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Old 02-13-2006, 07:24 AM   #71
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> First off, it's not MY CSS file. It's a CSS file I've been
> editing, based on a default template that came with a
> pre-packaged download engine.
> I can't stress this enough.

I see. Well still I think it could be simplified a bit more, but like I said I could be wrong. I'm not an expert on this.

> I also can't stress enough that these templates link to ONE
> CSS file, and it's not even a particularly large one. And,
> the majority of the site layout is done in colors, rather
> than graphics. Meaning, the bandwidth use would actually be
> fairly low.

yeah, I noticed that too. I mean thre isn't a large graphic anymore. It's been replaced by a relatively small banner 12 KB as opposed to 16 KB which is good.

> I'm not sure what "source" you're viewing. The scripts are
> PHP, and you're viewing rendered HTML.

oh yeah... heh. Like I said I'm no expert on this.
still the "titles" could be removed, right? and I'm pretty sure that some tweaks to the PHP scripts will yeild smaller output

> I could strip out the CSS file, and I could strip out the default template.
> There's a lot of customization that can be had.

leave the CSS script in there. custom style sheets are sexy

> And wait - "A new site redesign would increase bandwidth
> whether we like it or not"? What are you saying here?

well you know, adding a few things here, adding a few things there, that sort of thing. I think what made the old design so nice was that it was simple, both in design and code. Sure it's outdated, but it works. I believe that all swampgas wants are 3 important things

1. that it's small and won't consume bandwidth
2. that the design is clean and easy to follow
3. and that everything is 100% functional.

That's it. I could be wrong though, but that's what I'm feeling from him *shrugs*
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Old 02-13-2006, 11:29 AM   #72
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> Here's my concept.
> http://www.zophar.net/zd-concept/
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Looks great, but I liked the PD logo more <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>
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Old 02-15-2006, 11:41 AM   #73
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> oh yeah... heh. Like I said I'm no expert on this.
> still the "titles" could be removed, right? and I'm pretty
> sure that some tweaks to the PHP scripts will yeild smaller
> output

The alt field in img tags is *required* for XHTML compliance, however alt doesn't behave in Firefox the way it does in IE (more specisifcally: alt behaves properly in Firefox), hence to get the layout to behave the same in both browsers and give all site visitors the same experience, title is required for Firefox.

also, a few hundred extra bytes of text would be negligible unless the user were running on 2400 baud modem. Clearly such a person should punched in the face. With a combat knife.

...That would really be more of stab, wouldn't it?
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Old 02-15-2006, 09:52 PM   #74
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This arguement is quite silly. I've been in a similar situation before. This I what you do. You take the people that DO want to work on the site and go start a NEW, GOOD, site. Screw Sam, and HIS whining and reluctance to lift a finger on ZD and screw YOUR whining about him not doing it and start a new site to replace it!

Get a few people together and it's really NOT that hard to recreate databases and archives. I did it for ROMhacking.net. The emulator database IS bigger than my archives, but if you allow a good number of people to help, you can have the archive rebuilt in no time.

Also, take it from me, any new site of larger magnitude in a fickle community such as this is going to have to have user selectibility for themes. It doesn't matter WHAT theme you come up with, people will hate it. So, you provide themes selectability and tell people make their own.

So there go. Quit wasting your time argueing here and start working on a new site. Start writing some scripts and setting up your database. Put feelers out for anybody interested in hosting such site or look into hosting options yourself.

Whatever you do.. just start doing it. And start showing people results, and more people will join you and befor e you know it, you HAVE yourself a site. People respect people that are DOING things more than just talking about them.

Put your heads together,come up with features you want to will make this site BETTER than ZD. What is wrong with ZD? Why did it die? You best make sure you try to address those issues with a new site. Try to do something different and better.

You can also improve upon the GOOD things ZD has. The carry on in it's honor.
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Old 02-15-2006, 10:02 PM   #75
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Its been done.
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Old 02-15-2006, 10:32 PM   #76
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Old 02-15-2006, 10:58 PM   #77
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> You take the people that DO want to work on the site and go
> start a NEW, GOOD, site. Screw Sam, and HIS whining and
> reluctance to lift a finger on ZD and screw YOUR whining
> about him not doing it and start a new site to replace it!

Viva la revolution!

It's the first thing I thought of when I read that.
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Old 02-16-2006, 04:51 AM   #78
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> The alt field in img tags is *required* for XHTML
> compliance, however alt doesn't behave in Firefox the way it
> does in IE (more specisifcally: alt behaves properly in
> Firefox), hence to get the layout to behave the same in both
> browsers and give all site visitors the same experience,
> title is required for Firefox.

Interesting, but I never mentioned alt titles in images though.
I was referring to the titles in the links on the left menu (hover your mouse over them and you'll see what I mean). It's not even consistant. The links on the top don't have them.

> also, a few hundred extra bytes of text would be negligible
> unless the user were running on 2400 baud modem. Clearly
> such a person should punched in the face. With a combat
> knife.

The loading times weren't the issue. I'm talking about bandwidth here. I'm pretty sure that the cost for running this site comes out of Swampgas' pocket. The more bloated the site is, the more bandwidth it's going to comsume, thus the more money Swampgas is going to have to fork out to keep the site going. It is in his (Swampgas) best intrest to keep the site bandwidth to a minimum, which is probably why he mentioned google, yahoo, etc. when it comes to good website design.

I dunno, that's just how I see it. I could be wrong though.
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Old 02-16-2006, 07:10 AM   #79
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It is in his (Swampgas) best intrest to keep the site bandwidth to a minimum, which is probably why he mentioned google, yahoo, etc. when it comes to good website design.

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Google has good page design? The main page is a whitesheet background, one image, one edit (input) field, two buttons, and the copyright on the bottom.

Yahoo (taking forever to load) has a fuckton of links to its own shit, a whitesheet background, and the whole color scheme is pretty pastel, with links and content all over the place (which is why it takes forever for the page to load).

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Old 02-16-2006, 07:16 AM   #80
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> All in all, I don't even remember what my point is anymore.

Yahoo sucks and Google wins by default?
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