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Old 12-16-2007, 04:49 PM   #11
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> I think that all of you moderators on the message board
> should become staff and post updates on the main page, 1-2
> times a week starting now. That's not too much to ask, is
> it? It takes 5-20 minutes tops to make a post. If you have
> time to post on the message board all of the time.

Can't, sorry. I don't know why you're still going on about this. Swamp already explained that none of us have access. At least, I don't anymore, so I assume no one else does either.
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Old 12-16-2007, 04:56 PM   #12
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> words words words

I'm so tired of these "Sam is keeping ZD down" threads. If you dislike him so much and want a great emulation site like the ZD of old, why don't you create your own site? Seriously, webspace and domains are cheap and content management software is free and easy to use.

ZD is dead. Stop talking about a revival and move on,
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Old 12-16-2007, 05:39 PM   #13
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> Swamp already explained that none of us have access.
> At least, I don't anymore, so I assume no one else does
> either.

Hm, what happened, anyhow? Well, if you don't mind me asking anyway (if it's not like classified info or something :P). Just curious...

I know there were some issues with the system, but before at least a few people had access, though that was quite awhile ago so it's not neccesarily the case now...don't want you to think I'm posting in this thread to argue with anybody.
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Old 12-16-2007, 05:49 PM   #14
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> Hm, what happened, anyhow? Well, if you don't mind me
> asking anyway (if it's not like classified info or something
> :P).

My SFTP access isn't working anymore. Without that, I can't upload anything. I'm assuming whoever is in charge now disabled all the old users. That's pretty much the extent of my knowledge.
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Old 12-16-2007, 08:56 PM   #15
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> Yeah, it would...one of the reasons the site kind of 'died'
> I'm sure is because of this. Most of the staff were either
> MIA or not posting anything.

Well, it would be nice if all of you guys made some type of stand and tried to figure out a way to post and promote the site. Believe me, I honestly think that you guys could do it. Just have to figure out a way around some of the problems. Including SwampGas' statement about no access.



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Old 12-16-2007, 09:05 PM   #16
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> > words words words

Yes, that's right. All we have is words as so many of them are important. Especially when it comes to news, media and journalism.

> I'm so tired of these "Sam is keeping ZD down" threads. If
you dislike him so much and want a great emulation site like
the ZD of old, why don't you create your own site?
Seriously, webspace and domains are cheap and content
management software is free and easy to use.

Actually, I don't recall once saying that I specificly dislike or hate SwampGas. I have stated that SwampGas was not doing his job according to all appearances and lack of material being posted on this site, in a lot more words, sure.

Why should another site be created when you already have a site right here. All the resources that you need are at your disposal. All you guys need to do is figure out how to solve some of the problems. Such as access to the FTP, site updater and the like.

> ZD is dead. Stop talking about a revival and move on,
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I can't believe that you are willing to accept that ZD is dead. I can't raise your spirits or anyone elses if you're unwilling to beleive that something can be done.


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Old 12-16-2007, 09:05 PM   #17
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> Well, it would be nice if all of you guys made some type of
> stand and tried to figure out a way to post and promote the
> site. Believe me, I honestly think that you guys could do
> it. Just have to figure out a way around some of the
> problems. Including SwampGas' statement about no access.

I don't think you quite understand. No one who posts on these forums (as far as I know) has access to do anything with the site. We don't have SFTP access to upload or modify anything, and the old news system is defunct.

If you're interested in helping out with some new version of the site, I suggest you try to make contact with the new owner(s) and go from there.

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Old 12-16-2007, 09:50 PM   #18
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> Why should another site be created when you already have a
> site right here. All the resources that you need are at your
> disposal. All you guys need to do is figure out how to solve
> some of the problems. Such as access to the FTP, site
> updater and the like.

Because the site is stuck in 1992. ZD is a bunch of static html pages (as far as I can tell). You need a new website here. You need a new staffing engine, a new way to dynamically list and sort and search for emulators/docs/etc, and a new way to submit/process/post news. If all you do is try to "fix" ZD, you'll end up running into the same exact situation we're in now.

You aren't going to ever "fix" ZD. If you do anything, it'll be creating a new site, naming it ZD, and taking all of its traffic along with it.

And that, of course, is what everyone is after: site traffic. Nobody wants to make their own emulation site and have to deal with it possibly being a failure or having to stick with it while you're still slowly gaining members. Every time I see these threads, all I see is someone saying "give me the zophar.net domain". Sam clearly has no desire to ever give up the domain (and that's assuming he even truly owns it). These sort of requests always fall on deaf ears.

Honestly, if not to inherit the site traffic, what is the motivation? Why do you want to bring back ZD when you could just make the next ZD?

I can understand the nostalgia factor and not wanting to see such a great site fall into (further) disarray, but, in ZD's case, you're way too late.

If you're looking for something along the lines of the old "scene", just make another site. If you give them a place to gather, they will come. You don't need a big ZD logo at the top of the site for them to realize what's going on.

Really now. There have been so many posts just like yours and the only thing holding them back is the fact that they can't take control of the zophar.net domain and traffic. You. Don't. Need. Them. Gather up your like-minded idealists and just do it. You don't need ZD to have what ZD used to be.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:51 AM   #19
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> Also, if you don't have access to the site. Who does have
> access to it?

Somebody changed the layout recently.

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Old 12-17-2007, 04:42 PM   #20
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> My SFTP access isn't working anymore. Without that, I can't
> upload anything. I'm assuming whoever is in charge now
> disabled all the old users. That's pretty much the extent
> of my knowledge.

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