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Old 06-30-2005, 02:20 AM   #1
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Default Nature of the bible

The backroom is dead so I thought i would bring up this topic. I had an exgirlfriend who was an evangical christian who sincerely believed that the bible was unchanging. The the words and conten in it were the same words put down 1500 to 2000 years ago.

Translation errors? People rewriting sections to suit their needs and desires? Never happened. It is god's will. I cannot change because god will not let it.

Me, i dont feel that way. The bible has to change. We humans are imperfect creatures!

I am sure most people on this board agree with me but is there anybody out there who disagree?
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Old 06-30-2005, 02:56 AM   #2
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The bible was written a LOT longer than 2000 years ago. The false prophecies of the "new" testament written 300 years after some dude got nailed to some wood is what she's probably talking about. No one thought he was the son of Gd until Constantine said so...THREE HUNDRED years later. Hundreds of false prophets have cured the sick, helped the blind, etc. The bible states there are NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME. One of the most well known prayers goes, "Hear O Israel, the Lrd is our Gd, the Lrd is One." Christianity is paganism and it attempts to rewrite the bible to suit whatever king was in power. Furthermore, the Messiah has several requirements as described in the bible...jesus met ONE of them. One.

The TORAH is the bible. That is not a translation. The torah must be hand written, word for word, just as was done all the way back to the original. Direct translation into your language is the closest you'll get.

But alas...the Torah and Talmud teach us that the world to come is a house of many rooms, so even though you believe in a false prophet and use the word of Gd to condone murder, you still have a place.
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Old 06-30-2005, 10:37 AM   #3
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I had an exgirlfriend who was an evangical christian
who sincerely believed that the bible was unchanging.
Translation errors? People rewriting sections to suit their
needs and desires? Never happened. It is god's will. I
cannot change because god will not let it.


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What I don't fully understand is how when people who thinks something like this doesn't even waver in their faith once they learn the truth.
I don't really see that as a devout and admirable faith, I'd rather label it fanatic blind following. It could just has easily been a cult.
I for one, question things I don't fully understand, the problem with many religions is that they can't do that, or it fails.

So, what then, when the text set in stone is proven wrong? The common way out is to make up excuses like, "Gods ways are unsearchable" (oh how I detest that one, it can explain anything), or just ignore it completely, disregarding the source however reputable.

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Me, i dont feel that way. The bible has to change. We
humans are imperfect creatures!


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I guess it depends on how you look at the bible. If you look at it as a general guidebook to life which I think you should, then it's no problem. The bible has some good advices in it like the golden rule.

If you look at it like much more than that, I have a question; doesn't it completely demolish Gods credibility if you change it?
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Old 06-30-2005, 01:54 PM   #4
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> But alas...the Torah and Talmud teach us that the world to
> come is a house of many rooms, so even though you believe in
> a false prophet and use the word of Gd to condone murder,
> you still have a place.

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WOW... you realize that the JST adds things into the Bible, right? well, one of the things that got added was some stuff that says EXACTLY the same thing!

also, the Book of Mormon has references that tell us that heaven and hell are not seperated black & white.

and there are sections in the Doctrines and Covenents that AGAIN reiterate this point.

Mormonism has coined the phrase "plan of salvation" and includes this as part of the Plan... ONCE AGAIN reiterating this point, drilling it home...

Joseph Smith certainly did not know Hebrew, and he certainly didn't have any Hebrew friends, not in the town in Eastern New York that he hailed from... how in the living daylights did this make it into our doctrine so early in the history of our church?

oh yah, a question for you swamps, does the Torah and Talmud say anything about men and women needing to get married to reach the highest level of glory in heaven? or is that a Mormonism-only interpretation?
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Old 06-30-2005, 04:57 PM   #5
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> Joseph Smith certainly did not know Hebrew, and he certainly
> didn't have any Hebrew friends, not in the town in Eastern
> New York that he hailed from... how in the living daylights
> did this make it into our doctrine so early in the history
> of our church?

Because your church had a copy of the bible...and it's in the bible. The bible = Torah.

> oh yah, a question for you swamps, does the Torah and Talmud
> say anything about men and women needing to get married to
> reach the highest level of glory in heaven? or is that a
> Mormonism-only interpretation?

Torah = old testament. Talmud = unwritten Torah which were lessons and interpretations passed down by word of mouth, but they were eventually written down...hence the Talmud.

No, although marriage/divorce is clearly outlined. Sex is not a sin...in fact, sex is encouraged. Nedarim 20b: "...a man may do whatever he pleases with his wife [at intercourse]," as when taken within context, they're talking about intercourse.

I think the world would be a much better place if everyone were Jewish. You're not permitted to recruit someone into Judaism, marriage/divorce is clearly outlined, you're supposed to focus on the PRESENT and ENJOY LIFE...not live some fairy tale about some glory coming when you keel over and die.

In fact, I bet the women would be much happier...although there is segregation within the synagogue, it is specifically stated that marital sex is the woman's right--not the man's. Men do not have the right to mistreat women. Women are permitted to BREAK CERTAIN COMMANDMENTS because being head of the household is more important than observing some traditions. It's totally recognized that women rule the world.
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Old 07-01-2005, 04:24 AM   #6
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I've been non-religious, (atheist as some like to call it.) because of two reasons...
The first, being the time when I got jumped by some, "christians," because I was "talking shit." (Keep in mind they were white people who thought they were black)
Also since my father got "saved," he started making me drive his drunk ass home.
(Not going to church school also helps...)

I don't call it Atheism, I call it a transition, I want to take up another religon. If Judaism doesn't waste my time, brainwash me, or get me beat up over some petty dissagreement, then yes I will try it. (Does it matter what race I am?)

> It's totally recognized that women rule the world.

Wait, do you mean that women should or that they actually do?
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Old 07-01-2005, 04:52 AM   #7
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> I don't call it Atheism, I call it a transition, I want to
> take up another religon. If Judaism doesn't waste my time,
> brainwash me, or get me beat up over some petty
> dissagreement, then yes I will try it. (Does it matter what
> race I am?)

Judaism is not like the other "religions." Judaism isn't a religion. It's a way of life. If you attempt to convert, the rabbi will try to convince you otherwise...we're not interested in converts. You need to be willing to accept the responsibility of Judaism. And no, race doesn't matter...we all started out as mid-eastern.

> Wait, do you mean that women should or that they actually
> do?

The point is that it places emphasis on the fact that women play an important--sometimes more important than men--role in life.
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Old 07-02-2005, 02:56 AM   #8
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> I don't call it Atheism, I call it a transition, I want to
> take up another religon.

You don't have to follow a religion. Just believe what you want and be a good person during your life, that's all that really matters. People have this idea that they need a religion, well I say everyone should have a perspective on the universe they live in. When someone asks you what your religion is, they just want to know how you see the universe. It's usually a general way to classify someone. But not everyone fits perfectly into a specific religion.
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Old 07-12-2005, 02:54 AM   #9
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I would never lower myself to dating somebody holding an inherently anti-intellectual worldview.
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Old 07-12-2005, 03:10 AM   #10
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> I would never lower myself to dating somebody holding an
> inherently anti-intellectual worldview.

Your going to get slammed.
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