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Old 02-15-2005, 10:52 PM   #1
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Default 15 Year Old Sentenced to 30 years in prison for murder

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While his crimes are HORRENDOUS, he also did them as a TWELVE-YEAR-OLD.

how can you send a medicated kid to jail for 30 years for something he did as a child? i mean, think about it. the dude was TWELVE! this doesn't absolve him from blame, but shit. where is the line drawn between childhood and adulthood? or is there no line at all?

what should've been done with this kid, or was the sentence just?

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Old 02-15-2005, 11:06 PM   #2
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30 years... that kid's life is over.

By the time he gets out, he'll have no social graces, no marketable skills, and no means of coping with day-to-day experience in the real world.

As a side note, antidepressants are horseshit.

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Old 02-15-2005, 11:09 PM   #3
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> As a side note, antidepressants are horseshit.
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Yeah they are. They "equalize" your mood so you don't feel either up or down. They eliminate "peak experiences".

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Old 02-15-2005, 11:22 PM   #4
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Eh, it's quite an issue. I mean, he murdered his grandparents.... had I been on the jury I could tell you more. I don't even have very clear memories of being 12. As for the verdict, I don't think blaming the medication flies, namely because a person taking anti-depression medication is clearly troubled to begin with. That's why I'm always surprised that people try to blame the medication and not the condition that lead to the medication.

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Old 02-15-2005, 11:45 PM   #5
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> That's why I'm always
> surprised that people try to blame the medication and not
> the condition that lead to the medication.

Google "SSRI Problems" Trust me, anti-depressants can put SOME people in REALLY bizarre frames of mind...make them reckless, aggressive, suicidal...the total opposite of what they're supposed to do.

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Old 02-16-2005, 02:31 AM   #6
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> Google "SSRI Problems" Trust me, anti-depressants can put
> SOME people in REALLY bizarre frames of mind...make them
> reckless, aggressive, suicidal...the total opposite of what
> they're supposed to do.

I do remember a girl I know went off her anti-depression medicine because it was giving her bizarre dreams and thoughts, so I don't doubt it could send some people off the charts. Medications are drugs, capable of altering the mental state, and different people will be affected differently. I'm interested in the details of the case, as to whether or not they really investigated the medicine's fault in the child's actions. You know the prosecution chose a jury ignorant to revelations in science/medicine.

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Old 02-16-2005, 03:23 AM   #7
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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>

While his crimes are HORRENDOUS, he also did them as a TWELVE-YEAR-OLD.

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Commit an adult crime, serve an adult sentence...

If he doesn't know, then his parents did a shit job of teaching this kid what right and wrong was. I feel no sympathy at all...

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Old 02-16-2005, 03:36 AM   #8
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That and allowing manufacturers to advertise them like glamour clothing was one of the worst legislative blunders in US history.

> Yeah they are. They "equalize" your mood so you don't feel
> either up or down. They eliminate "peak experiences".
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Old 02-16-2005, 04:10 AM   #9
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> Google "SSRI Problems" Trust me, anti-depressants can put
> SOME people in REALLY bizarre frames of mind...make them
> reckless, aggressive, suicidal...the total opposite of what
> they're supposed to do.
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I'm on an SSRI, since without it I have a bad tendency to fall into periods of intense depression. While I've never experienced anything even remotely like what you described above, I think the "equalization" effect you mentioned earlier is true, which is why I sometimes stopped taking it for a while when I'm not expecting any stress, like when I'm on a long vacation. I suppose that's reckless, but so far it's worked out ok. (In my experience, it's not addictive at all, as I've sometimes heard people claim. Whenever I stopped taking it --somtimes for weeks at a time-- I didn't experience even the slightest feeling of withdrawal.)

I'm suspicious of claims that SSRIs are directly responsible for things like violence. I think it more likely that it's what Danoz said-- the people are troubled to begin with. I suppose it's possible, though, that by raising their mood just a bit, it might give some badly depressed people (who would otherwise just mope) enough drive that they actually act on negative feelings they've accumulated as a result of their depression.

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*does some Googling*

aha, I see I'm not alone in thinking that:
<blockquote>Licinio tells WebMD that antidepressant-related suicide risk can be minimized by monitoring patients closely during the initial phase of drug treatment. That is when they are most vulnerable, he says, because the drugs tend to relieve symptoms of lethargy before they start to improve a patient's sense of well-being.

"The last symptom that tends to improve when a person begins antidepressant treatment is the feeling of despair," he says. "So in this initial period of treatment they may be more at risk because they have more energy to act on their feelings and are still depressed."
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Old 02-16-2005, 04:20 AM   #10
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This is simply one of those situations where there isn't any good solution.

Do you put him in jail for 30 years, or make him spend the rest of his life in a mental hospital, in a doped up haze? You obviously can't give him a significantly shorter sentence, just because he's significantly underage, because he murdered two people. There's no grey area there.

When he is finally released from jail, he will be a social deviant. He'll have no skills other than what's been taught to him behind bars, and his attitude will reflect that. He'll go back into jail just as quickly as he was released.

How do you punish someone who may not have been in control of their own actions?

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