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Old 08-14-2007, 07:30 AM   #11
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> Well, I suppose having the full spectrum might be more
> interesting. However, there is the definite conflict caused
> by people denying either their masculine or feminine halves,
> which is the source of all manner of stupidity and conflict.

Ohhh, I definitely agree with you there. It's pretty ridiculous what happens due to machismo or... whatever the female equivalent would be. Obsessing over people not thinking you're "pretty" (gag) enough, I suppose. Preventable accidents and anorexia/bulimia FTL.

> You can't really relate to someone if you're missing the half of
> you that they would correspond to...so it's a tricky thing.

Well, yes, in a sense... On the other hand, I don't know that either gender (or even a genderless person) could possibly truly understand anywhere near every trait typically attached to the opposite gender, no matter how "in touch" with that side of them they are, if only 'cause... well... each gender can physically do things the others cannot, without question, do. Pregnancy, anyone? <img src=smilies/thumb.gif> And heck, I don't know that anybody can actually understand all the traits attached to their OWN gender, heheh. But I do think that people can RELATE to these things in some way ("Owww, that must be miserable!") if they try hard enough, though.
I suppose that I personally think that a gender is mostly what you make it yourself. For example, people could know they're male, but run around in frilly skirts all day because that's just... what they like to do. Of course, that's kinda a silly example to most people, but it works. =)

> It should be like Yin and Yang, there being
> masculinity in the feminine and femininity in the masculine,
> but it doesn't work that way too often.

I dunno, I think it depends on the groups you associate with these days. At least within the group of people I know, regardless of whether I like them or not, there seems to be a wider acceptance of these traits... or maybe they just see some traits that could be classified within one side or another as more genderless? (Of course, despite this, a lot of them still have troubles with people's sexualities, but that's a whooole other issue, as related as this topic is. One step at a time?) But naturally, there are whole COUNTRIES that have trouble with gender equality-- ignoring the issue of sexuality entirely-- at the moment, so it's still an issue... But hopefully my experience, since I'm probably younger than most people here, indicates a LITTLE bit of a positive trend on that? I dunno, I'm mildly optimistic. =D
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Old 08-14-2007, 06:33 PM   #12
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> > Is there such a thing as female/male pancake batter?
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> Apparently, there is
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This shit was motherfucking win.
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Old 08-15-2007, 12:24 AM   #13
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> You'd think so, but the idea of gender is simply an idea
> created by the binary opposition of "male" and "female",
> which is only a distinction made by language.

I mean't to have sex with, not in terms of scope or perspective; balance. but yeah, i guess the everyone in the world should just masterbate everyone.
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Old 08-15-2007, 01:52 AM   #14
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> I mean't to have sex with, not in terms of scope or
> perspective; balance. but yeah, i guess the everyone in the
> world should just masterbate everyone.

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Old 08-15-2007, 01:57 AM   #15
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> You'd think so, but the idea of gender is simply an idea
> created by the binary opposition of "male" and "female",
> which is only a distinction made by language.

Um. It's also a distinction of the reproductive organs present on your body.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:23 AM   #16
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> Um. It's also a distinction of the reproductive organs
> present on your body.

Yes, but haven't you ever heard of men with "witches milk"? Or how about a girl with no tits and a big clit with penile-looking characteristics? It's simply a spectrum of people from "extremely male" to "extremely female". At one point of the spectrum, the male becomes more male than female, but still retains many female characteristics, and ditto for females.
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Old 08-15-2007, 03:27 AM   #17
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> Um. It's also a distinction of the reproductive organs
> present on your body.

My rather scientific definition of gender (or, more accurately, sex) is defined by the Y chromosome. If you have at least one, you're male. If not, you're female.

If you're wondering about the slightly odd wording, I came to it while http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYY_syndromebrowsing</a> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_X_syndromethrough</a> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndromeWikipedia</a>.

Edit: I kept going, and found even more stuff.

It's possible to have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndromeXX males</a> or XY females. In the former case this is because the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRYSRY</a> (Sex-determining Y Region) moves onto an X chromosome, while the latter case has a defective or missing SRY.

But then it gets even more complicated in subjects with a 46XY karyotype (a male karyotype) but full http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androge...ivity_syndromeandrogen insensitivity syndrome</a>. In this case, the subject has a male karyotype and generates testosterone, but the body doesn't react to testosterone at all. The result is a nearly normal female body, but with incomplete female sexual organs and undescended testes.

It's all very complicated...
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Old 08-15-2007, 03:39 AM   #18
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> My rather scientific definition of gender (or, more
> accurately, sex) is defined by the Y chromosome. If you have
> at least one, you're male. If not, you're female.

I guess that's the laboratory way of checking for a wayner or a vadge <img src=smilies/cwm27.gif>
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Old 08-15-2007, 05:41 AM   #19
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> It's all very complicated...

Well...I guess it's really not as distinct as all that then, is it?<img src=smilies/mystery.gif>
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Old 08-15-2007, 06:11 AM   #20
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> Um. It's also a distinction of the reproductive organs
> present on your body.

There's a difference between sex and gender. Sex is decided by reproductive organs (so, male, female, or somewhere in between). Gender is up to the individual to define, or to have defined for them by society.

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