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Old 06-14-2010, 07:06 PM   #7
Mental Midget Slayer
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Originally Posted by mushroom blue View Post
well, don't we just jump to conclusions?

You don't understand. the people don't elect the president of the united states. the electoral college does. and in only half of the states are those electors tied to voting the way the populace does. the state senates elect the electors. this means the state senates are in charge of who votes the president.

the way the government works, is that the people vote within their state, and the federal government is governed by the states themselves. we all vote for president, but for at least half of us, the vote actually has no bearing on who actually gets into office; which is why I urge people to deal with the branch of government they're supposed to be voting for. I know BBC gives the impression that it's a direct democracy. I'm sorry to have to tell you it's false. the electoral college is swayed by the state governments. and the president is elected by the electoral college.

I am going to vote, but being I no longer live in the United States of America, I'll be filing an overseas ballot, which is counted in the federal tally, but isn't really applied to the electoral college in any way, as I no longer live in a state. so not only is my presidential vote worthless, but I don't have state, county, or local governments to vote for. my vote really doesn't count.

but I vote libertarian usually, when I don't have a full-on anarcho-capitalist running. the libs are a bit too light on the minimization of government for my liking. so I'll probably be voting Bob Barr, for whatever that's worth.

but getting to the original point, if you vote for either of the two totalitarian puppets, you'll still be voting totalitarian. though this point might be lost on someone in the UK; England is second only to China when it comes to government surveillance. you're feeling it every day, so you think it's normal.
London has more Cameras per capital in the world.


Bob Barr or Charles Jay. I am a BTP guy now, yeah some practice this damnation alley economics which makes me want to say, go to the Congo if you like it. War Lords are anarchy results after all.

Lesser of the two evils is still evil was the best, but even that, there aren't even two evils to choose from and the least of evils is likely the best choice. I know I was one in several municipal elections.
Imagine what type of evil that makes the Mayors of Vancouver.

I did so much want to do the Side Show Bob acceptance laugh.

Anyway good on you for saying no to the Obama-McCain bypartisan conspiracy. They confuse people and sell them that bypartisan is the same as non-partisan, total fallacy.

It isn't lost on someone in Canada who feels that Moscow on the Hudson shopping experience when in the states. There is a Republic UK movement as well. An LP.
I like being in a party, in reminds me how great it was being independent.

Actually, since the people elect the electors to represent their choice they do have to vote the wishes. For instance if one reads the constitution it just makes them representative of a state's residential US citizenry's vote. In fact there are supposed to be non-partisan and appointed by congress to represent the will of the state's registered voters. Not appointed by Candidates and Parties as they are now. There weren't party nomination meetings for the president in the beginning either. Federalists and Rep. Democrats had members running in the general election against each other and if 50% of total electors not gained congress made the vote of the top 5 elector winners from their state caucuses with their senators (then appointed and still should be appointed by state congressional bodies). VP to break the tie. It is amazing how many laws they break if you read that thing. Kucinich walks around with it breaking those laws.

Originally Posted by Lillymon View Post
It's exactly this type of thinking that ensures no politician will ever give a shit what you think. You're clearly not going to vote at all, you may as well not exist to them.
Ever heard of separation of powers? The fact that the President is treated like a caucus member is a crime. Is it his fault they hanged the Libertarians, Greens, Independents, BTPs and so on to "Recycle Bin" in the new e-ballot boxes?


Originally Posted by mushroom blue View Post
well, if you enjoy these rules, feel free to vote Democrat or Republican in November. both parties have given you the current fiasco you're now enjoying.

I'm not talking about the president, either. your vote doesn't count when it comes to him. make sure to vote-in the Democrat majority in the house and senate. it's coming in November, and you people can be played like fiddles. the Obama and Pelosi combination will be no better than Bush and Gingrich were in 2001. instead of a moral-majority totalitarian state, you're going to have a fiscally-bloated totalitarian state.

meet the new boss. same as the old boss.

D.C. v. Heller was a wonderful court case. but your owners have proven that armed cattle is still cattle; as long as you're fattened up and stupid, they could give you nuclear weapons and they'd still have nothing to fear.
We need more gridlock or what do they call it, real opposition.


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