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pipes 12-19-2009 01:16 PM

Finding a job
 
How does one go about finding a job? I stay at shitty jobs for years too long to know. What is your strategy? Why is careerbuilder, and the like, a joke? Fuck staffing agencies.

shawn 12-19-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pipes (Post 96568)
How does one go about finding a job? I stay at shitty jobs for years too long to know. What is your strategy? Why is careerbuilder, and the like, a joke? Fuck staffing agencies.

I've been at the same pretty low paying job for years because the bosses are great and understanding when you are having a bad day. I do know though that a lot of time like the saying goes "It's who you know" that matters more than anything. A good referral is worth it's weight in gold from the right person and is the best way to get even a chance at a good job and an interview where they are looking for how much you know not what you are trying to hide that was falsified on the application.

The other way is to just keep going back over and over to the place you want to work. It seems strange but unless you have a crappy application to them it shows you focus on your goals and are relentless in attaining them "positive action/thinking".

Reaper man 12-19-2009 02:25 PM

I'm sticking this becasue I'd like to know as well, particularly IT jobs, not shit retail/food industry ones.... also renaming topic because I can.

toasterhed 12-24-2009 09:53 PM

Hitting the nail on the head...
 
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Originally Posted by Reaper man (Post 96570)
not shit retail/food industry ones.... .

Agreed. :mystery:

Sliver-X 03-20-2010 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper man (Post 96570)
I'm sticking this becasue I'd like to know as well, particularly IT jobs, not shit retail/food industry ones.... also renaming topic because I can.

I work in IT...

Certifications will go further than most anything for landing an IT job. The A+, Network+, MCITP and CCNA would land you most any non-programming IT job if you have them all.

A+ alone is basically bare minimum, so worry about it first before anything else.

Reaper man 03-20-2010 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sliver-X (Post 98289)
I work in IT...

Certifications will go further than most anything for landing an IT job.

I have an associates degree in computer engineering.... and I've been told that certs are getting less and less relevant.

Sliver-X 03-21-2010 02:07 PM

Yeah, I have the same degree, and my certs have proven to be far more valuable than it for landing the jobs I've had since getting it.

Employers like the fact that certs *prove* you at least know a minimum baseline of things they'll want you to do. A degree certainly helps (And you'll need a bachelor's, most likely, if you ever want to move into management), but certs becoming less relavent is certainly news to me: In fact, I'd say the opposite is true.

OldNESJunkie 03-22-2010 03:12 AM

Employers in my area pretty much have gotten to the point if you have a cert it doesn't mean a thing. You still have to have the experience behind it or you are not getting the job.............period.

pipes 03-31-2010 01:13 AM

$40 to $60 a year with a degree or $20 to $30 with certifications

cbxweb 05-13-2010 09:40 AM

I live in LA. Nothing makes sense. You could get a job as a media buyer with limited experience or have a Bachelor be required for a $12hr job.

pipes 05-13-2010 01:16 PM

HOLY SHIT!!! (to reaper man's satisfaction) YOU'RE STILL AROUND!!!... and in LA:erm:

My thought, now that I am out of school for a few months, is to think of the latest popular software and make it. The problem is that I can't think of anything.:crying:

Reaper man 05-14-2010 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pipes (Post 99349)
HOLY SHIT!!! (to reaper man's satisfaction) YOU'RE STILL AROUND!!!... and in LA:erm:

Wait, huh?

pipes 05-14-2010 03:50 PM

HOLY SHIT!!! YOUR STILL AROUND!!!... and in LA:bigthumbup:

The 9th Sage 05-15-2010 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pipes (Post 99382)
HOLY SHIT!!! YOUR STILL AROUND!!!... and in LA:bigthumbup:

I concur fully with this statement.

Gotgull 05-15-2010 05:38 PM

I think you should be working at or at least know someone at a company where they have IT jobs available before getting certain certifications, that would probably help because you would know what kind of certification you need and you may need some hands on training to get certified in some cases.

You can check here for more info on A+ certification.

Shadow 05-18-2010 03:44 PM

Well, I have no degree, just a finished apprenticeship where I earned around 500$ per month. It's been a tough start, but I climbed up the career ladder pretty fast. Now I have my first own employee.

The most important thing is not where you start, but to start at all.
After study or apprenticeship look for a job in your industry.
Stay at this job at least for a year or two. Work and learn, gain experience. Then change the company if you want to rise. It's okay to demand some more money in the next job. Level up again for about 1-2 years. Apply for a higher ranked job. Repeat.

Oh something you should keep in mind: always take companies with good customers. These are your future references! Never complain about too much work or hard tasks. The tougher the projects you survive the more experience you get.

