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Old 06-20-2004, 10:25 AM   #21
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*gavin agrees with danoz*

all i'm going to say about that...

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Old 06-21-2004, 02:57 AM   #22
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It's because people are stubborn. <img src=smilies/headshake.gif> Oh believe me, if it were plain and simple, then this wouldn't be an issue. But because people still teach hate and hold on to old traditions, racism, prejudgice, etc, they will exist. Once racism truely dies off, I will rejoice with all that I am. But I fear that day will be beyond my lifetime, sadly. <img src=smilies/banghead.gif> My apologies for sounding like the big downer.

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Old 06-21-2004, 05:46 AM   #23
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> Affirmative Action is racist in the way that it
> assumes black men and women are incapable of competing in
> this country without a “handicap”, and it also assumes bogus
> ideas of subconscious discrimination.

I've always thought this was ironic. Stamp out racism in one form by using racism in a different form. Really weird. :P

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Old 06-23-2004, 06:11 AM   #24
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Prejudice is everywhere, you can't escape it. You will be hard pressed to find a human being that isn't, in some way or another, prejudiced.
The main issue is that people fear and for the most part do not respect things they do not understand. Look at religion - people are afraid of death, they cannot explain it, it's impossible.
As a result, they will try to justify their life and afterlife in some way so they can live their lives without the shadow of death clouding their minds every second of their existance, effectively making them miserable.
A good example of prejudice happened to me a month back when I were discussing the "Rest States" from WoW in the PA forums, after much debate with a forumer and much "luring", I finaly got him to say what was evident was on his mind the whole time, he said;

"You're right. I don't respect 24/7 players one fucking tiny little bit. They have willingly entered into a crippling level of addiction and unsympathetic bastard that I am, I will poke fun at them"

This is classic, it explains exactly what I mean; he do not understand how anyone can sit in front of a computer and play games for 20 hours a day, so he do not respect it, and when he do not respect it, he is magically entitled to beat it down at every opportunity and treat it like it would be the choice of a depraved and inferior human being.
It is the exact same reasoning KKK has, and to find it from a seemingly intelligent poster of that magnitude (he had very good points earlier, even though I knew from the start he was an ass) should be enough to make people think and realize you will find prejudice and racism everywhere. I'm pretty sure few board members will be able to comprehend why anyone would play games 20 hours a day, but the least one can do is respect that it is their choice. This guy did not, and that, at least to me, makes him just as bad as a racist.

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Old 06-23-2004, 01:02 PM   #25
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> > Opportunities are now equally
> > distributed.
> (names changed but otherwise, it's allt true)
A smaller version of those scenes happens every day, everywhere. The problem is, no one does nothing about it. And everyone is at fault for that. If someone would do the swastika thing I would stop them on their tracks....and I'm Puerto Rican <img src=smilies/cwm11.gif>

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Old 06-26-2004, 11:03 PM   #26
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there is only one race of you people on your planet, human, and there are only two kinds, male and female. you are all individually different.

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Old 06-29-2004, 04:57 PM   #27
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That is a mediocre analogy or belief some things are destructive and not everything needs to be approved up just because adults choose to do it.

"You're right. I don't respect steroid users one fucking tiny little bit. They have willingly entered into a crippling level of addiction and unsympathetic bastard that I am, I will poke fun at them"

Not every negative statement is an act of prejudice. [url]http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?prejudice[/ul] Now by all technicality I don't think his statement is an uninformed one. I'm sure as a gamer he knows what playing video games consists of and it doesn't seem unreasonable to me as part of a group that he belongs to disrespect a subsection of that group. This isn't a soccer mom whining about how Doom made here darling go crazy and kill people. It's a gamer saying "I don't respect gamers who play 24/7". If I was an athelete who lead a normal life I wouldn't respect steroid users either.

Saying that attitude is similar to that of the KKK is ridiculous. The KKK are racists for fucks sake, they think it's some kind of conspiracy that minorities are stealing their jobs and corrupting their youth and that those races are genetically inferior.

It's apples and oranges, one belief system is insane, the other is just being an asshole. You can do a lot of things alright, but when you take one thing and put it in the forefront of your life where it dominates to such an extreme. It can be anything, drugs, works, video games, working out, watching TV. Looking down at people who can't practice a little moderation isn't prejudice. Half of those people don't have a real probably to fall back on, no gene to blame their habits on, they just lack discipline. If I can't say "look those morons have a problem" and you say "they're adults they can do whatever they fucking want" then I would say "then I can make fun of their stupid ass life choices".

I mean haven't you ever heard respect is earned? How much respect can you earn crushing mobs for 20hours a day?

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Old 06-29-2004, 05:10 PM   #28
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One of the problems is we look at the people in power, old white men. See you and I we're young we're raised to know that race doesn't matter. I don't hate groups but individuals piss me off. The people in power don't go around screaming how minorities are inferior, but people are set in there ways by a certain age and very few ever change. Those old white guys in power now 20 - 30 years ago were middle aged white guys in power. Things weren't so even then and those bastards got to be racist and so those programs got instituted because of their actions.

The problem is now that certain groups won't let our generation have a little peace on the matter. Because the last 2 generations are still in power and they still do crummy things. We stil have to suffer for it.

Maybe our grandchildren won't have to put up with it.

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Old 06-29-2004, 05:19 PM   #29
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My problem in my peace loving world is I would be too shocked to do anything immediately. So would a lot of other people.

I'm not a good one to talk about racial issues. But it's funny how color discrimination is so wrong, yet class discrimination is just as rampant and no one cares about that.

I went to a tiny school in Northern Michigan we didn't have any black students, but our school wasn't some great white united utopia.

If you looked at our lunch room, the geeks sat together, the jocks sat together, and the girls sat together, and each according to thier subgroups within.

I'm sure that Tyrone kid could have gone to another table with white kids and had been fine.

The other problem is you have to realize that the lunch room situation is two ways call it voluntary segregation or whatever. I'm not saying that it's right but I would be willing to bet that the reverse situation happens just as often "hey cracker don't you want to go sit with your own kind?".


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Old 06-29-2004, 05:31 PM   #30
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> Black racism against whites is usually caused by the
> ignorance by the white people. If everywhere a black guy
> goes, white people say, "Yo, what up, G-dog?" he will begin
> to dislike whites and their overwhelming ignorance of black
> culture.

WoW Bullshit, black racism is the fault of white people? While I'm sure it's true sometimes. Blacks can't be racists just because like whites or any other invidiual or group they are prone to being petty and small minded. Blacks certainly could never be racists because they were taught from birth white people were son of a bitches?

We could never hope to guess why racsist black people are racist, but I kind of doubt that white people annoy them into it. Because every white person condescends to their culture? Or is it just Jerry the dumbass? If a black guys get's all racist because some guy is a dumbass I'd say he was a shitty person to begin with.

There's no such thing as always or never in society. In society nothing always or never happens. Certainly some white people piss black people off because they act like morons, but most do not and if you start hating a group because of a few you're a dipshit.

And while I may be ignorant of urban culture, I'm not pissed at the urbanites (and just people in general) for being ignorant about my geek culture.

Hatred as a response to ignorance is pathetic and insulting to people who might have a legitimate bitch.

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