. Which I'm not saying I'm pro-RIAA, I just think its comical.
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Old 11-16-2005, 09:34 PM   #60
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Default Re: I made two designs, one romaji/one english.

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Neway. Here's the dummy-version (at least from what I make of it), since this topic now has reached 56 post, most of them being off topic in one way or the other.

1. Open up the rom in a Tile-editor (TileLayerPro for example)
2. Scroll down in different BPP-planes until you find the titlescreen (ie it's graphics).
3. Replace it, either drawing it by hand, by click-and-dragging tiles from another rom, or by importing BMP's that you've done.
4. Save it, and you're done.

Now, if you can't find the graphics (I've never hacked SD3, so I wouldn't know), then they are most likely compressed. This way, you won't be able to edit them without knowing some ASML, and since you wouldn't even BE here if you knew that, I take it such tasks are out of the question.

Problem is, that Aseembly/compression and all that scary stuff takes a while to deal with, and no one is gonna take a few hours off every day for a week or two to make sure you (or anyone else for that matter) can play SD3 with a different font. Just cuz you're a noob at romhacking, doesn't mean you can't find visual graphics. If you can't find the titlescreen by looking throught the rom in every mode available to you, then it's the rom that messes things up, not your inability to hack it (well, that too). This is something that you're most likely to come across whenever you hack, since you never know if the problem lies in your noobishness,or if it's totally out of your league. My recommendation is, hack a lot of games, and get some experience. it helps.

Secondly, while the titlescreen may or may not be visible, keep in mind that it most likely is split up on 8x8 pixel tiles. Therefore, you should be looking for a collection of tiles that can be puzzled into a titlescreen, rather then a fully fledged text saing "Seiken Densetsu". TLP's paste-function can help with this in case you use it.

And...that's about it. If you can't find it at all, then it's compressed, and you'll just have to give it up, since there's no decompressor (that I can think about) that has been made public.

Now, onto the offtopic comments. Ok, so ppl don't like it when you edit their lifes work (since SD3 surely must have taken a few years to complete). Fair enough. I myself would feel kinda proud if other people wanted to edit my work, as long as they didn't take any credit for it themselves. But on the otherhand, I like people a lot, and romhacking as well. And seeing as I do Swedish translation, I'm not very used to being bugged by ppl asking for help with patches (sadly)...

It's all a grey zone. Neill has every right to keep ppl from (ab)using his patch, just like Square reserves the right to sue the ass of anyone that create illegal backups of their (lifes)work, and ALTERING it, not to mention takes credit for doing and so, while going so far as to (almost) claim copyright on it. Not ofically of course, but most people know that I'm talking about.

Though I must stress one thing. You'll have to do it yourself (with outside assistance),since most ppl prefer to use/waste their time on projects that actually gets released in public.

<img src=smilies/thumb.gif> = My subliminal "mood", that should be used on the above post. Since I'm a happy person who loves romhacking, and is all about <img src=smilies/liefde.gif>. Once agin, <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>!
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