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Demon_Kreed 06-15-2004 10:15 PM

FF8: PSX or PC?
 
Well I used to intensively dislike this game, but I'm going to give it another shot. My question is this, does the game looks better running on ePSXe, or would the PC version be better?

Also, are there any knowned problem with either version?

Thanks.

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puzzl 06-16-2004 12:27 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> Well I used to intensively dislike this game, but I'm going
> to give it another shot. My question is this, does the game
> looks better running on ePSXe, or would the PC version be
> better?


Well, if you're gonna use the computer either way, i say go with the PC version. Should run better than under ePSXe.

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JCE3000GT 06-16-2004 12:31 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
PC version's graphics are more clean and crisp.

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Demon_Kreed 06-16-2004 03:29 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
Thanks...one thing in favor of the PSx version, though, is that it doesnt take nearly as much space. About 650-700mb per CD, one CD at a time....versus around 2gb+ for the PC. I keep running out of space. Oh well, I'll just use the one I can get first.


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ShadowMage 06-16-2004 04:44 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> PC version's graphics are more clean and crisp.

But assuming he has a decent enough computer, wouldn't the PSX version look better with the right video settings?

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puzzl 06-16-2004 05:17 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> But assuming he has a decent enough computer, wouldn't the
> PSX version look better with the right video settings?

No, because compared to a real playstation, the PCs graphics are better, so the best ePSXe graphics settings won't look as good as the PC version.

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Lobster Cowboy 06-16-2004 06:17 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
i recall hearing that text looked a litte odd on the PC version of the game, but i could be wrong.

personally speaking, i think the game would be more fun to play on a real playstation in front of a TV

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packardmelan 06-16-2004 07:37 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
I think it's also from a music standpoint. If I recall, FF8 PC uses MIDI (I used to own it, but I hated FF8 so I gave it away years ago) while the PS game uses Redbook Audio, right?

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Lobster Cowboy 06-16-2004 07:45 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
they both use midi, i believe

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maq112k2 06-16-2004 08:40 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> they both use midi, i believe

FF8 PC used MIDI, and I believe that FF8-PSX used the standard PlayStation audio, as the MiniPSF files are availble for download. If you can find the MIDI for the PC version, you can compare them.

http://www.zophar.net/psf/FF8_minipsf.rar

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Demon_Kreed 06-16-2004 11:45 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> > PSX version look better with the right video settings?
>
> No, because compared to a real playstation, the PCs graphics
> are better, so the best ePSXe graphics settings won't look
> as good as the PC version.

That made no sense...ePSXe makes games look much better than on the real PSX. So even if the PC looks better than the real PSX, ePSXe might be even better. Unless I misunderstood your statement.

Thanks for the answers, I'm still undecided though. Gah! I'll look for a PC demo and see what it looks like.

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puzzl 06-17-2004 03:40 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> ePSXe makes games look much better than
> on the real PSX. So even if the PC looks better than the
> real PSX, ePSXe might be even better.

really? I've never seen ePSXe put out something better looking than the real thing. Maybe similar, but certainly not better. I guess i need to experiment with different plugins or something.

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hcs 06-17-2004 05:00 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> That made no sense...ePSXe makes games look much better than
> on the real PSX. So even if the PC looks better than the
> real PSX, ePSXe might be even better. Unless I misunderstood
> your statement.

This is a guess from someone who knows nothing about the game, but I know that the N64 was crippled by a small texture cache which forced the use of low-quality textures. No matter how good the emulating system is you can't improve this (short of using the 2D image enhancement filters on the textures themselves, but even then you can't invent data). If there was a PC version of the same game, though, it might have higher resolution textures for the more flexible PC graphics system.

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Reaper man 06-17-2004 12:01 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> This is a guess from someone who knows nothing about the
> game, but I know that the N64

what does the N64 have to do with this?

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puzzl 06-17-2004 02:55 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
>
> what does the N64 have to do with this?
>
He's just showing an example of how an emulator wont look better than the real thing, or something like that.

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Cornellius 06-17-2004 05:19 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
Yeah, emus will never look like the REAL thing. There will always be some 'little' flaws.

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MooglyGuy 06-17-2004 07:08 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> Yeah, emus will never look like the REAL thing. There will
> always be some 'little' flaws.

Wrong.

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thegodofhellfire 06-17-2004 08:00 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> Wrong.

Honestly dude, a little common courtesy wouldn't go amiss. I wouldn't speak to anyone on the internet any differently than I would to their face. And if you're prepared to speak to blameless strangers (however mistaken) like that in person, as you so often do here, well shame on you.

