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Old 07-17-2012, 06:39 PM   #5
Rune @ GSC
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Wow, your appearance is certainly an interesting surprise.

Since Rune has decided to sully this thread with both his presence and some serious (false) accusations, I suppose I should at least respond to them, for those who are unaware of the situation.
Everything I have written is above is the facts without any spin on them. Having read what is written below, it is clear that you have re-written history in favour of GameHacking.org. It is rather disgusting and sad.

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GSCentral.org (not to be confused with the original GSCentral.com, which was under different management and was quite good)
GSCentral.com/.org has always been under my management -- Stinky613 and Crocc were both backbone administrative staff and never guided the website from a content point of view.

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and GameHacking.org (at the time still known as GSHI.org) had a bit of a flame-war some years back. It kicked off when Rune and a few of his underlings began slurping up all codes that GameHacking.org hackers created.
Not true. Many staff members of GSCentral discovered that many codes were being "re-hacked" or otherwise stolen from the GSC DB and were alarmed that Gamehacking.org did not care and respect the code creators from previous generations. That's what caused a few of the GSCers to start flaming and causing problems at GH. When it was clear that GH/GSHI was not going to give improper credit to the code hackers in the scene, we continued to give proper code credit to the right hackers because it was the right thing to do. This is something I find you consistantly do not understand... ethics 101.

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This continued on without much complaint from us, aside from the occasional snicker that GSCentral had stooped to the new low of just lifting codes from other places, rather than hacking anything of their own.
More bull. GSHI/GH has barely scratched the surface of what GSCentral has accomplished, both in the past and in the present. Most of "your" hacks originate from the stolen GSCentral (2007) database. I am speaking of thousands to millions of codes.

(The whole scene is dying rapidly so it probably doesn't even matter very much at this point.)

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Then a new thing occurred: Rune began adding codes we'd hacked, but without credit.
Nonsense. Never happened. The proper code credit only exists at GSCentral, specifically GSCentral.org. Any codes that were posted and were re-hacked by someone at a later date were denied code credit in favour of the original hackers. The pages were left untouched so the original authors would receive their dues.

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This angered several of our hackers, including one very talented person named ugetab (who was quite well known for having created many impressive codes, among other things). ugetab called Rune on this, and Rune and another GSCentral.org member, nensondubois (who seems to legitimately have a mental disorder) responded by counter-accusing ugetab of having been the real code thief.
Nensondubois worked with ugetab but has repeatedly complained over the years that ugetab stole all of the credit for their collaboration. That is why he has refused for years (4?) to post any codes at GH or even visit your website. Is that the sign of someone who is decent and moral? It reflects poorly on your organization for sure.

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This soon escalated into a full-scale verbal war, carried out on both sites' forums, as well as a 3rd party forum of sorts (I forget which, but it was related to PS2 hacking and wasn't truly a forum).
Yes, since the GSCers at the time disliked you defacing the original code creators. We still do!


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Rune and others from GSCentral.org, including some remnants from GSCentral.com (such as Parasyte and Viper187), sallied forth and leveled their accusations and verbal attacks at GameHacking.org members,
Only after it was clear, dozens of pages later, that the codes were being lifted and the code credit was being given to someone else.

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Rune, however, remained very child-like about the issue, and resorted to spamming and non-sense replies frequently. After a while, the intelligent members of GSCentral, to include Parasyte, Viper187, Modman, etc, began to notice inconsistencies in Rune's rhetoric.
This is a gross exaggeration. I suspect anyone would be furious if they found another website stealing codes and not giving proper code credit for the original hacker's hard work.

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For example, Rune claimed that he had added codes to his database before we added them to ours...but public timestamps on both sites and forums, including those cached by Google, clearly proved otherwise.
This is a half-truth. I claimed that codes that were on the Pro Action Replay Code Creators Club were posted years before Ugetab ever "hacked them". The GH website was adding those codes which Ugetab had submitted after they had been hacked by someone else.

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In the middle of this, Rune apparently had a falling out with his staff, which included Parasyte and Viper187, and locked them all out of the GSCentral.org forums.
The "falling out" was due to the fact that Parasyte had always wanted his own hacking website. Those website members had (and still have) numerous
lifestyle issues and that is why they expressed their dissatisfaction on the boards and directed them at GSCentral instead of making a change. Viper187 lived at home with his parents well into his 20's, not working or even attending school. Parasyte was likely unemployed at the time and heavily in debt.

