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Old 11-14-2005, 07:45 AM   #1
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Default Seiken Densetsu 3 title hack?

I had seen a version of the Seiken Densetsu 3 rom that had "Secret of Mana 2" as the title. I hunted and hunted and finally found out that particular title screen is only in the german patch. I got bored, sat around with Photoshop and made some title screens that I think would look better than the current. But I've only PLAYED emu's. I haven't got a single clue how to replace the title image with my own images. I know you folks are probably very busy, but is it possible to make a title screen hack for SD3? The rom I have is the 1.01 english vers by Niel.

http://cmorrow.photosite.com/~photos...1957705889.jpg
http://cmorrow.photosite.com/~photos...1957679481.jpg

Please excuse the small, crappy images.
Photosite is the only image hosting thing I have.
If you think you can use these in a hack,
mail me at blaze.fox.kitsune[at]gmail.com
I have the PSD's as well as larger BMP's.

C:Serverxampphtdocszopharoldwwwthrea... 2 (3.556).BMP
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Old 11-14-2005, 08:31 PM   #2
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Default Re: Seiken Densetsu 3 title hack?

The two links to the JPGs are not working.

It'd be neat to get a 'proper' title screen for Seiken Densetsu 3.
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Old 11-15-2005, 12:18 AM   #3
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Default I made two designs, one romaji/one english.

Sorry, I deleted the images in my Photosite to replace them with one I had recently edited to have the cloud background which I linked in another forum, not realizing it would delete the previous images I had linked to here. And yes, it would be nice to have a better looking title screen, but I don't know how to hack the new title into a rom-patch, I thought maybe someone here might know how to do that, if so, mail me.

Or grab the archive at the bottom and rename to "SD3-SoM2 Screens.rar"
For some reason, the board keeps changing the extension to ".php"

blaze.fox.kitsune[at]gmail.com I have the Photoshop version of these with removable layers.
I used the "Ultima" font for the game title, and the Final Fantasy font to make the Squaresoft logo.
And here's where I got fonts. http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Games/Games-Fonts.html

http://cmorrow.photosite.com/~photos...1995909667.jpg
http://cmorrow.photosite.com/~photos...1995968251.jpg

> The two links to the JPGs are not working.
> It'd be neat to get a 'proper' title screen for Seiken
> Densetsu 3.
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C:Serverxampphtdocszopharoldwwwthrea... PSD's.rar
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Old 11-15-2005, 02:32 AM   #4
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> It'd be neat to get a 'proper' title screen for Seiken
> Densetsu 3.
>

You're shitting me...

You mean that the gorgeous English font title that Neill painstakingly and skillfully created is not proper?

The title of the game is Seiken Densetsu 3, not Secret of Mana 2. :\

Don't fix what's not broken. I don't think it's worth it. :\
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Old 11-15-2005, 03:57 AM   #5
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Default Its not my intent to start a war.

I didn't plan on starting a war.
I just asked if it could be done.

To each there own, sir. That's why I made TWO proposed title screens: One with the romaji title for the purists, and another with what would've been the US title, had Sd3 been released here. If wanting to change something in a rom is a huge sin, then I guess you should stone the nice girl who made that class sprite color patch.

Or maybe you could violently thrust rusty pitch-forks up the rectums of those bored, curious folks who decided to english dub all the japanese audio dialogue, spells and attacks in the Tales of Phantasia SNES rom?

Maybe I'm a dumb gaijin, but saying that Sd3 isn't part of the Mana franchise is like saying Episode 3 isn't part of Star Wars. And if that's the case, maybe all the SoM-related games way back to Final Fantasy Adventure to Sword of Mana should be renamed to Holy Sword [#]? Or maybe you should just play games with kanji only?

http://cmorrow.photosite.com/~photos...1995909667.jpg
See, look... romaji, and a pretty font.
Almost kinda looks like the font from SoM1

> You're shitting me...
> You mean that the gorgeous English font title that Neill
> painstakingly and skillfully created is not proper?
> The title of the game is Seiken Densetsu 3
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Old 11-15-2005, 04:09 AM   #6
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Nah, I thought the palette improvement patch was awesome.

I just think that the original title screen is awesome too.

<img src=http://images.oddigytitanium.com/sd3-neill.gif>

Just an opinion, not trying to start a war. Kudos to you for your work, even if it's just reinventing the wheel.

Edit: Wait, you didn't do any work. You just dicked around in Photoshop for a while. Nevermind.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Audigy on 11/15/05 12:21 AM.</FONT></P>
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Old 11-15-2005, 04:18 AM   #7
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I think the point is that Neill's title screen is beautiful enough as it is, and I tend to agree. While it doesn't necessarily conform to the fluid style of the other titles of the other English Mana games, it matches perfectly with the style of the original Japanese SD3's title screen. There's no real reason to change its style. The point was to produce an accurate representation of the Japanese game in English and the current title does that exquisitely.

There's also the point that Seiken Densetsu 3 is -not- Secret of Mana 2. I personally agree with this, analytically-speaking the "3" is relevant to a good number of factors in the game. While it wouldn't necessarily hurt -that- much if it were removed, it's a subtle nudge in a particular subconscious direction, and that would be lost if it were changed to something else. It's not a matter of purity or prefering the romaji to English; I'm generally all in favor of changing title screens to make more sense in the target language I'm hacking to (which is almost exclusively English.) But as the 3 in SD3 has deeper meaning, and it's a "3", not a "2"
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Old 11-15-2005, 04:35 AM   #8
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*sigh* If no one else is willing, I guess I'll just hafta learn myself. But, I'm a total n00b at such things. I get migranes from hex-editing saves. For me, its not even a matter of having it say "Secret of Mana 2" I just don't like the way the current font looks on my TV. Hell, I made another one that has the romaji title... >__<

http://cmorrow.photosite.com/~photos...1995909667.jpg
I can be just as much of a bitchy, elitist japan-o-phile over stuff as anyone else, like the horrible english dub of Naruto on Cartoon Network that lacks the j-pop intros, or the fact Jakotsu in Inuyasha sounds like a chick even though he's supposed to be a guy. But this? It doesn't upset me. Its just a title screen, and I doubt a title screen hack, color pallete hack, or english audio hack is going to single-handedly destroy your community.

> I think the point is that Neill's title screen is beautiful
> There's no real reason to change its style.
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Old 11-15-2005, 04:39 AM   #9
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> Hell, I made
> another one that has the romaji title... >__<

Straight black is a poor choice. Parts of the letters are lost on the dark parts of the clouds. This will look even worse with the clouds moving.
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Old 11-15-2005, 04:41 AM   #10
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Default Re: Response to Audigy.

> I'm generally all in favor of changing title screens to make more sense in the
> target language I'm hacking to (which is almost exclusively
> English.)

If you wanted to it to be more towards the english audience then do a title screen that says: "Legend of the Holy Sword". Just my 2 cents.

> But as the 3 in SD3 has deeper meaning, and it's a
> "3", not a "2"

Agreed. The original Seiken Densetsu was *cough*Final Fantasy Adventure*cough* and "Secret of Mana" was obviously "Seiken Densetsu 2". And thus you can't call SD3 SoM2 because that just doesn't make sense in my eyes. There isn't and will never BE a SoM2 unless someone creates it by hacking. <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>
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