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Old 04-14-2006, 09:23 AM   #1
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http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...l/judastxt.pdfhttp://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/judastxt.pdf</A>

Lot of hoopla about this, but I haven't seen a link to the actual text. Haven't read it yet but I had trouble finding it when I looked before, so on the off-chance that someone wants to read it, here it is.
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Old 04-14-2006, 11:17 AM   #2
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Damn I thought they were still working on translating it so I hadn't bothered to track it down. Thanks Jaduss!
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Old 04-14-2006, 03:16 PM   #3
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Christianity is so fucking retarded.
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Old 04-14-2006, 03:35 PM   #4
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> Christianity is so fucking retarded.
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Yeah, I would say so. I just read that. I think its an esoteric book that wasn't meant for the public at large, and doesn't much of it doesn't seem to mean much to anyone but a few who lived a long time ago. Although that Seth/Jesus relationship is...interesting. (Seth is an Egyptian god that's arguably the origin of the archetype that would be called "Satan")
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Old 04-14-2006, 10:35 PM   #5
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This is one of my major problems with the bible in particular, or any religious book claiming to be "God's Words".

They were all written by men.
Men. And who's to say, if they were actual events or not, they weren't either exaggerated or made to seem less important by same men.

Don't get me wrong - I think the ten commandments rule, and only one of those rules is prevelant in every single religion.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

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Old 04-14-2006, 10:50 PM   #6
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> Christianity is so fucking retarded.

Heh. As I've often said... it's be funny how ridiculous it is... if it weren't so frightening.

But I guess people feel better after putting their faith in <s>superman</s> Jesus. *shrug* What can I say.
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Old 04-15-2006, 12:27 AM   #7
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> Christianity is so fucking retarded.
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I am a christian. Not all christians are bible beating fanatics like Jack Thompson or my dad. Wikipedia actually classifies the Gospel of Judas under <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism>Gnosticism.</a>
Calling Christianity retarded isn't nice. But I'm not gonna try to convert you or anything. That's a job for pastors.
And on a final note, can you give up Catholicism for lent?

Edit: I don't think the pastor will succeed either. Christianity is about loving your neighbor, not condemning everyone around you who doesn't completely agree with you to hell.
Edit2: Jesus didn't laugh at his disciples.
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Old 04-15-2006, 12:39 AM   #8
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> not condemning everyone around you who doesn't completely
> agree with you to hell.

Coulda fooled me. Last I heard those who don't accept Jesus as their savior will not be saved.

I fucking hate religious scare tactics. Playing on people's fears and insecurities in order to sway their judgement is one of the qualifications for "evil" in my book.

I don't think God would be such an ego maniac as to demand worship from every human being on Earth.

I think Rufus from the movie Dogma had the right idea -- have ideas, not beliefs (then again that movie was all around smart and interesting -- amazing considering it's freaking Kevin Smith, who I normally hate). Organized religion is a bad idea for the most part. While it does do a lot of good, it also causes more problems than it's worth.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Disch on 04/14/06 08:42 PM.</FONT></P>
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Old 04-15-2006, 01:03 AM   #9
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> Coulda fooled me. Last I heard those who don't accept Jesus
> as their savior will not be saved.

God says "Love me with all thy heart, soul, strength, and mind; and thy neighbor as thyself." I'm not too great at the first part, so I try to follow "Love thy neighbor as thyself." I believe in christianity primarily because I think the Big Bang makes no sense (and scientologists are as bad as any bible beater.)

> I fucking hate religious scare tactics. Playing on people's
> fears and insecurities in order to sway their judgement is
> one of the qualifications for "evil" in my book.

Well, that's why I hate my Dad's bible beating tactics. "When they're in hell, they will all finally see that it was all a trick. They will burn forever more, without faces or memories." When he said that, I was expecting evil laughter.

> I don't think God would be such an ego maniac as to demand
> worship from every human being on Earth.

He doesn't. Jesus taught love for your neighbor. "Love your enemies. Do good to those who hate you. Bless those who despitefully use you. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Now, no one in the world can follow this with ease, so I just try my best not to stab my most hated enemies.
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Old 04-15-2006, 01:33 AM   #10
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I believe in christianity primarily because I
> think the Big Bang makes no sense (and scientologists are as
> bad as any bible beater.)
So wait. Just because the official scientific theory doesn't geld for you, you make the leap to "God must've done it"? You know one of the major things that people tend to forget about science is that "Absence of evidence/proving wrong of idea A doesn't mean that idea B is automatically true". In other words, even if it turns out the big bang was utter horseshit (which I don't really think will happen anytime soon but who knows) there would still be a huge number of other ways it could have happened that have nothing to do with God or any other type of creator.

Oh and I hope you meant scientists and just misspelled. Because any semi-sane person would agree that scientologists are crackpots.
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