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Cornellius 08-11-2008 05:01 AM

Delete the non-working news posters, and a list of the staff members
 
- Delete the news posters who aren't posting news.
- Ask for a minimum of news for about, let's say, a week, or a month, I dunno.

- It would be nice to have a list of the staff members on the main page, kinda like the old ZD.

Apophis 08-11-2008 03:35 PM

I second the staff list.

Rattlehead 09-09-2008 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cornellius (Post 81460)
- Delete the news posters who aren't posting news.
- Ask for a minimum of news for about, let's say, a week, or a month, I dunno.

- It would be nice to have a list of the staff members on the main page, kinda like the old ZD.

Well, I would post news. However, one of two things usually happens:

1. Someone beats me to a story.
2. Life intervenes and throws school, friends, and family my way.

I guess that I just don't know where to look for a news story.

Iconoclast 09-09-2008 04:41 AM

"- Delete the news posters who aren't posting news."
Hey hey what the hell is this? I'm not posting news because there's no true emulator updates for the N64. Instead I'm uploading USF soundtracks as HCS adds them around every week or more, and I fixed the N64 emulators section, added some plugins and utilities, etcetera. I can't be that useless. Now there are definitely some potential news articles for the N64, but topics like "Project64 may be coming back to life" just ain't it. silly oxen glueing their eyes on screen disregarding facts

We already have a staff list.
http://www.zophar.net/forums/showgroups.php

It's the vBulletin system; every forum index links to it.

Reaper man 09-09-2008 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconoclast (Post 82367)
"- Delete the news posters who aren't posting news."
Hey hey what the hell is this? I'm not posting news because there's no true emulator updates for the N64. Instead I'm uploading USF soundtracks as HCS adds them around every week or more, and I fixed the N64 emulators section, added some plugins and utilities, etcetera. I can't be that useless. Now there are definitely some potential news articles for the N64, but topics like "Project64 may be coming back to life" just ain't it. silly oxen glueing their eyes on screen disregarding facts

We already have a staff list.
http://www.zophar.net/forums/showgroups.php

It's the vBulletin system; every forum index links to it.

well perhaps you should take on another section. Perhaps a more active one?

or here's an idea. Maybe posting some news that isn't being covered by anyone else? Don't just limt yourself to your particular section

hcs 09-09-2008 10:20 AM

Back when I was running it I would post USF archive updates as news. 'course, they were coming a bit faster then and I could batch them...

Cornellius 09-09-2008 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconoclast (Post 82367)
"- Delete the news posters who aren't posting news."
Hey hey what the hell is this? I'm not posting news because there's no true emulator updates for the N64. Instead I'm uploading USF soundtracks as HCS adds them around every week or more, and I fixed the N64 emulators section, added some plugins and utilities, etcetera. I can't be that useless. Now there are definitely some potential news articles for the N64, but topics like "Project64 may be coming back to life" just ain't it. silly oxen glueing their eyes on screen disregarding facts

I'm not talking only about you. In fact, when I made this post, I wasn't thinking about you at all. There's some people who did not post anything. Not a single word from them. I know that the Nintendo 64 scene isn't as active as it used to be, but like it has been said, don't limit yourself to that section or to emulators. You can post any cool things that have to do with the Nintendo 64. You can also ask to maintain another section if you want to.

This post was mainly about the ones who never posted a word, who are here only "for the title".

How about anyone staffer could post any news about any section on a private forum (available only to staffers), and then, have a person or two write them on the main page. I'm suggesting this if someone was tired of doing one particular section, or if the section one's maintaining isn't very active at the moment.

It's just that we re-created Zophar in order to keep it alive. In the 1996-2000 era, Zophar's Domain was far more active, but then, so were the emulators.

As for the staff list, where did you find that link ? Edman should make it available on the main page. If it's already there, it's well hidden.

Iconoclast 09-10-2008 03:21 AM

This isn't about self-limitation. Of course if you want you can--change or work on a different field--but this shouldn't be that complex: If there is an emulator update post news. In fact silence is also acceptable; some content managers might be waiting for user feedback and care. It's not likely...just as you said if certainly they're only wanting the title but appear inactive as well there's no reason not to delete them; only then is there a valid idea as to why to delete them.

