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Old 09-29-2009, 08:52 PM   #1
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Default Terraforming Mars-- are we really running out of space?

So, here I am watching the History Channel, and there is a show on about terraforming Mars. Really?
now there are the people out there who believe that people will just pollute it, and destroy it like they have on Earth. Although I would think that terrafoming mars would be the opposite.
They were talking about how Mars has 1/3 gravity and they aren't sure if it's significant enough gravity for people to not lose their bone density.
There are also other factors that make Mar's atmosphere suitable for terraforming, as well as unsuitable conditions, such as no water. They're talking about transferring water from Ceres, I believe, and if I've read correctly, it orbits within the asteroid belt... people are crazy.

Another thing I looked up was scientist who're talking about colonizing the bottom of the ocean. That too has a lot of cons, as well that are very obvious.

Not to mention the colonization of the moon.
They're talking about mining the solar system as well cause we're running out of resources here.

What do you guys think about raping our solar system or colonizing other planets?
Are you one of those people whose for it, or one of those fundamentalists who thinks that we're going to rape every piece of land we settle upon?
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Old 09-29-2009, 09:27 PM   #2
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I just think we need to stop making so many kids. The whole world should adopt the systems china has in place for population control for a generation or two.
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:32 PM   #3
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As the great Chris Rock would say "Put the dick down".

Seriously I'm with Brad on this. Governments have got to get tough and tell people no more babies. I've known this since I was a kid and only China and India have done a damn thing about it. I will give Russia and other countries that will give abortion on demand which is a must if the morning after pill is controversial and dumb heavy drinkers are not on mandatory long term birth control.

Not a big deal though. The population gets to high we just have a few little nice wars, some genocide, just plain clear cut some populations, or just let irresponsible nations with high density populations starve. One way or another including mother nature letting a few little bugs lose like plague and such that with a dense population like the US east coast would actually get passed through multiple states before anyone realized what ever happened.

This bottom of the ocean, moon, and mars are just people trying to make a bundle off the US and other nations taxpayers knowing that even if something happened it would be over a 100 years before the craft that could handle that distance cheaply could be developed and by then population controls would be in place and could actually have almost fixed the problem and have been accepted as a way of life.
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I think, if we don't expand in the universe sooner or later, other races out there will fill the place in the end. Bringing life to other planets is nothing bad. But as ReaperMan already said: mankind is growing too fast on earth, especially in the poor countries. In Germany population decreases and gets older. We don't have enough new born children per year....
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:48 PM   #5
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One way or another including mother nature letting a few little bugs lose like plague and such that with a dense population like the US east coast would actually get passed through multiple states before anyone realized what ever happened.
Thanks Shawn, now I feel jynxed. :P
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Old 09-30-2009, 12:03 AM   #6
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Thanks Shawn, now I feel jynxed. :P

Hey wasn't like I even mentioned that if the US electric grid on just the east coast went down for more than a month you would see food riots, mass slaughters, not widespread but I'm sure cannibalism would be happening, and so much more.

Heck if it's in the winter. Shit you'll see the above and entire neighborhoods disassembled for community firewood on the communities that haven't descended into anarchy yet.
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:25 AM   #7
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We have guns... I doubt people would resort to cannibalism because of a really long black out. If anything they'd shoot animals. If someone is thinking about resorting to eating people, I don't think gutting an animal would be that hard.
Not to mention, if rioting did break out, the government would more than likely send out tanks and all kinds of soldiers to regulate the population.
We're not as populated as those other countries, we still have vast open land, that could easily be filled tons of Asian baby girls.

Anywho... I don't think the population in the U.S. is much to worry about now. I think that people should focus more on what we eat and harvest more than they're focusing on where to move to in the future. If we stopped over fishing, and cutting shit down, then there might be less of a problem. I think people should even harvest food for themselves, if, of course, they have the space. Instead of buying acreage to home horses, they should also invest in other livestock that they can harvest for food. If they need money, they should sell it to their neighbors, or to their town. I don't know, I guess I have an idealistic way of thinking. I even sometimes think that people should revert to the barder system. lol
Of course that has it's flaws.

By the way, do we even have enough resources on Earth to begin colonizing anything outside of our own planet? We have a lot of sand... lets make everything out of GLASS! >.<
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We have guns... I doubt people would resort to cannibalism because of a really long black out. If anything they'd shoot animals. If someone is thinking about resorting to eating people, I don't think gutting an animal would be that hard.
Not to mention, if rioting did break out, the government would more than likely send out tanks and all kinds of soldiers to regulate the population.
We're not as populated as those other countries, we still have vast open land, that could easily be filled tons of Asian baby girls.

Anywho... I don't think the population in the U.S. is much to worry about now. I think that people should focus more on what we eat and harvest more than they're focusing on where to move to in the future. If we stopped over fishing, and cutting shit down, then there might be less of a problem. I think people should even harvest food for themselves, if, of course, they have the space. Instead of buying acreage to home horses, they should also invest in other livestock that they can harvest for food. If they need money, they should sell it to their neighbors, or to their town. I don't know, I guess I have an idealistic way of thinking. I even sometimes think that people should revert to the barder system. lol
Of course that has it's flaws.

By the way, do we even have enough resources on Earth to begin colonizing anything outside of our own planet? We have a lot of sand... lets make everything out of GLASS! >.<

I think you are forgetting a few major facts. No power no gas stations, no running water, no refrigerated warehouses working that store food. For farms no irrigation since the pumps are electrical and no milking machines, and eventually even the fuel for the tractors run out.

As for hunting, have fun. There are about around a 100 or more to one persons to wild animals ratio in the regular areas of the east coast and the cities it's more like over a 1000 to one. We would fishout and kill probably almost all the wildlife and easily catchable fish within a few weeks tops and there would not be enough to repopulate enough to sustain for maybe over a week even after a few months.

We basically need to lower the US population by at least 2/3 or more to maybe 50 to 100 million maximum. Sure it seems like a small number but that is a somewhat sustainable number. By lowering to 50 million and reverting back a lot of land back to farms and forests and wildlands it'll make it simple for wildlife to get back to a normal sustainable populations.
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before this topic goes any further, I think it's time to move this to the backroom since this is starting to turn a bit political.
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No power no gas stations, no running water, no refrigerated warehouses working that store food. For farms no irrigation since the pumps are electrical and no milking machines, and eventually even the fuel for the tractors run out.
I think you're forgetting that, before the Industrial Revolution, humanity survived for millions of years without all of these things.
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