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AkaneJones 06-27-2004 08:51 PM

Re: Make the news page several tables
 
Funny that but every site I've ever seen uses table code some where in that page if it isn't flat page/controled by frames or flash. Nintendo's Website uses them, ZD Uses them, Rpgamer uses them, F&C's page uses them, Mink's page uses them, Peach Princess uses them, Deep Discount DVD uses them even Google uses one. Hell ever message board is loaded with table html code. Show me a page that has no < table > code anywhere on the page that isn't code in flash, none HTML that isn't simple and flat.

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SwampGas 06-27-2004 09:33 PM

Nice
 
So make a design.

Everyone always talks smack...and NO ONE does anything. I don't believe a word anyone says anymore....everyone is a liar and talking shit until I SEE something. Until I *SEE* a new design, everyone is full of shit. I've been hearing "ooh this is how you do it" and "ooh I have an idea" since 1998.

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AkaneJones 06-27-2004 09:35 PM

Re: Make the news page several tables
 
Pff! I hate style sheets, they force you program in a langage above standard HTML by creating complete new set of identiffers and buches of extra style sheet pages and I maintain the fact that you can't program in standard HTML without tables. CSS is just an excuse to use a table with font control from a style sheet rather than a the single html page. They do the exact same thing they control a box, while it does add the other style sheet crap, it more of a pain to code and only give you the advantage of reloading it anytime, but only if your ever going to use that style sheet again.

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Arson 06-27-2004 09:44 PM

Re: Make the news page several tables
 
> Show me a page that has no < table > code
> anywhere on the page that isn't code in flash, none HTML
> that isn't simple and flat.

http://www.romhacking.comRomhacking.com</a> has a design that ZD's content could easily be ported into without having to change the look of the page at all, yet it uses 0 tables and renders much faster.

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AkaneJones 06-27-2004 09:47 PM

Re: Nice
 
You've got apoint, I'm not coding a thing, but I don't maintain I could fix it. However people who do never try.
But considering the load time would a style sheet really fix the problem since outside data is taking so long to load in the first place, I'd imgine the same problem would occur. But then I don't know java or css that's being imployed on the page, though I'd take a guess and say it was the cause of the slowness.

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Arson 06-27-2004 09:53 PM

And here are some better examples...
 
http://www.voxmachina.comVox Machina</a> not only has no tables what-so-ever, it even has four completely different skins to choose from.

And the http://www.w3.orgWorld Wide Web Consortium</a>, the group who sets the standards for HTML, and is in fact headed by Tim Berners-Lee, the guy who CREATED HTML and the WWW, uses no tables on it's main page either. Why? Because as the people who create the standards for writing good HTML, they're obligated to adhere to those standards.

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Arson 06-27-2004 09:54 PM

Re: Nice
 
What about the time that InVerse redesigned the site and Zophar and everyone else on the staff approved of it but you, who weren't even running the site at the time but were an admin for the host, threatened to shut down the site if it were implemented because you didn't like the color scheme?

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AkaneJones 06-27-2004 10:08 PM

Re: And here are some better examples...
 
Funny Java script and Style Sheets.. try again with out using java, or loading data from a style sheet.

Try finding a page that uses self contained data without java, while load data from another page is a neat trick. Div which just load the style sheet data is being used the same a table, since CSS is giving for page box control, which is assentualy a table.

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king killa 06-27-2004 10:13 PM

Re: And here are some better examples...
 
> Try finding a page that uses self contained data without
> java, while load data from another page is a neat trick. Div
> which just load the style sheet data is being used the same
> a table, since CSS is giving for page box control, which is
> assentualy a table.
>

uh, the fact that it is controlled by an outside CSS file is the freakin' point.

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juggaleaux 06-27-2004 10:51 PM

Re: Nice
 
> But considering the load time would a style sheet really fix
> the problem since outside data is taking so long to load in
> the first place, I'd imgine the same problem would occur.

You, sir, are a tard.

Slow page load comes from excess table/tr/td code bloating the html.
Using a stylesheet allows you to free up a lot of that bloat, what with the code being stored one time in the css file.

As usual, Arson is right on the money here.


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