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Old 11-03-2005, 02:05 AM   #1
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Does Namco Museum have roms on the disc? and if so, how hard would it be extract them and use them in mame?
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Old 11-03-2005, 11:14 AM   #2
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Seeing as to it's a commercial release, I highly doubt it.....game developers are trying to make it harder to get your hands on the roms, not easier.
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Old 11-03-2005, 07:41 PM   #3
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> Seeing as to it's a commercial release, I highly doubt
> it.....game developers are trying to make it harder to get
> your hands on the roms, not easier.

correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I recall, most games that had some sort of retro game in them were easily extracted from the main image (zelda master quest, I think they did the same for animal crossing). I'm not certain about the namco collections though, but why would you want them anyway when there are genuine images already out there? <img src=smilies/eek13.gif>
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Old 11-03-2005, 07:45 PM   #4
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> but why would you want
> them anyway when there are genuine images already out there?

Simple: Legally, they're yours. You bought the game disc, so (unless specifically mentioned on the game's EULA) you have the right to use those game files however you please.

A while back I bought a copy of Intellivision Lives for PC; all the games were right there, unencrypted, and you could do whatever you wished with them. Heck, when I sold it on eBay, I encouraged prospective buyers to get a freeware emulator and use it to play the games on the disc. They're legally obtained rom backups.
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Old 11-03-2005, 09:01 PM   #5
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> Simple: Legally, they're yours. You bought the game disc, so
> (unless specifically mentioned on the game's EULA) you have
> the right to use those game files however you please.

uh, last I checked even copying roms for personal use was illegal. I could be wrong though. After a bit of research, I found out that dumping ROMs off of arcade boards was legal, but I don't know if the same could be said about extracting arcade images from ISO images.
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Old 11-04-2005, 01:20 AM   #6
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Default Re: ROMs on Namco Museum?

> uh, last I checked even copying roms for personal use was
> illegal. I could be wrong though. After a bit of research, I
> found out that dumping ROMs off of arcade boards was legal,
> but I don't know if the same could be said about extracting
> arcade images from ISO images.

I'm pretty sure it's legal. Even if it's not though, why would the manufacturer care? Doesn't matter if you're emulating the games using the emulator they came with or with MAME, you still bought the product and you didn't give the ROMs to anyone else. What are they losing?
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Old 11-04-2005, 03:34 AM   #7
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> most games that had some sort of retro game in them were easily
> extracted from the main image (zelda master quest, I think
> they did the same for animal crossing).

You're right on those two counts, but I wouldn't say that that's generally true. Often there will simply be simulations made, in some cases where the sound emulation would take too much time the music is actually recorded ahead of time and just streamed back. Depends on the power of the system, whether an emulator is easy to write, how feasible it is to do a straight port, etc.
I don't know about the specific game this thread is about, in any case.
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Old 11-04-2005, 04:10 AM   #8
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> uh, last I checked even copying roms for personal use was
> illegal. I could be wrong though. After a bit of research, I
> found out that dumping ROMs off of arcade boards was legal,
> but I don't know if the same could be said about extracting
> arcade images from ISO images.

... the files were on the CD. Uncompressed. Unencrypted. Right. There. The person that (originally) bought this CD PAID for his right to use the programs, game roms, and videos in the disc as they see fit.

It is my opinion that if you buy a retrogaming compilation, you pay for the use of the game files (roms) and the software included to run the games. Unless the EULA forbids you to do so, you can get the files and use them as you see fit. *shrugs*

By the way, dumping is dumping, regardless of what console we're talking about. It may be legal or not, it doesn't matter. It's a gray area. Nintendo will always say it's illegal, no matter what.
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Old 11-04-2005, 04:40 AM   #9
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> Nintendo will always say it's illegal, no matter what.

Nintendo still says emulators are illegal. Because you can do illegal things with them. They must hate VCRs.

But Nintendo doesn't seem too bad with this at the moment. Sony's the one bringing out multiple firmware updates so people can't put crappy demos on their PSPs...
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Old 11-04-2005, 04:45 AM   #10
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> But Nintendo doesn't seem too bad with this at the moment.
> Sony's the one bringing out multiple firmware updates so
> people can't put crappy demos on their PSPs...

Eh, welp, there is the new NDS firmware that blocks the original PassMe device (for running homebrew)...but there is already PassMe2 that works on it. At least I can say they aren't going as insane as Sony is. I mean, not releasing new firmware updates in their games and having a hairy fit every time someone figures a newer way to run homebrew on the system.

And users of the modified NDS firmware FlashMe ran into some trouble since Mario Kart writes WiFi settings into the firmware so all games can use them, and eh, that originally blank part of the firmware, FlashMe was using it. But again, that problem was fixed and all is well.
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