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Cornellius 06-17-2004 09:43 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
Well I still believe what I said and also agree with what thegodofhellfire said.


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Demon_Kreed 06-17-2004 11:43 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> Yeah, emus will never look like the REAL thing. There will
> always be some 'little' flaws.

No offense, but emulators *do* make the games look *much* better than the real games. Either you have not done it yet, or you used the wrong plugings/wrong configurations.

ePSXe +
Pete'S OGL 1.75 GPU (latest as of now) +
Eternal SPU +
scph1001 BIOS .

Turn on 2xSaI, Bilinear filtering (the first one looks best), Alpha Multi Pass, Advanced Blending, put all that in 1024x768 (or higher), turn on Anti-aliasing in your control panel (not from the emu), and you'll never go back to your real PSX.

Yes, in certain games there are flaws, mostly minor but it happens. Those flaws usually show on pre-rendered backgrounds. Some say that using a multiple of the PSX's innate resolution (320x240) does the trick - I havent tried yet.

As for 3D graphics...well, you have to see to believe. A 3D-only game = very nice.

In any case, the only reason I can see for using the real PSX is that its more comfortable than being on a computer chair, and you're not tempted to cheat (save-states or GS codes). And of course, you need a PC gamepad or you're stuck using your keyboard (which works well, but isnt comfortable)

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Cornellius 06-18-2004 01:53 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
No offense dude, but you need to READ. I haven't said that they can't be better than the actual systems. I said that emus will never be EXACTLY LIKE the system.

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The 9th Sage 06-18-2004 02:37 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> He's just showing an example of how an emulator wont look
> better than the real thing, or something like that.

What he's saying is that a game console is limited by it's hardware (whatever those limitations may be) wheras a PC, by it's very nature (being upgradeable, etc etc), is not.

Therefore a PC version of a PSX game could in theory look much nicer than the PSX version running on the console itself.

Now, as far as emulators go, what he is also saying is that the emulator is limited in some ways by the hardware it is emulating. Rules can be bent (like using filters such as hq2x to improve graphics, or resampling the audio) but still the emulator has to be able to EMULATE (mimick in other words) the original hardware, and is still bound by it's rules in some ways.

Very soon I will be obtaining my Phd in Emulation 101, so you will have to refer to me as Dr Ian from now on. :P


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puzzl 06-18-2004 03:21 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> Very soon I will be obtaining my Phd in Emulation 101, so
> you will have to refer to me as Dr Ian from now on. :P

yes sir, Dr.
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thanks for clearing that up.

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Demon_Kreed 06-18-2004 06:01 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> No offense dude, but you need to READ. I haven't said that
> they can't be better than the actual systems. I said that
> emus will never be EXACTLY LIKE the system.

Guess I misunderstood you then. I stil dont see your point though. What does it matter whether its exactly like it or not? Its kinda like saying "its not grey like the real one". No, its not...so what. Ah well, its not important :)


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Ernst 06-18-2004 06:17 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> Turn on 2xSaI, Bilinear filtering (the first one looks
> best), Alpha Multi Pass, Advanced Blending, put all that in
> 1024x768 (or higher), turn on Anti-aliasing in your control
> panel (not from the emu), and you'll never go back to your
> real PSX.

To avoid funky looking backgrounds and sprites you should not use 1024x768, but 1280x960 as it is the exact doubble of 640x480.

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MooglyGuy 06-18-2004 06:31 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> I said that
> emus will never be EXACTLY LIKE the system.

Again, that statement is incorrect in the case of 2D arcade systems and even some 3D arcade systems.

Properly-emulated tilemaps and sprites with the proper colour PROMs (which describes most of the 2D games supported by MAME) will provide pixel-perfect graphics. Furthermore, MAME's support for various sound cores such as the AY-3-8910, POKEY, and the YM2xxx and YM3xxx series of chips is sample-perfect in that the output of the sound cores perfectly matches the output of an actual chip.

MooglyGuy 06-18-2004 06:33 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> Now, as far as emulators go, what he is also saying is that
> Very soon I will be obtaining my Phd in Emulation 101, so
> you will have to refer to me as Dr Ian from now on. :P

But that'll be too confusing, I've already known a Dr. Ian for years on http://www.gscentral.com/vb/index.phpGSCentral</a>! <img src=smilies/laff.gif>

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hcs 06-18-2004 08:54 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> Rules can be bent (like using filters such as
> hq2x to improve graphics, or resampling the audio) but still
> the emulator has to be able to EMULATE (mimick in other
> words) the original hardware, and is still bound by it's
> rules in some ways.

