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Old 12-01-2005, 04:02 PM   #31
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> As for the law (which is equally dungworthy); it's the
> parents responsibility, not the president, not the
> government, not the clerks and god damnit not the video game
> industry.

The argument being made is that this law *makes* it the parents' responsibility, which I'm becoming more and more in favor of. You seem to agree with this principle, too, why not make it law?
Though children could still have an older friend or relative procure the game on their behalf...
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Old 12-01-2005, 04:20 PM   #32
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The argument being made is that this law *makes* it the
parents' responsibility, which I'm becoming more and more in
favor of. You seem to agree with this principle, too, why
not make it law?
Though children could still have an older friend or relative
procure the game on their behalf...


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Oh the law should be made, no problem. I just hate the whole scenario and that such ridiculous laws are required, there's too many parents who can't be bothered to check what their children are doing and what their allowance is spent on.
What I strongly disagree with, however, is the effect such games have on children. There is of course a limit--- 6 year olds haven't gotten a firm grasp on this reality yet so multiple worlds only makes things fuzzy. Even so, it still only means that the parents needs to pay close attention and re-establish what is appropriate and what is not, what is real and what is not.
It only becomes a problem if left alone, and even then it's quite arguable, and the blame lay with the parents. I hope no one ever told them it'd be easy.
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Old 12-01-2005, 05:10 PM   #33
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Default Re: OMG won't someone think of the children!!!1/1!eone

> Yeah, but not the friggin government.

If crimes are commited in cities because of the games, because some idiots can't understand the difference between a game and the reality, then yes, the gov have to do something.
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Old 12-01-2005, 05:24 PM   #34
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> No, he won't, and they aren't real people nor real places,
> it's part of a video game.

When it gets so realistic, it makes kids think "Hey, I can do that too". How can you be so naive about this?

> What you fail to grasp is that there aren't such absolutes,
> and if one such game is enough to sway Bobby Pantsless that
> much, Bobby was already sufficiently demented in the first
> place that it would hardly have made a difference. He would
> probably have been disillusioned by the candy machine
> outside Walmart.

Man...Are you retarded? The candy machine outside walmart isn't suggesting a way of life that seems acceptable through a video game. No kid reads the disclaimer, they just want to play the game. Then they see how Tommy from GTA 3 is ridin up and down the street on his bike and doesn't get in shit for it until a cop sees him and starts chasing him. Then, when Tommy gets caught, he "Dies" and starts over from nothing. And that gives kids a bad influence, not only towards behaviour, but towards police as well.

> I'm not the one at a loss here, junior.

You need an attitude adjustment and to lift your head out of your ass. It's not the governments fault, but when parents aren't doing anything, it's time to step in, especially when it can breed bad behaviour.
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Old 12-01-2005, 05:58 PM   #35
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> After all, your ivy-league
> education should make you more apt to give us one of your
> nicely well-worded, unfallacious and magnificent arguments,
> shouldn't it? You know, since you're better than everyone
> else and all.

I think you're confused. It's not that I'm better than everyone else, it's that everyone else is better than you.
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Old 12-01-2005, 07:38 PM   #36
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When it gets so realistic, it makes kids think "Hey, I can
do that too". How can you be so naive about this?


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How can you be so cliché?
I realize you are searching for an easy solution to why things happen like they do, but video games are hardly the thing to blame.
It's just not that simple.

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Man...Are you retarded? The candy machine outside walmart
isn't suggesting a way of life that seems acceptable through
a video game. No kid reads the disclaimer, they just want
to play the game. Then they see how Tommy from GTA 3 is
ridin up and down the street on his bike and doesn't get in
shit for it until a cop sees him and starts chasing him.
Then, when Tommy gets caught, he "Dies" and starts over from
nothing. And that gives kids a bad influence, not only
towards behaviour, but towards police as well.


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The candy machine with its vibrant colors could provoke a nutjob into a murdering frenzy you know, shouldn't downplay those awful deathtraps.

You really don't understand that if you let a video game influence you to the point where you base your moral values (or lack thereof) and actions upon it...that something might be wrong from the get-go?

Fucked up kid > ends up in a fight and kills someone > jail > misery.
Fucked up kid > plays violent video game > kills your bonzibuddy.
Fucked up kid > fucked up parents > rampages through the streets with sunglasses and a glock proclaiming, "I'm teh one!!1!one".
Fucked up kid > family dies > candy machine > pillages and plunders a cruise-ship.

Normal kid > superb parents > plays violent video game > wins a tekken tourney > 5-6 digit job.
Normal kid > parents who don't care > plays violent video game > writes goth emo poems and dresses in black.
Normal kid > fucked up parents > raped through the pants by Bobo Bobobo the clown > family blown up by Murdock from MacGyver > plays violent video game > starts working in telemarketing.

Until you show me an extensive psychological study that proves how normal kids will turn into murdering basketcases frothing at the cheeks and raping teddybears from playing too much God of War, I'm going to keep on proclaiming it's miniscule effects.

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You need an attitude adjustment and to lift your head out of
your ass. It's not the governments fault, but when parents
aren't doing anything, it's time to step in, especially when
it can breed bad behaviour.


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Eh, dude, you can go fuck yourself and your aunt with that "Do you understand now?". Condescending behavior only means the gloves comes off and I don't care if you get insulted any more.
What you need to do doesn't involve anatomically impossibilities, no, you need to be beaten with a clue stick until you open your eyes and realize that it's not so hard to seperate this reality from another even for an 11-year-old.
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Old 12-01-2005, 08:10 PM   #37
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> I think you're confused. It's not that I'm better than
> everyone else, it's that everyone else is better than you.

That's a matter of opinion. So are you going to present a well-worded, non-fallacious argument on the subject of this thread, or did you just pop in to tell me off?
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Old 12-01-2005, 09:17 PM   #38
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> That's a matter of opinion. So are you going to present a
> well-worded, non-fallacious argument on the subject of this
> thread, or did you just pop in to tell me off?

I was going to ask you the same question. Take a more careful look at the username of the person I first responded to. Note that it doesn't have "Moogle" in it.
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Old 12-01-2005, 09:59 PM   #39
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> I was going to ask you the same question. Take a more
> careful look at the username of the person I first responded
> to. Note that it doesn't have "Moogle" in it.

Yeah, but you said "fight fallacy with fallacy", so I thought you were referring to my own points as well as VHDs. Don't worry, I still love you, toots. <img src=smilies/liefde.gif>
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Old 12-01-2005, 10:01 PM   #40
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> Yeah, but you said "fight fallacy with fallacy", so I
> thought you were referring to my own points as well as VHDs.
> Don't worry, I still love you, toots.

Psh, dream on. Give me a call when you get into Harvard. <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>
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