Newb Question

Rezin · 08-04-2005, 06:33 PM

I was wondering how to edit text on a SNES rom. It's easy on NES, because all I need is Nesticle and WindHex, but I don't know where to start on SNES.

Blade556 · 08-04-2005, 07:08 PM

Get Thingy32 and make an SNES table file. It's real simple <img src=smilies/eek13.gif>

Rezin · 08-04-2005, 07:15 PM

> Get Thingy32 and make an SNES table file. It's real simple
>

That's the thing, I can't make a SNES table file, because I don't know the pattern table. With NES, I could just press F2 in Nesticle and boom.

king killa · 08-04-2005, 07:26 PM

> I was wondering how to edit text on a SNES rom. It's easy on
> NES, because all I need is Nesticle and WindHex, but I don't
> know where to start on SNES.
>

just think of it as a cryptogram. <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

Ugly Joe · 08-04-2005, 08:16 PM

> That's the thing, I can't make a SNES table file, because I
> don't know the pattern table. With NES, I could just press
> F2 in Nesticle and boom.

Ick, don't use Nesticle. Use fceuxd instead, it has a pattern viewer (F2 in Nesticle) and lots more features, plus the added feature of not being horribly outdated.

More to the point, look up Relative Searching and use that to make your table.

Rezin · 08-04-2005, 09:29 PM

> More to the point, look up Relative Searching and use that
> to make your table.

Alright, so I got a relative Searcher, tried it out on Harvest Moon, and Chrono Trigger...to no avail

So i tried it out on a nes rom, and of course it worked.

MooglyGuy · 08-04-2005, 09:38 PM

> Alright, so I got a relative Searcher, tried it out on
> Harvest Moon, and Chrono Trigger...to no avail

That's because Chrono Trigger's text is compressed, smart guy.

Ugly Joe · 08-04-2005, 09:53 PM

> That's because Chrono Trigger's text is compressed, smart
> guy.

Indeed. Stay away from anything Square until you have more experience with SNES rom hacking.

In a general sense, though, there is a major difference between nes and snes relative searching because most snes games will use two bytes for a character instead of just one byte (due to all them pretty kanjis). Unless the relative searcher is doing it automatically, you'll need to add wildcards between each character in your search query to handle that other byte.

For example, in an NES game, the word "cab" might be:
0x030102

For an SNES game, it would look more like:
0x800380018002

You need to use the wildcards so that the searcher will ignore the "80"s that are between each byte. Just make sure you don't ignore them when you make the table (that is, 01=a is incorrect and 8001=a is correct).

Rezin · 08-04-2005, 10:21 PM

> You need to use the wildcards so that the searcher will
> ignore the "80"s that are between each byte. Just make sure
> you don't ignore them when you make the table (that is, 01=a
> is incorrect and 8001=a is correct).

..this is where I give up, forget the whole experience, and go back to PLAYING the damn games.

Audigy · 08-04-2005, 10:30 PM

> ..this is where I give up, forget the whole experience, and
> go back to PLAYING the damn games.
>

wow, you give up quickly... we're not even explaining the hard stuff yet. relative searching and double-byte characters is easy.