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Old 07-30-2004, 05:01 PM   #1
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Default Time for a new computer?

Current setup:

1.7 gig Intel processor
512 RAM
64 MB GeForce 2 (My 128 GF4 has a bad fan which I haven't had repaired yet... Too lazy to mail it to the company)
36 gig HD
2 USB ports (I want MORE!) <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

Another thing I'm looking for is a soundcard that supports digital input (SPDIF cable to connect) for my midi canvas.

I'm thinking about it anyways. A lot of the specs I've got could easily be doubled. I don't really want an incredibly high end machine from someplace like Alienware, but I'm also not the basic user who only uses a computer for e-mail. I play some games, although nothing incredibly new. Warcraft 3 is about the newest game I play. UT2003 I have, but don't play very often.

What do you think folks? Is it time?

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Old 07-30-2004, 05:18 PM   #2
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shouldnt this be in tech talk?

anyways, your proc and ram seem decent enough.
minor upgrades seem like the way to go
radeon 9600xt
pci usb card
mayhap another 40gb
sb audigy

thatll probably run you like 400-500 off the top of my head, but itll be a decent improvement.

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Old 07-31-2004, 12:17 AM   #3
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uh....what type of "intel" processor...that's a bit vague....and what type of mobo? What speed mem and Hd?

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Old 07-31-2004, 04:08 AM   #4
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> uh....what type of "intel" processor...that's a bit
> vague....and what type of mobo?
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I believe the HT enabled Pentium 4's come in speeds as low as 2.4 or 2.6, and they're relatively cheap, so I'd go for something like a 2.6 HT Pentium 4, get a good heatsink and fan, and overclock it. I'm not an Intel guy, so I can't recommend a motherboard however.

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Old 07-31-2004, 11:58 PM   #5
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IceNine0's Law

No matter how many more FPS, pixels on screen, and polygons per character, your games are not going to be any more fun. Keep this in mind whilst upgrading, and you'll do well.

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Old 08-01-2004, 05:30 AM   #6
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> IceNine0's Law
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> No matter how many more FPS, pixels on screen, and polygons
> per character, your games are not going to be any more fun.
> Keep this in mind whilst upgrading, and you'll do well.
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Yeah, but if you have an increase from 2 fps to at least 36 fps in x game, then it surely would be funnier to play :P

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Old 08-01-2004, 04:57 PM   #7
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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>

Current setup:
1.7 gig Intel processor
512 RAM
64 MB GeForce 2 (My 128 GF4 has a bad fan which I haven't
had repaired yet... Too lazy to mail it to the company)
36 gig HD
2 USB ports (I want MORE!)

What do you think folks? Is it time?

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If you want to be somewhere in the middle of the line (between hardcore gamer and someone who checks his e-mail), I'd say you should probably invest in a Radeon 9800 pro or XT and you are good to go, anything above that is for the hardcore gamers or rich people. =)
Your processor will be a slight bottleneck in some games, but the Radeon will make up for it.

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IceNine0's Law

No matter how many more FPS, pixels on screen, and polygons
per character, your games are not going to be any more fun.
Keep this in mind whilst upgrading, and you'll do well.

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I don't agree with your law, the best possible video\audio experience helps a lot in determining the overall feel of a game, run Doom III on a machine that can't really have the shadows and bump mapping enabled without shrinking down to <20 fps and your experience will be much less fun. =)

On another note, an hour ago I just ordered:

Asus Radeon X800XT 256MB DDR3
Asus K8N-E DELUXE Mainboard Socket 754
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.2 GHz
Corsair XMS4000 DDR-DIMM 512MB PC4000 (500mhz)

I just felt like sharing, it's the first time ever I'm not trying to do a minor upgrade, I just saw the HL2 demo preview and the Doom III trailer and I felt it really is time for an upgrade.
I won't tell you how much it cost, because Norwegian prices will probably cause a few heart attacks among forum members and I don't want to be held responsible for that.
I am going to get more RAM when I buy the rest of the pieces in the future so I can have a second computer (two boxing in World of Warcraft, here I come).
For now, however, this will do just fine.

(or at least I surely hope so)

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Old 08-01-2004, 05:28 PM   #8
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> I don't agree with your law, the best possible video\audio
> experience helps a lot in determining the overall feel of a
> game.

A study cited at E3 found that, while graphics are tremendously helpful in initially immersing someone in a game, they cease to matter after about 20 minutes -- at the point where players became fully preoccupied with interaction.

Think of Tetris, for example. Regardless of how many jazzed up 3D blocks or particle effects, your mind is eventually going to be solely on lining those blocks up and watching them disappear. This is why it can be as fun on a calculator as in DirectX 9.

So, basically, if you find a game fun, you're finding the gameplay fun. The graphics were already good enough to get you past the critical immersion point, and, regardless of upgrades, the gameplay will remain consistent.

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Old 08-01-2004, 05:57 PM   #9
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The new 9800 pro's come with the R360 core (essentially making them the same as an XT) just use radlink or any other ocing program and save yourself say...'bout 200 bucks... : )

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Old 08-01-2004, 06:18 PM   #10
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graphics can effect gameplay though...such as that 2fps that Alevice was talking about, that's bound to have you acidentally jumping off cliffs and running into enemies....which is no fun...believe me I've tried it, it's no fun.

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