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Old 06-11-2009, 11:07 PM   #51
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I wonder why they're down right now, too...
Because of the vulnerability in HyperVM that resulted in over 100,000 sites being completely wiped out. (A vulnerability so bad that the creator of the software actually committed suicide as a result of all the damage.)

According to a thread on NC's personal forum, the site should be online again this weekend, albeit only current as of April 5th which was the last time anybody bothered to back it up. (But apparently, Neil is in the process of combing through Google's cache of the site, keeping track of updates that were made after April 5th so that they can be readded manually.
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Old 06-12-2009, 01:36 AM   #52
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Because of the vulnerability in HyperVM that resulted in over 100,000 sites being completely wiped out. (A vulnerability so bad that the creator of the software actually committed suicide as a result of all the damage.)
I can't imagine the vulnerability helped (perhaps it was the straw that broke the camel's back) but it sounds like he was troubled well before the vulnerability was exploited. (As an aside, is it just me being stuffy, or does it sound kind of oddly crude to slangily refer to an accomplished software company owner merely as some "techie" in the headline of an article delivering the news of his death?)
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Old 06-12-2009, 01:53 AM   #53
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I know it's off-topic, but I've always been curious why Romhacking.net had so much drama. The closure of the CE threads was an example of this ridiculous locking going on, but I'm pretty sure they already don't like the Compendium over there because of the Chrono Trigger Retranslation. I wonder why they're down right now, too...

Well, I'm glad my old Zophar account is still working. These forums look great.
O_o! Nice to have you Zeality. This is kind of a weird surprise. I was just watching some more of the gameplay videos and thinking about the hack, and *poof*. :P
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Old 06-12-2009, 02:43 AM   #54
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O_o! Nice to have you Zeality.
Indeed. As you can see, we're bummed about the way things turned out.
Which I imagine can't compare to how frustrated you and all the people who worked on it must feel.

Even though fate (well, a legal department, anyway) intervened and didn't allow it to come to full fruition as a completed hack, thank you and the rest of CC/KL for the effort.
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Old 06-12-2009, 06:33 AM   #55
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We're just happy to have the videos rolling. Seeing the feedback has given us enough of a sense of accomplishment that we don't feel mortally embittered or anything...

I've been curious though; what's the state of the ROM hacking community? I remember people at RHDN saying everything was in some sort of slow decline, but I'm not really involved enough in the community to know what's going on. To contribute to the discussion, I had the idea for doing high profile projects like these (CE, the FF6 hack, a new Sonic, or translating very popular and still-untranslated works or something) to attract attention. Something like, temporarily drawing on the talent of many people time to time for popular efforts. Working on a full-size hack like CE, I really wondered sometimes how much faster development would have been if, instead of a handful of people familiar with the CT ROM chipping in information time to time and one person coding, we could have tapped into the full power of the community, making use of several experts or ASM specialists, and so on. An awful lot of CE's greatest achievements came only very recently in the history of the Chrono Trigger community, like inserting custom SPCs converted from MMLs, documenting assembly enough to make complicated graphic hacks possible, decoding some unknown event commands or pinning down DrawGeometry...

I guess it's a pipe dream to have a community united enough to do something like that...

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Old 06-12-2009, 06:37 AM   #56
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I say it's all bull. I don't know if the C&D letter is fake or not, however I know that C&D letters aren't threats of real legal action, on these sort of things. It does indeed fall under fair use, it's a rom hack. I just means someone either didn't like what they were doing, or it was a cruel joke caused by that 3D Chrono Remake getting shut down. That one was illegal since it was an attempt to rebuild Chrono Trigger 1 to 1.

Square-Enix would never waste time actually pursuing it as a real case. I mean, I dout CT would be an exclusive target of this while every single big hack of Final Fantasy 1-6 gets ignored entirely. It's just to stir up crap and nothing more. It was just a free fan made patch to turn CT into a pseudo sequel, nothing more, nothing less. Plenty of FF hack do the same, like Dragoon X Omega. It's a whole new game running on the FF1 engine.

This is like when Cutepet got scared by a C&D letter, or the Penny Arcade Strawberry Shortcake fiasco. It is just strong arm tactics to scare you into stop doing things they don't like.
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:51 AM   #57
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Unfortunately, S-E has the legal resources to put plenty of bite behind the bark, Akane. For a company of that size, taking someone to court is not a difficult matter. The courts would likely find in favor of S-E, as this doesn't fall wholly within categories like educational use, parody, or reviewing.

Even in the case of Penny Arcade (where the webcomic team wisely complied with the C&D) they weren't in the clear as far as parody goes because they weren't parodying the Strawberry Shortcake character herself so much as using Strawberry Shortcake to parody American McGee-- a distinction that matters for such cases, if my understanding is correct.

Just because other projects have been released without repurcussions doesn't mean that CE could expect that, once an actual C&D was sent. I'm not sure if InVerse is correct about companies having to defend any copyright violation that comes to their attention (my recollection, at least, is that copyrights are given for a certain amount of time, period, while trademarks have to be defended against dilution/infrinngement or the owners will lose exclusive claim to them), however, the CE team had every reason to fear that S-E would follow through on their threat. An actual cease and desist letter from a company with good legal representation is not to be taken lightly: Large companies tend to take intellectual property seriously, and once they have embarked on a course of legal action, it's easily imaginable that they would be loath to reverse course, for fear of encouraging others to flout their legal demands.

Even releasing the playthrough videos is somewhat risky, but hopefully no harm will come of it.
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Old 06-12-2009, 05:52 PM   #58
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It is just strong arm tactics to scare you into stop doing things they don't like.
Oh, no doubt it is a strong arm tactic. That said, they sent a C+D, and they have more money than all of us put together that they could use to pursue this if they wanted to. As Agent12 more or less said, as much as it stinks, is it worth possibly screwing your life the hell up to fight it?
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Old 06-12-2009, 11:50 PM   #59
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The main annoying thing is that they seem to target Chrono Trigger related hacks while all the Final Fantasy hacks are left alone.
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The main annoying thing is that they seem to target Chrono Trigger related hacks while all the Final Fantasy hacks are left alone.
I have NEVER understood this either. They seem to go crazy on Chrono fan projects, yet FF stuff...
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