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Old 06-18-2004, 04:10 AM   #1
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Okay, and go.

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Old 06-18-2004, 04:34 AM   #2
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> Okay, and go.
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Because I was raised into it, and I'd feel guilty if I stopped to actually think about what's going on.

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Old 06-18-2004, 04:40 AM   #3
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> Okay, and go.

i don't consider myself buddhist but i'm investigating it.

I enjoy the teachings i've learned from some books i've read on zen buddhism. i've tried to apply some of the ideas in my life and I've felt more peaceful and empowered.

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Old 06-18-2004, 04:49 AM   #4
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> Okay, and go.
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i just can't rationally believe in god. i think it's the easy way to describe how impossibly indescribable the world is. humans can be smart, but we'll never comprehend the enormity of the universe...the concept of true infinity is just too much to wrap your mind around. it's impossibe to understand that there is no beginning, and never was...it'll send you into a mind fuck worse than watching mulholland dr.

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Old 06-18-2004, 05:54 AM   #5
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I don't need to justify anything for I am a Discordian.

Have a look at out commandments

I - There is no Goddess but Goddess and She is Your Goddess. There is no Erisian Movement but The Erisian Movement and it is The Erisian Movement. And every Golden Apple Corps is the beloved home of a Golden Worm.

II - A Discordian Shall Always use the Official Discordian Document Numbering System.

III - A Discordian is Required during his early Illumination to Go Off Alone & Partake Joyously of a Hot Dog on a Friday; this Devotive Ceremony to Remonstrate against the popular Paganisms of the Day: of Catholic Christendom (no meat on Friday), of Judaism (no meat of Pork), of Hindic Peoples (no meat of Beef), of Buddhists (no meat of animal), and of Discordians (no Hot Dog Buns).

IV - A Discordian shall Partake of No Hot Dog Buns, for Such was the Solace of Our Goddess when She was Confronted with The Original Snub.

V - A Discordian is Prohibited of Believing what he reads.

or even better read our bible http://www.principiadiscordia.com

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Old 06-18-2004, 06:55 AM   #6
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I've expended much time and effort doing that on this board, so I won't go into a lot of detail here. The short version:

I'm agnostic because I don't think mortals are equipped to judge the existence or non-existence of God (as it's usually defined). I admit all spiritual/religious possibilities, but reject the suggestion that another human could know for sure.

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Old 06-18-2004, 01:59 PM   #7
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I believe religion as a whole was created as means by ancient rulers to control their subjects through fear of an all-powerful being. When I was a young boy, my parents took me to a Roman Catholic church on Sundays where I attended Sunday school up until my stepfather's death when I was 7. Ever since then, I kinda fell out of the whole religion thing and really don't believe in anything anymore. Also, religion can make the extremely devoted to fucked up things in the name of their God (i.e., 9/11). That's why I am pretty much against all religion. That and those Christians preach to everyone how wrong violence in video games is and that listening to certain music will certainly earn you a seat in Hell. Any religion that tries to preach and push its values on you, in my opinion, is inherently evil.

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Old 06-18-2004, 02:05 PM   #8
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> I'm agnostic because I don't think mortals are equipped to
> judge the existence or non-existence of God (as it's usually
> defined). I admit all spiritual/religious possibilities,
> but reject the suggestion that another human could know for
> sure.

I'm similar. Technically I'm an agnostic too, but unfortunately I find myself physically unable to avoid rebuttal of people who proclaim that their religion is 'truth'. Thus to anyone who doesn't actually ask me to state my position, I'm a god-hating atheist who, according to Dante, will end up burning in the sixth level of hell, in the City of Dis, with all the other heretics. Should be fun.



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Old 06-18-2004, 04:04 PM   #9
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I was a Jehova's Witness in my childhood. I distinctly remember having a strong belief... but eventually my parents sort of gave up on it, and we stopped going to the Kingdom Hall. I still believed for a while after that (and in fact my sister kept going on her own for a while longer). But somewhere along the line I lost my faith. Don't remember when exactly... but thems the breaks. Today I consider myself atheist... although I could be agnostic. I more or less don't really care whether or not there really is a God... but at the same time I just think the whole idea of a supreme being that always was is a rediculous fairy tale.

Over time I grew to hate beliefs which use scare tactics to solicit membership ("join our faith or burn in hell!"). I don't know if this was because I once was a Witness or not... but that really gets under my skin. I've found that most denominations use this tactic in one form or another... and so I find myself sometimes unfairly biased against religion in general (even those beliefs I have no problem with).

If there is a God... I'd imagine He/She/It/they would accept people for the kind of life they lead, not for their religious practice. If God is so shallow that he'll comdemn an atheist who's led a good and honest life, but will save a mass murderer who repented before his death... then I'm not sure I want to go to heaven anyway.

Bullshit laws/rules are another problem I have with many beliefs. In the big picture... what does it really matter whether or not you eat meat on friday. I mean really. I seriously doubt God would have a problem with something so petty when there's tons of more serious problems going on.

Anyway that about sums it up.

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Old 06-18-2004, 04:16 PM   #10
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> If there is a God... I'd imagine He/She/It/they would accept
> people for the kind of life they lead, not for their
> religious practice. If God is so shallow that he'll comdemn
> an atheist who's led a good and honest life, but will save a
> mass murderer who repented before his death

Ok....without getting into the nitty gritty of what (may or may not) happen at death, or getting specific into the "they're right and they're wrong" bullshit....I think your perception is a bit skewed. Just because an individual denies the existence of Gd that does not mean that He will not love them....they are still his children (bear with me here....this is for arguments sake), and will be treated no differently in the end for what they have or have not done in life (now this is where it gets a bit sticky depending on your faith...but we'll go Christian for the sake of the majority argument in the US). The concept of "purgatory" is one in which a preparation and purification of the soul happens to clense it of the sins of life. Depending on what you have/haven't done in life, determines the length of your stay in purgatory. If, while in purgatory, you do not turn to the truth (lets not get on an arument about "truth"....just an illustration) and even once Gd has revealed his power to you, and you still reject him....then you burn. (Bear in mind, this is just one interpretation of one religion, and is in no way able to be taken as the "true" or "correct" version therein....just trying to illustrate a counterpoint to your statement).

> Bullshit laws/rules are another problem I have with many
> beliefs. In the big picture... what does it really matter
> whether or not you eat meat on friday. I mean really. I
> seriously doubt God would have a problem with something so
> petty when there's tons of more serious problems going on.

It's not about the meat.....not eating meat is a personal sacrifice symbolizing your sacrifice with Christ. Meat has nothing to do with it, and there probably no reason why it is meat now....its just "the way it's always been". Hell, they could make it brocolli, and it still means the same thing in the end. Its about self control and self denail of desires, restraint...to remind us of the suffering and sacrifce Christ endured to save us. Remember....key word here is "symbolism".

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