It's the forums index page. I very rarely use it since the New Posts link is tons easier, but /forums/index.php has those kinds of links and statistics.

Cornellius 09-10-2008 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconoclast (Post 82397)
just as you said if certainly they're only wanting the title but appear inactive as well there's no reason not to delete them;

But then again, why keep them ?

Iconoclast 09-10-2008 03:28 AM

Well in that perspective there's not enough info. Even if it's been a year who knows if they're waiting for something or for sure why they haven't did anything to content. If Edman doesn't have the patience it's up to him / not us. Bear in mind these people were actually willing to contact him and answer his question and probably are subject to some kind of disregard for activity. We only know there's enough info when they like abuse the privelege or something.

Rattlehead 09-10-2008 03:39 AM

Wait...so we can post news about game systems, and not just the emulators and the like?

Cornellius 09-10-2008 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rattlehead (Post 82405)
Wait...so we can post news about game systems, and not just the emulators and the like?

Well, I'm for it, because emulators aren't as active as they used to be.

Rattlehead 09-10-2008 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cornellius (Post 82410)
Well, I'm for it, because emulators aren't as active as they used to be.

It sounds like an awesome idea, but I'd be a little skittish of doing it until Edman (or whoever the hell is running the site right now) gives me the all-clear.

Umiliphus 09-10-2008 11:51 PM

Edman hasn't even logged into the forum in a month, much less issued any edicts. I think it's safe to assume he either really trusts his content managers or simply does not care what they do.
Unless he's been kidnapped, murdered, or worse, but I generally wait for the second full month of absence to suspect that.

Iconoclast 09-11-2008 12:24 AM

Before he went on vacation he assigned some super moderators, so he probably does trust them pretty well. It sure looked like he cared. I never got why many forum admins attend their own forums infrequently; I know they all had optimism in common.

Since not all emulation- or system-related discoveries and inventions are published it could be wise to consistently post news on only emulator updates.

Cornellius 09-11-2008 12:54 AM

Well, in my opinion, anything that is "video games" related is fine.

Umiliphus 09-11-2008 01:01 AM

I suppose he'd have to care to pay money for such a thing, ehhh?
Well whatever the case is I don't think it's worth waiting for that person to reappear and approve or nay-say minor changes in policy because it doesn't look like he's going to very soon.

Rattlehead 09-12-2008 10:20 PM

Well...okay, then. That brings me to another question. Would major non-hardware news, such as when Final Fantasy XIII was announced for the Xbox 360, be considered postable news? I think posts about massively popular franchises (i.e.: Super Mario Bros., Halo, Final Fantasy, etc.) would be okay, right?

Iconoclast 09-12-2008 10:43 PM

Perhaps instead a Gaming News forum.

Cornellius 09-12-2008 10:53 PM

I'm with Rattlehead on this one. I'm for posting any games related news on the main page. If you're posting only about emulators, the main page won't be updated often because emulators aren't as active as they used to be. News like "PS3 price drop annouced", or "Final Fantasy XIII to be out the (insert date)", or even "New Wii firmware available", are very pertinent news.

Either rename "Emulation news" to "Gaming news", or create a new forum called "Gaming news".

Iconoclast 09-12-2008 10:59 PM

They are still updated often even though emulation hasn't grown any younger.
http://www.zophar.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=15

Even if it wouldn't jumble what this site was created to keep track of from the gaming news posts due to fewer emulator updates it's still inconsistent tracing to the beginning. Whatever source these kinds of news you instantiated came from would have been a long better source; trying to emulate those sources since now could only dishonor. As a very old site choosing to update factual news of evidential emulator releases it's a dramatic change.

