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Old 12-20-2005, 10:09 PM   #11
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> The Unions all need to die.

I'm often cynical about unions, corrupt organizations that they often are, but there are many employers who are assholes too, and would take advantage of employees given half the chance, so I'm not sure I would go quite that far. However...

That said, cases like this are certainly pretty damn far-removed from black-lunged coal miners organizing over a century ago in order to get enough pay to feed their families without becoming permanently indebted to the company store.

The workers are right that they have a right ot negotiate a price for their labor (as with any commodity), but what what I rarely see mentioned is that in comparable negotiations for sales of physical goods, this would be called monopolistic price-fixing, and would be prosecuted under federal anti-trust laws.
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Old 12-20-2005, 11:13 PM   #12
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Why wasn't an arbitration called for before this happened?
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Old 12-20-2005, 11:15 PM   #13
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> Why wasn't an arbitration called for before this happened?

I just tread the bit about the 24% pay increase.

Fuck that shit.
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Old 12-20-2005, 11:19 PM   #14
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> > Why wasn't an arbitration called for before this happened?
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> Fuck that shit.

PPS: For the record, I am very pro-worker's rights, but very much against the way unions work today.
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Old 12-20-2005, 11:23 PM   #15
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> So basically they're ADMITTING they have NO marketable
> skills, they're useless, they're untalented, and they
> deserve less...but demand more.

That depends on the union. I wouldn't say electricians, carpenters, police officers, and firefighters have no skills.
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Old 12-21-2005, 03:18 AM   #16
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> That depends on the union. I wouldn't say electricians,
> carpenters, police officers, and firefighters have no
> skills.

I didn't mention them, now did I?
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Old 12-21-2005, 04:40 AM   #17
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> Fuck you, TWU

About 10 miles north of me is TWU...it's scumptious. It's Texas Women's Univ. <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>
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Old 12-21-2005, 09:52 AM   #18
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> > That depends on the union. I wouldn't say electricians,
> > carpenters, police officers, and firefighters have no
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> I didn't mention them, now did I?

I thought I replied to this already but I must not've hit post again on the preview page.

Anyhow, all the "they's" in the original post kind-of ambiguated it. I misread you. Now I see what you were saying. Sorry.
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:13 PM   #19
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It amazes me that the city hasn't hired any Scabs yet. I saw shitloads of people commuting to work this morning by foot. -7C weather, and snowing I do believe.

Still, I've walked that and more to work a few times, it can be rewarding. Plus it's good excercise.
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Old 12-21-2005, 07:34 PM   #20
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> It amazes me that the city hasn't hired any Scabs yet. I
> saw shitloads of people commuting to work this morning by
> foot. -7C weather, and snowing I do believe.
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It's cold here today, but it isn't snowing. Or do you mean over there in Ontario?

Anyway, over here the city probably won't need to hire scabs. With the $1M-per-day fine the judge ordered, I think the union will have no choice but to back down.
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