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Old 07-03-2004, 12:27 PM   #131
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Old 07-03-2004, 01:22 PM   #132
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> I'm being sort of tangential here; I'm not sure how
> thoroughly I agree with the argument I just presented, but
> it's an alternative, and it's probably pretty logically
> defensible.

Yeah, I can see where you're coming from, but voluntary segregation can be equally destructive. Look at the situation with Northern Ireland, for example, where you have Catholic and Protestant neighbourhoods and schools. Where segregation on that sort of scale occurs, the lack of contact with those from whom you're segregated fuels prejudice and intolerance. It's only through proximity that you can 'demystify' those of other races, religions, sexualities etc, and neutralise most of the ill-felling which stems from ignorance. While it's impossible to make people live together, we have to discourage them from living apart. Incidentally, and on another topic I won't say any more on for the moment, I'm all for the prohibition of faith-based shcools for that very reason.

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Old 07-03-2004, 06:37 PM   #133
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> Yeah, I can see where you're coming from, but voluntary
> segregation can be equally destructive. Look at the
> situation with Northern Ireland, for example, where you have
> Catholic and Protestant neighbourhoods and schools.

There, they're breaking the law. That isn't acceptable. I don't have an easy solution, but the situation is about as un-Christian as exists. The religious leaders on both sides must condemn it. The origins of the hatred are in part religious, so if religion can be worked with to solve a part of the problem, all the better. I understand that perhaps the fundamental issue is the fact the British control of N. Ireland, but the fewer reasons to fight, the better.

> It's only through proximity that you can 'demystify' those of other races, religions,
> sexualities etc, and neutralise most of the ill-felling
> which stems from ignorance. While it's impossible to make
> people live together, we have to discourage them from living
> apart.

The thing is, if someone finds a behaviour morally abhorrent (ie. most religions and homosexuality), proximity won't solve the problem. If we take the segregation idea to a greater extent and create actual legislative bodies in which the ("naturally" occurring) segregated groups exist, then the leaders of the bodies may be able to work together better than the general populace. There are places where my idea won't work. However, I think that compared to enforcing non-discrimination, the two systems may work out to be equally flawed in the end.

> Incidentally, and on another topic I won't say any
> more on for the moment, I'm all for the prohibition of
> faith-based shcools for that very reason.

Good Christian schools should teach the children to go out, make friends and contacts in the non-Christian world, and allow the way you live your life to show Jesus' love and the truth of Christianity. Whether or not you say more, this is a tenet of Christianity that Christian schools should be instilling. If they're not, they're failing in their indoctrination.


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Old 07-07-2004, 05:11 PM   #134
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> I understand that perhaps the fundamental issue is the fact
> the British control of N. Ireland, but the fewer reasons to fight, the
> better.

You're right that the church is in this situation best positioned to deal with the conflict, but unfortunately there's no such body in many other situations. Incidentally, as I understand it the majority of the NI population is Unionist (ie pro-British rule/occupation), though it's near impossible to get any accurate information on the political situation there, being as polarised as it is.

> If we take the segregation idea to a greater extent and create
> actual legislative bodies in which the ("naturally" occurring)
> segregated groups exist, then the leaders of the bodies may be
> able to work together better than the general populace.

I have to admit that I'm rather sceptical about this. The only example of it I can think of are the efforts to establish a Volkstaat in South Africa, and the very idea of a new Afrikaner state of this nature fills me with dread. Having said that, if you have an example of an occasion where this has worked, I'm all ears.

> Good Christian schools should teach the children to go out,
> make friends and contacts in the non-Christian world, and
> allow the way you live your life to show Jesus' love and the
> truth of Christianity.

Perhaps this is true, but to be honest in my experience (in Scotland) the presence of faith schools tends to prove divisive more than anything else. Rivalry between neighbouring schools is one thing (and an absolutely normal thing at that), but when your rivals have a single, unifying, characteristic diametrically opposed to your own, such as Catholic as opposed to Protestant, that tends to inflame prejudice. Again, though, I'd stand to be happily corrected if in your experience segregation of any sort has quelled any kind of societal tension.

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Old 07-07-2004, 05:19 PM   #135
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> I have to admit that I'm rather sceptical about this. The only
> example of it I can think of are the efforts to establish a Volkstaat
> in South Africa, and the very idea of a new Afrikaner state of this
> nature fills me with dread. Having said that, if you have an
> example of an occasion where this has worked, I'm all ears.

Wait... Canada already kind of does this, doesn't it? Does it work well for you guys? Having said that, I don't suppose the Anglo-French divide isn't quite the same as the racial one.

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Old 05-17-2006, 09:59 PM   #136
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Old 05-17-2006, 11:34 PM   #137
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Old 05-18-2006, 12:19 AM   #138
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Old 05-18-2006, 12:29 AM   #139
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I'm locking this. Jesus.
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