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Old 01-27-2007, 03:04 AM   #1
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I think most people at this point fucking hate politics. I have heard that the future is small communities of who are brought together by interests, lifestyle, and the internet, and live unique livestyles with the kind of people they _want_ to live with; ie, a bunch of people with interest A and who become friends on the internet and move together at place B, and live according to their unique desires and worldview. In otherwords, a sort of return to a tribal style of living. What I wonder is, if this is the case, can we FINALLY get rid of democracy, and let these types of communities govern themselves according to their own customs and rules? I mean, if town A with group A has the rule that dueling is legal, or drugs are legal, or whatever, town B could just say "OK, that's not the way we do things, since we're group B that has our own values here in town B, so people from town A have to respect our rules." So lets say one town could be a bunch of occultists, and they practice witchcraft. And that's okay in town C, where the occultists live. But lets say there's a group of people who moved into town D, which is nearby. They could say "Hey, we don't like occultism here, we are more physically oriented and value physical labor, and consider occultism a crutch for neurotics who want something for nothing." then they could have that as the way things are in town D.

This seems like a sane way to have a free society; small groups of people creating their own rules, free to include or exclude whoever they want. It would probably only work in the countryside, but does anyone have any comments?
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Old 01-27-2007, 03:10 AM   #2
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we have states that make laws just for their own state.
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Old 01-27-2007, 03:40 AM   #3
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> This seems like a sane way to have a free society; small
> groups of people creating their own rules, free to include
> or exclude whoever they want. It would probably only work in
> the countryside, but does anyone have any comments?

I think the gotcha here is the "free to exclude" part. Tribe A can't exclude the people of Tribe B if the people of Tribe B decide to ruthlessly murder Tribe A for their land, resources, or whatever.

Some people are cool. Some people are jerks. The jerks will ruin any society, regardless of how it is governed.
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Old 01-27-2007, 03:57 PM   #4
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The way I see it, that form of anarchy would probably have to happen when humans become able to move out of the solar system. (I'd estimate maybe 50-300 years away, depends on how much political bullshit will get in the way/how fast we can design stuff)

Once we have a bunch of space colonies everywhere, it'll be like a new american western frontier. People wishing to get off of earth and start a new colony would quickly find a hard and lonely life. They would only be able interact with the people who came with them; very rarely would visitors come because the cost to get there would definatelty be high, at least at first. There will probably be clusters of colonies, or large public ones, but if somebody wants to take advantage of the vast amount of free space, and get away from people, all they'd have to do is go very far in one direction, and find a source of sustinance. Very few would go off the beaten path to find them.

This is your countryside. People couldn't enforce anything out in space. Maybe in a large cluster of colonies, the space in between them would have laws, but you can't have laws everywhere. We'd probably end up with something like the maritime laws for extra-colonial space. Nothing stricter could be possible to enforce.
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Old 01-28-2007, 07:22 PM   #5
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> we have states that make laws just for their own state.

We have a fascist federal government. many examples exist of where the feds force their laws on states that believe something contrary. an example that comes to mind is medical marijuana - states like california believe in it's value. yet they must keep their facilities secret or the feds will bust them.

IMO local power is a myth in today's america.
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Old 01-29-2007, 03:37 AM   #6
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> I think the gotcha here is the "free to exclude" part.
> Tribe A can't exclude the people of Tribe B if the people of
> Tribe B decide to ruthlessly murder Tribe A for their land,
> resources, or whatever.

> Some people are cool. Some people are jerks. The jerks
> will ruin any society, regardless of how it is governed.

Well, the idea would be that these small communities would be made up of people who are smart and enlightened enough to disallow jerks from living there. If someone wants to be a jerk, it would be understood that the person would be asked to leave, or else be shot, the right to bear arms being a necessary adjunct to a society in which people who can't get along with others without being told what to do are asked to kindly leave or be shot.
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Old 01-29-2007, 04:18 AM   #7
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What you're describing sounds like the Vaults in Fallout.

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<table bgcolor="#000000"><tr><td><font color="#000000">At the end of the game, the main character is asked to leave the Vault after risking his life to save it, because he has become too worldly and experienced and is considered a bad influence on the people still living there.</font></td></tr></table>

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Old 01-29-2007, 04:42 AM   #8
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> What you're describing sounds like the Vaults in Fallout.
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I loved/hated that ending. It made me glad to see reaction my character had. More than fitting.
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Old 01-29-2007, 05:03 AM   #9
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STATES RIGHTS THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN


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Old 01-29-2007, 05:39 AM   #10
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> What you're describing sounds like the Vaults in Flallout.
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> Fallout Spoiler: (highlight to reveal)

> At the end of the game, the main character is asked to leave
> the Vault after risking his life to save it, because he has
> become too worldly and experienced and is considered a bad
> influence on the people still living there.

See, the idea is to avoid a post-apocalyptic scenario where a Vault is necessary. The people in the Vault are bound by their lack of intelligence, since they have a worldview in which the outside world is considered evil, much like Christians. In effect, by viewing the world as evil and oppressive instead of themselves, they have cut themselves off from the world and as a result have made it evil and oppressive. This type of future can be avoided by re-establishing a connection with the world, and acknowledging the evil that dwells within and gaining mastery of it; only by detaching oneself from the view that some things are "good" and some things are "evil" can one unlock the responsibilty and knowledge to use one's evil against those who need morality to get along with other people. If one needs morality, that would mean that one doesn't understand their own evil, and thus not have the responsibility to determine who lives and who dies. Only a person who understands that what some consider evil, are merely parts of Eternity that those people are afraid of, can the knowledge that thinking this way turns such people into their own worst enemy be gained, that in effect belief that evil exists "in the world" makes them cause the opposite of what they think of as good to happen outside of themselves. These people in thinking they should "be" good and "not be" evil, disconnect them from themselves, so that through generation after generation not realizing that thinking this makes it so, become more harmful to those who realize this than anyone who knows they're evil and thus knows that these people should be shot. For instance, a good person would not wish death on anyone, but an evil person who is enlightened and in control of his evil would make sure that his actions are beneficial to life, and would use his dark side to wish death on those who wish death upon people they consider evil, as is the case with those who think that the world is a harsh and evil place. The truly enlightened person knows that the world is only evil if one thinks it is; thus only those who think the world is evil and against them should have evil, death-causing thoughts directed towards them by those who are able to live without thinking this way, but are stuck in a world with those who do. However, by speaking of and getting people to become responsible enough to become master of life and death, one can get more people to know that people who think like this cause death by thinking they or others deserve it. So through an act of "knowing" that the world will get better, one makes it so. And "knowing" that things will happen is an art in itself.
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