Cornellius 09-12-2008 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconoclast (Post 82515)
They are still updated often even though emulation hasn't grown any younger.
http://www.zophar.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=15

Even if it wouldn't jumble what this site was created to keep track of from the gaming news posts due to fewer emulator updates it's still inconsistent tracing to the beginning. Whatever source these kinds of news you instantiated came from would have been a long better source; trying to emulate those sources since now could only dishonor. As a very old site choosing to update factual news of evidential emulator releases it's a dramatic change.

I haven't said a word about emulating the sources. Just visit the Zsnes, Snes9x, or any other emulator web pages once per day to see if there's a new version. Of course, to copy news from other emulation sites is wrong. All I've is to add any gaming news to the main page, and keep the emulation news, of course.

Iconoclast 09-12-2008 11:09 PM

Of course the news posted on initially-dedicated gaming news sites is not a primary resource; they as well as magazines and newspapers are only secondary resources. It is understandable to cite primary sources or any secondary sources usually.

At the very least the gaming news should be separated from the emulator news, as people value this site for different reasons. To me the best approach for this is to create a forum within zophar.net/forum instead; posting gaming news on the front page is posting it where people who know what this site was started for may look every day for updates.

Cornellius 09-12-2008 11:14 PM

Don't be afraid of change, that's a lesson I've learned in life. Also, if more people come to us for updates, it's good. I mean, that was the mains goal of the site after all. Now comes the part of being good at searching for news and keep the rhythm.

Iconoclast 09-12-2008 11:26 PM

It can be done through hard work. Such a dramating change may begin so late. I am always changing; life has nothing constant.

But they must somehow be divided into categories for emulators and gaming. They can still be on the home page mixed together. I am probably one of the few here who would pity a multipurpose site that designed a specialty in one purpose but makes mistakes in the others. If gaming news is replicated here it should be done without preventable mistakes, but few people would it dishonor. This idea depends on the outlook on ignorance.

Rattlehead 09-12-2008 11:58 PM

How about we have labels for "Gaming" news posts and "Emulation" news posts, visible on the main page. Or, we could select which type of article it is (using good judgment and common sense) and have different colored backgrounds for the posts on the main page. For example, if I post a "Gaming" article, my post's background color would be dark green. If I post an "Emulation" article, then the story's background color is dark blue. It's just an idea.

Also, about the story's source: We could either offer a link to the original story, or we could just list the source under the article's body. Of course, we'd obviously have to write the story ourselves, not do a CTRL+X/CTRL+V drive-by. All just ideas, nothing more. n_n

Iconoclast 09-13-2008 12:05 AM

nope needs division on at least one page

Letting the jumble be on the main page is pretty acceptable if there is enough work put into it to not disappoint people to take a second longer to see only the emulator release news. Some people have no respect for gaming news by learning through secondary sources, but emulator releases are primarily online. And this is an old website.

Rattlehead 09-13-2008 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconoclast (Post 82528)
nope needs division on at least one page

Letting the jumble be on the main page is pretty acceptable if there is enough work put into it to not disappoint people to take a second longer to see only the emulator release news. Some people have no respect for gaming news by learning through secondary sources, but emulator releases are primarily online. And this is an old website.

So lemme get this straight...you're against submitting non-emulation news, even if it is a major announcement and you only want news specifically about emulator releases posted. Not that I'm trying to sound smartass-ish, because I'm just trying to understand this all right now...for serious.

Rebuttal time, I guess. It's pretty hard to find out about new emulators released online when you're a 17-year-old high school senior, you have quite a few friends, you have a large extended family that have birthdays every freaking month, you're actively searching for a job, and on top of all of that, you're crazy in the head and go to therapy every week. I'm all of the above. It's a lot easier for me find out about and write articles about new gaming hardware and major software announcements, than scour the Internet at 2:00 A.M. looking for new emulators to announce. Okay, I'm off of my soapbox now.

I'm not trying to make excuses or be an ass about it, but life hasn't dealt me the best hand of cards this round, so...I dunno.

Iconoclast 09-13-2008 05:24 PM

Already Cornellius' poll has been answered No a significant number of times. Long-time members who have contributed to emulation like hcs probably don't need this dramatic-step in based on no business concern without Edman's consent. If this is your reasoning it is only to silence the preservance of other members.