Yet another example is how some NES emulators allow all 64 sprites to be shown on a single scanline, while the NES can only handle 8. While this works for a lot of games, some (the Mega Man series, IIRC) manage the 8 sprite per line limit in software. There was some discussion a while ago as to how an emulator could work around this...but I don't think a satisfactory conclusion was reached.

By the way, does anyone know if this was actually the issue with FF8, or is it a matter of imperfect emulation?

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Demon_Kreed 06-18-2004 11:08 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> To avoid funky looking backgrounds and sprites you should
> not use 1024x768, but 1280x960 as it is the exact doubble of
> 640x480.

That's one thing I havent tried yet, I'll give it a shot whenever possible.

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Cornellius 06-19-2004 02:03 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
Again, I still think I am right.

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The 9th Sage 06-19-2004 02:56 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> But that'll be too confusing, I've already known a Dr. Ian
> for years on GSCentral!

Bah, he's not the REAL Dr. Ian, I am.

Well, if you prefer, call me Dr. Z or something. :P


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MooglyGuy 06-19-2004 05:40 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> Again, I still think I am right.

Clearly, you are delusional and don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

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ShadowMage 06-19-2004 06:49 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> Well, if you prefer, call me Dr. Z or something. :P

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Cornellius 06-20-2004 02:48 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
Oh, someone have a different opinion than mine ! He must be a fucktard ! /UMM

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MooglyGuy 06-20-2004 04:18 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> Oh, someone have a different opinion than mine ! He must be
> a fucktard ! /UMM

Oh, I refuse to listen to logic and many well-documented cases where it's perfectly possible to have pixel-perfect accuracy when emulating things! I must be right, and I shall refuse to listen to even the most clearly laid-out responses - especially those citing MAME - that try to suggest otherwise! Besides, I haven't even bothered to explain what sort of emulation I'm talking about - whether it's emulation on the gate level, which is obviously impossible, or whether it's emulation on a pixel-accuracy and sample-accuracy level, wherein it's perfectly possible! /Cornellius

Cornellius 06-20-2004 04:26 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
Dude, is it so hard to take the fact that other people may have different opinion than you ?

UMM said: Clearly, you are delusional.

Which sort of reply have you expected with these sort of replies ? This is a message board, you can't expect anyone to agree with you. The fact that someone have a different opinion than you doesn't make that person a stupid person.

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MooglyGuy 06-20-2004 04:35 AM

Like I said on IRC, just to clarify...
 
You're correct if you mean that perfect emulation at a gate level is impossible, because that would be far to complex for any computer in the forseeable future to handle. Perfect emulation in the sense that all of the pixels are the exact same RGB value and the exact same position and the sound samples are the exact same levels at the exact same times for the exact same inputs on the equivalent original hardware is possible, and has been done on numerous occasions by MAME.

However, console emulation is different in that as opposed to arcade hardware where you only have, at most, around fifty games running on specific hardware, you have several hundred if not over a thousand. Invariably, you will have games that discover loopholes in the hardware, ways to push the hardware beyond its original specification, undocumented features in the hardware, glitches in the hardware, and so on. Therefore, yes, at first a console emulator will not be perfect, that's true. However, it's then the emulator author's duty to research these undocumented hardware features or hardware glitches, and implement them in the emulator.

This has not been done yet in many (if any) console emulators except for the very early consoles, simply because most of the authors are focused on quantity rather than quality. So you're right, as of yet there are no perfect GameBoy emulators, or Playstation emulators, or SNES emulators, or NES emulators, and so on. However, to say that it is not possible to be perfect is incorrect.

Anyway, sorry I was such a fucking dickwad towards you. <img src=smilies/cwm10.gif>

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The 9th Sage 06-20-2004 05:19 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
http://www.zophar.net/wwwthreads/att...al&Post=231501

Oh god, that's even better! <img src=smilies/laff.gif>

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packardmelan 06-22-2004 07:57 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> Very soon I will be obtaining my Phd in Emulation 101, so
> you will have to refer to me as Dr Ian from now on. :P
>
I think it's penis envy.

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The 9th Sage 06-23-2004 02:30 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> I think it's penis envy.

If that's the case, then who's penis am I envying?

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MooglyGuy 06-23-2004 02:50 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> > I think it's penis envy.
>
> If that's the case, then who's penis am I envying?

Mine.

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The 9th Sage 06-23-2004 03:22 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> Mine.

But you're a moogle. Everyone knows that Moogle's have small penises.


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packardmelan 06-23-2004 08:28 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> But you're a moogle. Everyone knows that Moogle's have
> small penises.