Most of those members were also in the rebellious teenage years and GSCentral had been functioning smoothly up until the last year before the "falling-out". At the time I had not been guiding the website and the website was so chaotic that members were leaving because of Parasyte/Viper187/Modman's, etc. wild and reckless behaviour. You wouldn't know any of this because you were not there at the time.

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Subsequently, the forums were hacked and defaced, probably by former GSCentral members or staff. Rune then shut down the forums, but brought them back up shortly thereafter, and they were hacked again.
They were shutdown for the weekend because people were flaming each other and needed to calm down.


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Most of the former GSCentral.org staff left to either join GameHacking.org (for example, Parasyte and Viper187 are both currently GameHacking.org staff), or to form KodeWerx.org (Parasyte created this site as a replacement for GSCentral, although most of its member base has since moved to GameHacking.org, or other sites).
Actually, no, this is not necessarily true. Most of the former hackers everywhere have left the scene, mostly out of disgust at the drama that has arisen. Some left because they felt the scene was on the verge of dying, which is another good reason. Some former GSCentral staff went to Kodewerx, which failed within a year, and simply signed up to GH and have lain dormant for years. They barely even log onto their accounts. Anyone can tell. They have clearly outgrown the scene.

It would be a enormous stretch of the imagination to claim that they have been active in the last decade. A handful of posts in 3 years does not really count.


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At some point, former members of GSCentral.org staff dumped a copy of the GSCentral.org database, stating that it belonged to them and the scene at large,
But it never did and never will belong to them. It was never their work per se that got the codes online, formatted, and put into the GSCentral db, etc. The database was illegally stolen from our servers and leaked without the permission of GSCentral. It was never proven that any former GSCentral members hacked into the db and that it was likely an act of a third party who had no concrete knowledge of what was going on from the inside (much like yourself).

Since 2007, the GSCentral database is now easily the most definitive code db in the entire world, surpassing any other on the Internet today. It would be an enormous mistake to go anywhere else for codes!

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not Rune, and hosted it in several places. One of these places is GameHacking.org. While we do host a copy of BSFree, as it is called (the GSCentral.org code database, without the BS, as it were), we strive to always provide proper code credit therein.
Nonsense again. The codes have been altered and proper code credit has not been achieved. Your work on the db is a gross insult to all who have submitted codes to it.


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Unfortunately, Rune's mangling of the GSCentral database before GSCentral members dumped it caused not only a slew of issues with handling the database itself, but also caused a giant lack of code credit, even in the original version hosted at GSCentral.org.
Actually, wrong once again. The code database at GSCentral.org is fine and the many errors created from the time that it was hosted at GSCentral.com under the moderators/Stinky613/Crocc's supervision I have personally fixed myself. The proper code credit is 100% intact.

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We've spent countless hours hunting down those authors not mentioned in BSFree, and correcting credit as we could (we continue to do so).
This makes no sense whatsoever. How do you track-down people when the code credit is "Unknown"?

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Incidentally, BSFree has been slowly integrated with our existing code database, which already contained hundreds of thousands of codes, and this process will be complete with the unveiling of the GameHacking.org site revamp.
Yet both of those databases are missing quite literally hundreds of thousands of codes because you simply stole them from the ancient GSCentral (2007) database.

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GameHacking.org always considers code credit to be of the utmost importance, as the reason for our site's creation in the first place was to facilitate proper credit for hackers' work, which wasn't being done at the time in places like CMGSCCC.
Except you stripped thousands of codes of proper code credit and are missing many, many games that GSCentral.org has added since 2007.

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If you'd like additional references to attest to the validity of GameHacking.org's 'side of the story', please contact any of the prominent former members of GSCentral.org, including Parasyte, Viper187, Modman, james0x57, etc.
Of course, contact these individuals that Lazy Bastard knows are biased and most of them were not even on the administrative team at the time that the 'falling out' occurred and half have never been incredibly active at GSCentral.com while the website was even up!

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Also, let me know if you'd like a copy of the first major debate that began this 'rivalry' as I made archival copies of the 3rd-party web pages that contained them.
Which aren't even relevant to the fact that Gamehacking.org stole the GSCentral database from 2007 and that "its" database is sorely out of date and should not even be updated anymore.
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