This is another factor as well. Am I against this? I suppose you never noticed that, but now I return to my original standpoint. This is up to Edman and those here who do work related to emulation engineering as to whether this main cause is to be half-silenced with the sure desires of only a couple of members. Site update frequency (e.g. not many emulator releases) is also not important as long as it matches the progress that has happened.

All I said is that some division between these kinds of news must be. As the representative of this new idea your oversensitivity to my view tells me to return to my point before.

Cornellius 09-13-2008 05:54 PM

I created the poll yesterday, give it more time. You should also stop living in the past. I've been here since the creation of Zophar's domain, but I was using another nickname before 2001.

"This is up to Edman and those here who do work related to emulation engineering as to whether this main cause is to be half-silenced with the sure desires of only a couple of members."

Let the users tell you what they really want. After having heard what they want and what they've said, you'll be able to do the actions you judge best, but at least, take some time and listen to the community. I'm not asking to accept any user's demands, but you have to at least listen to all of them. I know that the staffers and moderators are doing the work here, and that Edman have the last word, but you have to take user response in consideration when making your choices. This is a site for the public, and the public is the judge.

hcs 09-13-2008 06:30 PM

I'd just like to note that my "no" vote was merely personal preference. Many sites I visit are of the low update variety, and I get my general video game news from other sources.
But I realize that this is a new ZD, and the old one died rather than match the slower pace of emulation development, and it's true that I haven't been around as long as Corny, so as much as I love to be talked about let's not use me as a point of discussion.

Cornellius 09-13-2008 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hcs (Post 82586)
I'd just like to note that my "no" vote was merely personal preference. Many sites I visit are of the low update variety, and I get my general video game news from other sources.
But I realize that this is a new ZD, and the old one died rather than match the slower pace of emulation development, and it's true that I haven't been around as long as Corny, so as much as I love to be talked about let's not use me as a point of discussion.

Oh, I'm sure you had your reasons for voting no, and I have no problem with that.

Iconoclast 09-13-2008 06:45 PM

I know the poll is far from finished.

If there is even one negative answer to the idea even Edman approving it has the risk of losing members. As the oldest known (to me) emulation site forgetting about old values will lose that value by losing old members.

Cornellius 09-13-2008 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconoclast (Post 82588)
I know the poll is far from finished.

If there is even one negative answer to the idea even Edman approving it has the risk of losing members. As the oldest known (to me) emulation site forgetting about old values will lose that value by losing old members.

We already lost these old members when ZD stopped posting news and started to die. Some stayed, some went to others pages to get their emulation news. I'm not asking to stop posting news about emulators, just asking to post also post some news about gaming in general.

Iconoclast 09-13-2008 11:18 PM

Xeon3D might have left, but by using some number of people who left compared to those who stayed this site's standing is completely ignored. For that reason the change is so dramatic the judgment of the entire site will be altered. This is just foolish until more than two people are firmly confident about the idea, so it was wise to start a poll.

Cornellius 09-13-2008 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconoclast (Post 82591)
Xeon3D might have left, but by using some number of people who left compared to those who stayed this site's standing is completely ignored. For that reason the change is so dramatic the judgment of the entire site will be altered. This is just foolish until more than two people are firmly confident about the idea, so it was wise to start a poll.

Hrm... A lot more staffers quit when ZD went on hiatus, not just Xeon. There was a time where ZD was known to be a message board, and after a place for emulation news. I don't know why some stopped looking for news, but it was really sad to see that the last news were posted almost 3 years before the current date. Not only some staffers quit, but some people of the community also. If they came back at the ZD's revival, that I don't know. Go look the staff personal icons thread and tell me how many of them you remember.

Iconoclast 09-14-2008 12:08 AM

Zero at least...I only know Xeon3D left after this "Renaissance" period began. I was invited here by a fellow moderator somewhere else. That site is in this site's stage before Edman picked it up from SwampGas.

