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Old 05-25-2007, 02:06 AM   #1
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One day Socrates came upon a student who exclaimed: "Socrates, do you know what I have just heard concerning one of your other students?"

"Before you speak," Socrates replied, "say first if you have made absolutely sure that what you would tell me is true."

"No, Socrates." the student said. "For I just now heard of it."

"Very well," said Socrates. "So you do not know if it is true or not. Now that it has not passed the test of truth, let us apply the test of goodness. Is what you are about to tell me about my student something which is good?"

"No, Socrates, on the contrary."

"So," Socrates continued, "you wish to tell me something bad about him, but you are not not certain that it is true. There is a final test left. Sometimes men may joke with one another. Is what you wish to tell me about my student intended to be entertaining to me?"

"No, not really."

"Well," concluded Socrates, "if what you want to tell me is neither true nor good nor even entertaining, then why tell it to me at all?"

And so the student went away. And that illustrates why Socrates was a great philosopher, and held in high regard by all.




And that is also why Socrates never found out that Plato was banging his wife.
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Old 05-25-2007, 04:54 AM   #2
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> And that is also why Socrates never found out that Plato was
> banging his wife.

You would think so--but could it not be said that this statement rests on some fundamental assumptions which depending on context and epistemological views may or may not be warranted? If Socrates never found out that Plato was banging his wife, how do we know that Plato was actually banging Socrates' wife, and not the wife of a representation of Socrates as filtered through our subjective perception of him?

If Socrates himself has no knowledge of his wife's cheating, then is Socrates ignorant, or does he actually exist in a universe separate from our subjective perception of him where she has not cheated on him?
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Old 05-25-2007, 05:23 AM   #3
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> If Socrates himself has no knowledge of his wife's cheating,
> then is Socrates ignorant, or does he actually exist in a
> universe separate from our subjective perception of him
> where she has not cheated on him?

and furthermore... if Plato bangs Socrates' wife in a forest when Socrates is not around, does it make a sound?
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Old 05-25-2007, 01:44 PM   #4
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> and furthermore... if Plato bangs Socrates' wife in a forest
> when Socrates is not around, does it make a sound?
The forest, or Socrates' wife?

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Old 05-25-2007, 09:52 PM   #5
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> If Socrates himself has no knowledge of his wife's cheating,
> then is Socrates ignorant, or does he actually exist in a
> universe separate from our subjective perception of him
> where she has not cheated on him?

'Cheating' isn't a measurable physical quantity, so I'd say in one sense, he might as well. His universe can only consist of his memories, thoughts, and senses.

However, let's take this a step further and ask if a gun I don't know about can still kill me.

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