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Iconoclast 01-02-2009 02:37 AM

yada yada yada

Either ways here's the new list.
http://www.zophar.net/forums/showgroups.php

But Edman names a third-age member to blow the "classical antiquity" away to [pie land] because of [ice cream]. Why would he buy this site--what's his background here--in the point of his life where he's about to get extremely busy, name some admins, and just [love]? In the middle of some renaissance?

[Anytime now someone is going to make this rash reply with no afterthought but his self-confidence and leave everyone else to rot. It's honestly amusing to see some of you try, what lengths you go through.]

gutzsant 01-02-2009 02:40 AM

It was harsh to demote all CM but me. But what's done is done, for good or for ill.
Regarding inactive CM, how about this? If content managers do not post or update anything within 60 days since their last contribution, they automatically will lose their CM status. They can re-request it without a problem, but if they do nothing for that period, they automatically get demoted and a new position for CM gets open, no excuses and no exceptions. This would ensure that CMs are active and it would not be something personal. One of the problems before is that there were no rules regarding what a CM should do and what where the conditions to keep that status. If it could be done automatically (that ZD recorded contributions) it would be better. But I assume that won't be possible with the current software of ZD. Then, for those who do not post news but work behind the scenes, could make some kind of monthly report, either in a forum or directly to the administrators, just to ensure that we know they are collaborating.
Cornellius' idea about the suggestions board is quite good. Couldn't it be possible to assign a moderator or CM exclusively for checking that forum and implementing new ideas? Edman had that idea when he put it, but after the economic situation, I doubt he has the time to check that place any longer.

Cornellius 01-02-2009 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Iconoclast (Post 85363)
Anytime now someone is going to make this rash reply with no afterthought but his self-confidence and leave everyone else to rot. It's honestly amusing to see some of you try, what lengths you go through.

Hrm... Who was this directed at ? Most posts I've seen in this thread came from people who care about the wellbeing of Zophar's Domain. Call it anger, irrationality, ignorance, or whatever you like, but it doesn't change the fact that everyone brought something important to this discussion.

The 9th Sage 01-02-2009 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cornellius (Post 85359)
But the problem remains: some people will still come only for the title of content manager on ZD, and you'll still end up many inactive content managers (Not saying that all the previous ones were inactive). My two big concerns are:

- The way it has been announced
- Why demote all the staff ?

I wasn't really disagreeing with you. But like Gutzsant said, there's not any way to change it now. As for people who'd come just for the title, there could be that problem. Some I know would be fine though...Space for example, he's around a lot. If he wanted it I'd give him back the content moderator status in a heart beat.

Cornellius 01-02-2009 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The 9th Sage (Post 85367)
I wasn't really disagreeing with you. But like Gutzsant said, there's not any way to change it now.

Oh, I know that, I was just posting my two cents.

Iconoclast 01-02-2009 02:58 PM

For good or for ill--the effect counts mostly more than intentions. For example if in effect no one is now interested there is another problem, which disregards all questions. Space was around, apparently logged off for good now though. If it was known reaper man cared there would be a lot more hope. That's all I'll say on that.

More relieving than else that everyone accepts "what's done is done," except me, who clouded by despair, believe in change. Some places just argue it out to nullity, but on the other hand, with that attitude, aren't we just kinda saying, it's too late, we're screwed

Because I doubt it is, according to what can be changed
Which doesn't include bringing me back necessarily, but it just sounds kinda weird that everyone's sensitive in particular places but inconsistently with others

The 9th Sage 01-02-2009 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconoclast (Post 85390)
Because I doubt it is, according to what can be changed
Which doesn't include bringing me back necessarily, but it just sounds kinda weird that everyone's sensitive in particular places but inconsistently with others

Actually, I believe he was thinking about asking you if you wanted to do the N64 emulators.

Shadow 01-02-2009 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gutzsant (Post 85364)
If content managers do not post or update anything within 60 days since their last contribution, they automatically will lose their CM status. They can re-request it without a problem, but if they do nothing for that period, they automatically get demoted and a new position for CM gets open, no excuses and no exceptions. This would ensure that CMs are active and it would not be something personal. One of the problems before is that there were no rules regarding what a CM should do and what where the conditions to keep that status. If it could be done automatically (that ZD recorded contributions) it would be better. But I assume that won't be possible with the current software of ZD.

Time based rights management? Well I actually program this kind of PHP script. I tell you when I'm finished so you can take a look. But don't ask about release dates. In your case it would be necessary to hack the page scripts to implement the wanted feature.

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Originally Posted by gutzsant (Post 85364)
Then, for those who do not post news but work behind the scenes, could make some kind of monthly report, either in a forum or directly to the administrators, just to ensure that we know they are collaborating.

Nice idea, but it doesn't work. I made this an order in my last company. People don't want it. Never expect people to be active. You have to be an active leader and talk to your team in regular schedules!

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Originally Posted by gutzsant (Post 85364)
Cornellius' idea about the suggestions board is quite good. Couldn't it be possible to assign a moderator or CM exclusively for checking that forum and implementing new ideas?

Checking ideas AND implementing? So you expect a full blown web developer to be in the frontline of user expectations? That's a little bit too much.
You won't find anyone doing this for free.

But you can collect all ideas and then all 3 months you make a public survey asking which idea should be implemented.


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Originally Posted by gutzsant (Post 85364)
Edman had that idea when he put it, but after the economic situation, I doubt he has the time to check that place any longer.

Wait a sec...? If the page itself is in danger don't hesitate to ask for a server! Just to avoid such a scenario your team should think about mirroring...

Iconoclast 01-03-2009 03:19 AM

He did? He might have, but it didn't look like it. Three-or-so days ago I pmed him this

"Hi Reaper man,

I'm still up for maintenance on at least N64 updates, and as far as plugins go it looks like there may actually be some news updates since dead old 2008 for the HLE scene."

Just no reply, it's ok either way, nothing wrong with it

gutzsant 01-03-2009 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadow (Post 85399)
Nice idea, but it doesn't work. I made this an order in my last company. People don't want it. Never expect people to be active. You have to be an active leader and talk to your team in regular schedules!

I would really like to trust in us being active without having to be reminded of our duties. After all, we all do this voluntarly because we want.
If that's not possible then I hope that this can be done by software. And if we can't be active, we should step down ourselves without having to wait to be demoted by others.

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Originally Posted by Shadow (Post 85399)
Checking ideas AND implementing? So you expect a full blown web developer to be in the frontline of user expectations? That's a little bit too much.
You won't find anyone doing this for free.
But you can collect all ideas and then all 3 months you make a public survey asking which idea should be implemented.

I merely meant that someone could regularly check the users suggestions, answer questions and discuss how feasible they are. ZD has a lot that can be improved, but it seems all ideas are still in the air. By having one person to check them regularly, discuss them and present them to the users, CMs, moderators and Edman, we basically would be keeping an ordered record of all the possible changes instead of randomly thinking what could be implemented. It's not as if we could currently modify many things without Edman anyway.

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Originally Posted by Shadow (Post 85399)
Wait a sec...? If the page itself is in danger don't hesitate to ask for a server! Just to avoid such a scenario your team should think about mirroring...

As far as I know, the page itself is not in danger, merely stalled. If I understood correctly, Edman simply has too many problems with his real life company (and I suspect that the current economic crisis doesn't help), which means he essentially has left the page in charge of two administrators (who happen to have limited power to modify things like the forum software) and has forgotten all that he planned before. It's also evident by the fact that he doesn't log-in often since some months ago. Several of the needed updates can only be done by Edman, such as updating the forum software. For the moment, we do what we can with the available resources.


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