Every number counts however. Such criticism for your debate is mere insensitivity to the guests who can see this thread. It is not impossible for someone who knew this site as it once was to not be here to challenge this idea. So far the poll response posts were only critical at worst, but we will see. I only expected caution.

Rattlehead 09-14-2008 05:56 AM

Speaking of Edman...if he never comes back, what then?

Iconoclast 09-14-2008 06:17 AM

Then there's going to be a lot of reading.

He did say once he read all new threads anyway. I'm not sure I believe that...in fact anyone who uses the forum index page is going to have a hard time complying to that check.

Soon before I reported that the USF track that didn't reupload wasn't the GBA one he reuploaded instead he left for vacation. But that's alright; if he gets back we'll know he's alive. It probably won't take him like that long to scan through the attention threads for him. And hey, this kind of thing has happened a lot of times, the admin leaving for a while and not coming back for a long time.

We just need to hope he's alive and that he sees the problems (unless he is alive but just doesn't log on ever again :D which kind of turns the tables).

Umiliphus 09-14-2008 07:48 AM

What sort of vacation was it? Is he a contestant on Big Brother or something?

Iconoclast 09-14-2008 08:36 PM

I have no idea; none of his posts suggested along those lines. If you want you can search his final posts through his profile, but if I remember right he simply went on vacation. He seemed a bit rash.

Cornellius 09-14-2008 11:29 PM

I think that Edman is an evil mastermind, and we're all part of a social experiment.

Iconoclast 09-15-2008 12:30 AM

Now that's brainstorming.

ka-BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!
Sorry guys my gf's just been keeping me soooooooooo busy.

no

Umiliphus 09-15-2008 01:23 AM

Sounds like Doomtrain.

Cornellius 09-15-2008 04:14 PM

Ready to conquer the world, sir !

The 9th Sage 09-15-2008 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cornellius (Post 82664)
Ready to conquer the world, sir !

But what are we going to do tommorow night?

Cornellius 09-15-2008 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The 9th Sage (Post 82668)
But what are we going to do tommorow night?

Steal all the cows in the world, of course. Only with the power of the cows immortality can be achieved.

Iconoclast 09-16-2008 12:11 AM

I was but then all the backflipping colon D chickens left. :(

http://www.zophar.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9652

Congratulations to him for such activity. I was ready to post this morning, but right when I clicked the news forum the server timed my limited DNS out.

This has been getting worse every day...lasting for initially half an hour to now six hours. I might just completely lose my association here. Next minute I had to go to school.

Devil's Luck, that's me. I don't hate seeing that he beat me to it; I'm just sick of seeing the vaguely probable occur right in front of my face like every day. To see them come true is just so irritating, but that is just me. not to forget all the good luck I get

Rattlehead 09-17-2008 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Umiliphus (Post 82645)
Sounds like Doomtrain.

Those goddamn GFs! Oh, wait...we weren't talking about FFVIII. Oops, my bad.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cornellius (Post 82669)
Steal all the cows in the world, of course. Only with the power of the cows immortality can be achieved.

This reminds me oddly of Cornholio. He needs TP for his bunghole, you know.

Cornellius 10-15-2008 02:25 AM

Hey, for the staffers who are hiding, give Gutzsant a hand for god sake :P If you don't have enough time to put on ZD, tell the mods so they can bring other who have more time. It's nothing to be shameful about, it happens.

Reaper man 10-15-2008 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cornellius (Post 83507)
Hey, for the staffers who are hiding, give Gutzsant a hand for god sake :P If you don't have enough time to put on ZD, tell the mods so they can bring other who have more time. It's nothing to be shameful about, it happens.

Actually I've been thinking about pruning the staff list myself. There are way too many content managers that haven't done shit at all. Hell they haven't even posted.
Hopefully after that we'll have a more accurate look of the staff here.

Update: I pruned a good portion of users that had 0 posts (I didn't delete them mind you, I only removed them from the group). There are a few on here that were here for a little while, then just disappeared (one of them was probably my doing, ha!)
I'll send PMs to them later to see if they still are going to contribute or not.


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