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Old 11-17-2004, 10:35 PM   #11
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Emulation isn't over. But I feel a lot of the excitement that was there is gone.

Thinking back to when I first started to pop around the scene, which was about 7 years ago, I remember making a newbie post on these boards when they were WWWThreads and ZD didn't even have a domain address.

Back then, I feel like there was indeed a lot more communication between site masters. I remember #emu on EFNet (I may be wrong baout these names) but you'd see Zophar on there along with staff members from EmuCamp and stuff like that.

I think there was a lot more excitement generated back then b/c progress was so much slower. I remember zSNES getting a GUI and the buzz it created. I remember the emergence of LoopyNES as the new "Nesticle." I remember the excitement surrounding the Seiken Densetsu 3 translation and the emulation of Super FX by SNES9x. I think people were more appreciative of these little efforts that people made.

There was something I was a part of. I donated money to the EarthBound Zero project (in the readme, I'm listed as skuffer). The amount of attention this brought and the unity it provided was something I will never forget.

Unfortunately, with expansion comes decline. Simple peaks and troughs thats how I feel anyway.

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Old 11-18-2004, 12:05 AM   #12
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> Yeah, I wasn't around in the old days, so it's hard for me
> to really understand the differences. My best guess would
> be that it's just a consequence of expansion. As the
> community got bigger, it probably started to get less
> friendly, same as in any small town.

I personally can't think of any reason it shouldn't be friendly though. We all need to get rid of some of the 'bad blood' that some of the sites have and just work together. We're all about the same thing still, that being emulation of course. If people didn't want emulation news, then none of these sites would probably exist still.


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Old 11-18-2004, 12:14 AM   #13
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> I'm certain that's it, it's no longer reliving the classics,
> it's getting the new games for free.

That's not how I feel about it, and I think quite a few people here would feel the same. As for what you're saying though, in some ways, it feels like the truly exciting bits of emulation are occuring on consoles rather than for a regular computer.

I remember the simple joy of playing Zelda on my GBA via PocketNES. I was thrilled by PocketNES, and I still love it.

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Although, call me crazy if you wish, but I'm still excited over new releases of Zsnes. Proper SFX2 emulation, BS Satellaview, there's still more that's not emulated properly on the SNES, I think a lot of people don't realize that.
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Old 11-18-2004, 01:34 AM   #14
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Bullshit. You need not speak of nostolgia. You are too young.
I remember playing PAC Man at age 29 on an Atari 2600 for the first time.
That's nostolgia.
Not something that happened ten years ago.
It seems nowadays we've been invaded, albiet slightly, by people who just don't want to pay homage, or for, a game.
I own everything I have on my comp.
No difference if it's FF1, Legend of Zelda of SMB 3.
You don't get anywhere stealing stuff.

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Old 11-18-2004, 01:37 AM   #15
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No.
Not by a longshot.
There are systems to be emulated, and people bound and determined to emulate them.
There are utilities to be made and people, again, bound and determined to create them.
There's music to be ripped and people driven to rip it.
And there are games upon games waiting for new hacks, translations, and cheats.
Emulation is not dead, nor is it lost.
The faithful all have the same address.
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Old 11-18-2004, 02:00 AM   #16
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> It seems nowadays we've been
> invaded, albiet slightly, by people who just don't want to
> pay homage, or for, a game. I own everything I have on my comp.

If you own the game, what reason do you have for downloading the ROM? If you're looking for the nostolgia... why not just dig up your old systems, plug it in and play it? There's no way you'll get the same feeling from playing an emulated version when you have access to the real thing in your closet. Holding the original controller, on the original system, plugged into your TV.... that's experiencing the nostolgia. If you're doing that, good for you.

But if you do... know that you are BY FAR in the minority. Most of the people that claim to play for nostolgia don't own the game... they might not even own the system. And yeah... they might be thinking "oh it's cool to be able to play this game again after all these years"... but they wouldn't be willing to pay the 5 bucks to relive the game (if that were the price). It all comes back to the games being readily available... and free.

There was never a time when emulation was solely about nostolgia. People were always looking to use it for piracy purposes. It may seem like there's more of it now... but that's only because things are on a much larger scale now.

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Old 11-18-2004, 02:13 AM   #17
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> Not something that happened ten years ago.

Depends on who you are. Something that happened ten years ago happened over half a lifetime ago for me. :-)

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Old 11-18-2004, 02:28 AM   #18
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You remind me of a question that I have asked myself before. It is much more formidable than it may seem at first, and I honestly am having a hard time arriving at a sound conclusion.

How is buying a game used different than downloading it? Is it somehow more ethical, or are they really the same thing?

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Old 11-18-2004, 04:07 AM   #19
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> I'm certain that's it, it's no longer reliving the classics,
> it's getting the new games for free.

In my case it's always been about playing the classics for the first time... I'm only as old as the NES myself, I never had any video game systems until the last five years, the first time I ever played Zelda or SMB was on a PC. When I actually did go buy an NES and a bunch of games I got the nostalgia of remembering playing them for the first time in an emulator...

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Old 11-18-2004, 06:26 AM   #20
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The golden days are indeed over. Who can recreate the moment of "OH MAN, you can play SNES games on your PC? Oh shit! This is better than sliced bread!" despite the fact that the wind in Final Fantasy 3 was a high pitched squeal, and (the first time I saw it) the actual video part was a small box in the bottom left hand corner of your screen, with the rest of the screen pitch black. When you're 12 and don't have enough money to get a real, authentic copy of FF3, this discovery is mind-blowing.

Now it's (going to be), "Hey! I can play Xbox games on my PC! Now I won't have to mod it just so I can apply that nudie patch onto Dead or Alive: Extreme Beach Volleyball! Heh heh."

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