Doesn't that remind you of a game? Yes! It is! Some kind of a game. Level up get all items and beat the bosses. ;)

The better the degree the higher the start income. Nothing more nothing less.
In the end people don't look at the degree anymore when they are shocked by your outstanding references, used technologies, leadership experience, connections in the industry etc....

Today companies try to hire me. But most of the time I have to reject them, because I'm already booked for a project.

Certificates are a nice plus to gain the superiority over comparable competitors for the same job. So if you are not in a outstanding position it's definitely making the difference.

If you are clever you get the certificates paid by your first employers.
Otherwise they might be very expensive, so you have to calculate whether it's worth the try.

Oh yes! Keep up good relations to your former companies. You'll never know when you will need them again. Maybe you come back as a high paid specialist for some mission critical tasks.

D-- 05-25-2010 04:51 PM

I have stayed at the same newspaper for four years because it is depends on me way too much.

Consequentially, my employers do not care when I decide to skip work on Monday and Tuesday—provided of course I still get my work done at the same quality and do not fuck up the production schedule on Wednesday–Thursday.

The job gives me free time for more freelance work and my hobbies while giving me a modest but steady pay my wife and I can depend on each month.

My only complaint is that getting vacation time is insanely difficult. Five-day weekends do not count for shit when you have to travel 8,211 miles to visit your family.

supergamer 06-21-2010 09:56 AM

God bless you guys with the rates you receive in America, cbx, if you were ever to come to Australia your job as a media person would be a rate of $20-$30 per hour. Anyone with a qualification gets a good pay.

On the other hand even having a qualification can not always get you anywhere... I'm in that boat at the moment fresh out of college and no one will take me :(

Goku 08-19-2010 03:24 AM

I lucked out
 
I applied to for an IT Tech job to a union. It was an unknown position for the union and i was one of only 4 people who applied for 4 positions. Hence to say, i got a position w/o an interview. I am now full time with the company and have great benefits (they covered 75 percent of the cost of my laser eye surgery)

coolie 09-23-2011 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pipes (Post 96568)
How does one go about finding a job? I stay at shitty jobs for years too long to know. What is your strategy? Why is careerbuilder, and the like, a joke? Fuck staffing agencies.

Finding a job in this economy is BRUTAL. Mostly because HR-folks are very risk-averse with candidates these days. If you haven't done such-and-such a job before, they won't hire you.

However.

The best way to succeed in job searching is to really know who you want to work for. If you know which companies will suit your skill-set and personality the best, it'll make your life a lot easier.

So first off, you'll begin to create a personal brand. Figure out who YOU are, and what skills/personality you can bring to an employer. It's like you're a product on a store shelf. Can your skills and personality fit the employer's need? If so, they'll think about buying (hiring) you.

The resume becomes one of the three key parts of personal branding. It's basically the "first-look" an employer gets of you, kind of like the box of a shiny new toy. If the description of you fits what they want, they'll move onto the product review (i.e. the cover letter).

The cover letter is nothing more than a explanation of how your skills EXACTLY fit the job you're applying to. It doesn't (and shouldn't be too long). My best cover letters are heavily bullet-ed, and are about 3/4 of a page long (maybe less). They more or less focus on achievements, and how your abilities make a company money. It's all a dog-and-pony show. HR people are extremely afraid of making a bad hiring choice, so the less risky you seem, the better.

The final part of your branding is in the interview phase. People want to work with people who are affable and non-threatening. Look professional, be extremely courteous, and show how un-risky it is to hire you. Interviews are big "When in Rome' situations. However people are acting, imitate it. They want to hire someone who will be an easy fit. Be sure to have a conversation with your interviewer, and don't just recite your resume. If the interviewer begins to like you, you're already 90% of the way to being hired.

These are some things I've picked up in my job searches, and I hope it helps!

D-- 09-29-2011 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by coolie (Post 103637)
The best way to succeed in job searching is to really know who you want to work for. If you know which companies will suit your skill-set and personality the best, it'll make your life a lot easier.

Know anyone who wants to hire a Chinese-speaking English editor and tech culture reporter who moonlights as a hacker, Hungarian cook and photographer?

Yeah, I don't think anywhere suits my skill set either.

Shadow 10-15-2011 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by D-- (Post 103672)
Know anyone who wants to hire a Chinese-speaking English editor and tech culture reporter who moonlights as a hacker, Hungarian cook and photographer?

Yeah, I don't think anywhere suits my skill set either.

I would if my company was already in China. If my customers need someone like you I'll be back and send you a message. :D


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