But he's got that big 'bobble' or whatever on the top of his head.

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The 9th Sage 06-23-2004 10:43 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> But he's got that big 'bobble' or whatever on the top of his
> head.

How do you know I don't? You've never seen a picture of me. :P


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thegodofhellfire 06-23-2004 10:49 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> How do you know I don't? You've never seen a picture of me. :P

What? Well if it's not you, who's that in your avatar?

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The 9th Sage 06-23-2004 10:54 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> What? Well if it's not you, who's that in your avatar?

The Old Man from the beginning of Zelda 1. The one that gives you the wooden sword. Haven't you ever played Zelda before?


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thegodofhellfire 06-23-2004 10:58 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> The Old Man from the beginning of Zelda 1. The one that
> gives you the wooden sword. Haven't you ever played Zelda
> before?

Actually, yes, but only long enough to figure out that it's THE HARDEST GAME EVER. Forgive me for not recognising him.

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The 9th Sage 06-23-2004 11:07 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> Actually, yes, but only long enough to figure out that it's
> THE HARDEST GAME EVER. Forgive me for not recognising him.

It's ok. I'm just a Legend of Zelda freak is all. I hope I didn't sound like I was yelling at you for something as trivial as not remembering the old guy from Zelda 1. :P


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hcs 06-24-2004 04:11 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
Didn't the old man look more like this?
http://www.zophar.net/wwwthreads/att...al&Post=232067
Where'd your image come from?

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Lillymon 06-24-2004 06:00 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> Didn't the old man look more like this?
>
> Where'd your image come from?

At a guess, I'd say the Bandai Satellaview SNES version.

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packardmelan 06-24-2004 11:00 PM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> Didn't the old man look more like this?
>
> Where'd your image come from?

I'm going to assume the BS "remix" version of Zelda.

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The 9th Sage 06-25-2004 03:14 AM

Re: FF8: PSX or PC?
 
> Didn't the old man look more like this?
>
> Where'd your image come from?

BS Zelda, with the hq3x filter activated in Zsnes. It's sweetness.

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The 9th Sage 06-25-2004 03:15 AM

This is unrelated, but...
 
I like your sig. When I noticed it a second ago, I had to stop what I was doing and just watch it travel the length of my screen. lol I don't know why either.

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AkaneJones 06-25-2004 07:55 AM

Re: This is unrelated, but...
 
She haisted it from another board member apon ditching it. I'll let you guess who.

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Goku 06-25-2004 09:16 PM

PC
 
The story in Final Fantasy 8 is actually top notch. It is the magic draw system and the summon monster animations that kill the game. You can go online and grab a trainer so you do not have to sit and draw spells all day long. The gameplay improves greatly with the trainer.

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Reaper man 06-25-2004 09:41 PM

Re: PC
 
> It is the magic draw system and the summon monster animations that
> kill the game.

am I the ONLY one who liked the magic draw system?

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puzzl 06-25-2004 10:52 PM

Re: PC
 
> am I the ONLY one who liked the magic draw system?

no, i liked it as well. However, there were some parts of the game that it's a fucking pain, but it's overall cool.

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Reaper man 06-25-2004 11:21 PM

Re: PC
 
> there were some parts of the game that it's a fucking pain

not as much as FFX *coughblitzballcoughlightningdodgingcoughchocobora cingcoughcough*

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Lillymon 06-26-2004 12:02 AM

Re: PC
 
> not as much as FFX

The Catcher Chocobo minigame had me infuriated for about an hours, at which time I finally cracked it. Blitzball I could probably handle. Lightning dodging would probably take me days.

But even after investing EIGHTY SEVEN HOURS into the game, I'm going to have to start from scratch. Why? Lost my memory card. I should've made a backup? Well I did have a second card, but guess what? I LOST THAT TOO!!!!!

*Curls up into a ball and cries*

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Reaper man 06-26-2004 01:11 AM

Re: PC
 
> *Curls up into a ball and cries*

awwww *huggles lillymon*


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The 9th Sage 06-26-2004 01:38 AM

Re: This is unrelated, but...
 
> She haisted it from another board member apon ditching it.
> I'll let you guess who.

Was it Antonio Banderas?

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No, but seriously, it's a neat sig, wherever it came from.

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MooglyGuy 06-26-2004 05:25 PM

Re: PC
 
> > *Curls up into a ball and cries*
>
> awwww *huggles lillymon*

Careful, mang, she one crazy beetch! She gonna cutcher balls off, mang. <img src=smilies/eek13.gif>

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