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Old 06-19-2004, 07:37 PM   #11
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Default Re: Well.

> > Black people are racist because of white people.

Why laugh? That's virtually what you said. Saying that black people are racist because white people are ignorant. There should be no racism on either side.


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Old 06-19-2004, 07:39 PM   #12
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> No. I said "black people" right out. I specifically
> designated the problems that a black youth would have
> growing up in a bad environment, and how he could try to
> break free from such stereotypes and be successful.

A white person would suffer those same stereotypes if he came from the same environment. The stereotypes are created by actions, not skin color. I don't look at a black person and automatically think up stereotypes.

> I was
> showing how the lives of the average black differ from the
> average white, and why even though we're all human, we are
> different. (For the record, I don't mean to imply that the
> average black person is a criminal. You know what I mean.)

Right, but you implied that the ones who are criminal have no choice.

> EXACTLY. That's exactly what counters your post that "all
> races are the same under the skin." We are not the same. And
> saying so isn't racist.

Nobody is the same, but race does not measure intellect or ability.

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Old 06-19-2004, 07:48 PM   #13
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> Saying that black people are racist because white people are ignorant.

Racism, like any prejudice, is derived from ignorance. Assuming all Japanese are good at math, or that all Egyptians wear "diapers on their heads" are examples of ignorant prejudices. If a racist person actually took the time to learn about other cultures/races, they may accept them and stop being bigoted.

> There should be no racism on either side.

There shouldn't. But you know why there is?

Because if some white guys are leaning on a truck one day putting down some beers, and one of them makes a racist joke, none of them are going to challenge it and say, "Gosh! You should take that back! Black people aren't like that at all! In fact, (statistic here)." Same probably goes the other way around. Even if someone isn't racist, they may laugh at a racist joke to fit in, and nothing is done.

I'm done with replying to you here, because while most people got the general idea of what I said, you didn't. You are picking this thing apart, and I'm not gonna sit here and continue to explain and defend such obvious and simple ideals.

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Old 06-19-2004, 08:29 PM   #14
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Default Re: Well.

You live up north, don't you?
Racism exists, it's very real and you're either blind or a fool if you can't see that.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.

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Old 06-19-2004, 08:33 PM   #15
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The point he made, actually pretty well, is OPPORTUNITY is the difference....
Yes, we're all different from different ethnic and racial backgrounds. But we all don't have the same chances.
Some have better chances due to the color of their skin.
And some don't.

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Old 06-19-2004, 08:35 PM   #16
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I could not have said it better myself. You rock.

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Old 06-19-2004, 10:55 PM   #17
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> Racism, like any prejudice, is derived from ignorance.
> Assuming all Japanese are good at math, or that all

That's not true! They can just make kick-ass robots that transform into cars when they're not needed. :P

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Old 06-19-2004, 11:21 PM   #18
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> Opportunities are now equally
> distributed.

(names changed but otherwise, it's allt true)

[BLACKS ARE SITTING ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROOM, WHITES ON ANOTHER, MEXICANS ARE JUST KIND OF MINGLED ABOUT]

[TYRONE, an atheltic looking black kid of about 18 years of age sits down to hand Katie, a white girl with colored hair a copy of A Beautiful Mind]

[Aaron and Joey, two white people with hair as short as the school alllows glare at him]

Tyrone: Here, I finally brought it back, good book.

Aaron: That seat is taken.

Joey: Don't you want to sit with your own kind?

Tyrone: (Unflinching) Look, if you want me out of here, I ain't leaving on my own, so you're gonna have to do something about it.

Joey: (glares)

[Tyrone sits silently while everyone eats lunch in a tense mood]

[5 minutes later, Tyrone gets up and leaves]

Scene 2:

[Joey is drawing a swastika on the cover of his yearbook with washable marker]

Aaron: No no no! You're doing it wrong! (Wipes off Joey's swastika with his hand)

Joey: Huh?

Aaron: It's like this: (Starts drawing large, more carefully-crafted swastika.)....you see, it's tilted at this angle....and then....perfecto!

Joey: Damn, that's pretty fucking good.

Aaron (holding yearbook with swastik aloft, shouting very loudly): I AM SUPERIOR!

[No one does anything]

Scene 3:

Joey: My dad got brain surgery the other day, they shaved his head for it and then they put huge metalstaples all across the top when they closed it.

Aaron: Holy shit, that's awesome.

Joey: Yeah, I told him that he's like the baddest-ass skinhead ever, I was like "Holy shit Dad, no niggers would even think about fucking with you if you have a bunch of huge fucking staples across your head."

Aaron: Hahahahahaha

Joey: Yeah, and the thing is, all he's been doing the last three days is screaming a lot and yelling about how much he hates niggers.

Aaron: Hahahahaha, are you for real.

Joey: Yeah, it's hilarious.

Scene 4:

[Almost all black people in the room stand up and start cheering and clapping their hands for seemingly no reason.]

Katie: (starts clapping her hands) Wooooo! I have no idea what's going on.

Melissa: Hey stop that! Don't be like them, you're better than them, be white, be proud!

Katie: (shrugs)

Joey: Yeah, I'm not fucking clapping to whatever stupid monkey shit they're going on about.

Scene 5:

[Two white kids start scuffling]

[Scuffle is broken up]

Scene 6:

[Two black kids start scuffling in roughly the same manner]

[Scuffle is broken up both students are hauled off and aren't seen for a few days]

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Old 06-20-2004, 03:21 AM   #19
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Default Re: Race.

Frosting over the cake, Danoz. If there is equal opportunity in every aspect, as you have said, then why does the state of Michigan have affirmative action? Why did the NFL throw in the rule that each team must interview at least one minority candidate? Simple, "because the situation is not equal." I love that quote. <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif> The playing field is not level, and it won't be at the rate we're going.

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Old 06-20-2004, 09:07 AM   #20
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What do you propose? I'm really trying to gain an answer to this question that certainly isn't affirmative action (or a stronger version of it). And what do you mean we aren't headed in the right direction? Racism dies down a little further with every passing year. It's things like affirmative action that twart that progress.

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