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Lenophis 05-16-2007 07:17 AM

Now thinking about copyright infrigment will send you to jail
 
Welcome to the new world, led (mostly) by the RIAA.

Nevermind the issues that are poverty, healthcare, and all that nonsense. We need to take on the real problem, movie and music pirates. God fucking damn, what the hell is wrong with the idiots running this place?

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And let's also not forget that America isn't even really a central hub of piracy...

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Mikey 05-16-2007 08:31 AM

Re: Now thinking about copyright infrigment will send you to jail
 
That is absolutely insane.

Why in the hell should software pirates get worse sentences than rapists and murderers? Life imprisonment is insane.
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SamIAm 05-16-2007 09:18 AM

Re: Now thinking about copyright infrigment will send you to jail
 
> Welcome to the new world, led (mostly) by the RIAA.

As much as I feel that the RIAA and all those guys are a bunch of meanie stupidheads, I also feel that people who think that the current digital free-for-all should continue as it is are being every bit as unreasonable. There has to be a compromise if we want to keep being able to pass stuff around for free.

I've been thinking, what if the law changed so that everything older than 5 years could be freely distributed, in data form? In trade, harsh penalties and aggressive policing could be applied toward those who traffic everything under that?

The industry big-wigs would probably hate the idea, but surely they must realize the difference between the people who won't support their business and the people who don't think they should have to buy Robert Redford yet another square inch of Utah if they want to watch The Sting. They're not going to get out of the file-sharing hole until they either fight a long, agonizing and antagonizing battle with everyone, or until they make a deal with this latter group.
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shawn 05-16-2007 12:27 PM

Re: Now thinking about copyright infrigment will send you to jail
 
I almost agree. I think 10 years or more since I do believe since there are a lot of movies on vhs and dvd for rent and as reruns they are still making money on recent work but most stuff after that is usually just rented very occasionally and by someone who is just feeling memorable.

Now as for reselling their content, that should be totally against the law and fineable at maybe 5 to 10 times the cost of buying the content when it was originally released on DVD or whatever format. So say you sold win98 that would be a $500 fine per copy sold but not to the content owner but to the court and used for some charitable reason or to reduce the national debt. A music CD would be like $100 per CD.

Now making a copy for a personal use should be fine at anytime and for a friend maybe but not making a 100 of them and just giving them away on the street to anyone. Now as for file sharing on Kazaa or some other service it should not be a problem since I have downloaded stuff from my teen years and early adulthood that I just wanted to hear again that the radio seldom if ever plays and you can't find in stores. Try to find a song by The Monkees on the radio or in a store, it would be very very hard to do and it was something I liked when I was like 5 or 6 years old and I just wanted to hear one day to make me smile.

This is definitely a law made by lawyers working for multimillionaires that own multibillion dollar companies and is way to extreme and totally off the mark. Sure people shouldn't pass around a new album or movie freely and make some company lose their shirt on a huge investment of time and money and all the others involved that make a living in that business including the artist. On the other hand like stated earlier no one should go to jail for more time than a rapist or murderer for passing some music out that may be older than some members here that does not injure anyone directly except maybe losing a little profit that is actually a guess since a lot of people that download or upload this stuff may never have bought it in the first place because it was to highly priced or they are just basically dirt poor and can barely afford the money to go online.

This law is so wrong it isn't funny and anyone that votes for it should be voted out of office for not representing all the people in thier area and not just the richest ones with lobbiest in a fair and just manner.

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Lenophis 05-16-2007 07:16 PM

Re: Now thinking about copyright infrigment will send you to jail
 
<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>

As much as I feel that the RIAA and all those guys are a bunch of meanie stupidheads, I also feel that people who think that the current digital free-for-all should continue as it is are being every bit as unreasonable. There has to be a compromise if we want to keep being able to pass stuff around for free.

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While that does seem like a nice idea in theory, there's a couple of problems with it:

1: America is not the central hub or source of the piracy. Going after our boys when we aren't even the source makes no sense.
2: There's no real way to realistically police it. Other countries often times don't give a shit about American laws, and there's no international law for this.

I see no good coming out of this for anybody. It's the rich guy getting richer flipping everybody off, the collector that'll flip you off and collect anyway, and the actual pirates way way way over there not getting hit by this.
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Vampire hunter D 05-16-2007 10:02 PM

Re: Now thinking about copyright infrigment will send you to jail
 
Oh for fuck's sake. I am getting really sick of the RIAA. If anything, the people who run our country should lock the whole lot of them up with rapists and murderers, let's see how those fat cats think then.
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icenine0 05-16-2007 10:48 PM

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When USENET and IRC go down, we'll know the wild net frontier is on its way out.
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The 9th Sage 05-17-2007 04:26 AM

Re: Now thinking about copyright infrigment will send you to jail
 
> Welcome to the new world, led (mostly) by the RIAA.

No kidding. At least I can say from what I've read that some people are starting to fight back against the RIAA's dumb lawsuits....we can only hope that they start getting charged for every frivolous lawsuit they start.
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shawn 05-17-2007 12:11 PM

Re: Now thinking about copyright infrigment will send you to jail
 
> > Welcome to the new world, led (mostly) by the RIAA.

> No kidding. At least I can say from what I've read that
> some people are starting to fight back against the RIAA's
> dumb lawsuits....we can only hope that they start getting
> charged for every frivolous lawsuit they start.

I think they are pissed because a judge recently told them they couldn't do multiple lawsuits at one time. His reason was it was one crime since it was different files on different p2p clients in different states and some of the users said they were innoncient. He said if was infringing on thier civil right grouping everyone together since some may be guilty and some may be innocient and by grouping them he wouldn't be able to separate the guilty from the innocient. I guess that would have taken much more time than they were willing to give so they are now pushing this law instead. Makes sense but now even if it passes I think it'll be political suicide passing this law since anyone voting for this is showing they are so in the riaa's back pocket since the DMCA was not just copyright infringement but a group of different laws all mixed and this law is made for a very specific group indeed and cannot be seen as garage door openers secrets or something like that, at least it seems that was to me. The guy that brought forward this law should have every computer user in his state and college kid screaming for his removal from office at the voting booth. He is such a bitch for doing this. <img src=smilies/cwm11.gif>
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SamIAm 05-17-2007 10:28 PM

Re: Now thinking about copyright infrigment will send you to jail
 
> 1: America is not the central hub or source of the piracy.
> Going after our boys when we aren't even the source makes no
> sense.

> 2: There's no real way to realistically police it. Other
> countries often times don't give a shit about American laws,
> and there's no international law for this.

That's just it, though; I would wager that not too many more years are going to go by before some very important and pro-active laws regarding file sharing get worked into international copyright code. It may be next to impossible to regulate anything now because the sharing is so decentralized, but in the long run, every government that considers itself a member of the global community is going to want some rules established and enforced about all of this. I believe that our best shot isn't to resist those rules outright, but to compromise, and thereby have a hand in making those rules ourselves.
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