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(wraith_) 06-14-2005 11:47 PM

Beggar Prince Translation
 
It's great when employees of Superfighter LLC Co Corp can have free advertising for a pay product on emulation sites, when they clearly have no intention of creating something that runs on said emulators, and turn around and call us a bunch of kiddies.

I was all for supporting the project until I read that.

F You, Death Adder.

punjman 06-14-2005 11:50 PM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
Hey cool.. I remember Zophar.net had a messageboard just like that.

Ahh those were the good ol' days, waiting for CPS2 emulation..

The 9th Sage 06-15-2005 01:15 AM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
> It's great when employees of Superfighter LLC Co Corp can
> have free advertising for a pay product on emulation sites,
> when they clearly have no intention of creating something
> that runs on said emulators, and turn around and call us a
> bunch of kiddies.

Yeah, I find the free advertising pretty stupid as well. Oh wow, a new news post for the first time in awhile, but what is it? An ad for their commercial release of this game...now, the info is interesting but using the front page for personal advertising? I wonder what would've happened to me had I done that during my short run as a staffer.

SwampGas 06-15-2005 02:02 AM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
> Yeah, I find the free advertising pretty stupid as well. Oh
> wow, a new news post for the first time in awhile, but what
> is it? An ad for their commercial release of this
> game...now, the info is interesting but using the front page
> for personal advertising? I wonder what would've happened
> to me had I done that during my short run as a staffer.

I get paid $5,000 per month for those news post ads you see. I'm just dandy with them being on there.

The 9th Sage 06-15-2005 03:16 AM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
> I get paid $5,000 per month for those news post ads you see.
> I'm just dandy with them being on there.

I'm not talking about the Google Ads or any of the other ones....is that what you are talking about?

Fla Flash 06-15-2005 03:39 AM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
Two points.
You just went up 199% in my respect for you.
F you Death Adder.
You do it cause you love it, or don't. Don't try and make money off it.
This is the shit that pisses me off.

punjman 06-15-2005 03:42 AM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
What kind of game is this?

hcs 06-15-2005 03:52 AM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
Holy shit, he's charging for it?
Offtopic somewhat, but does anyone mind that my last few posts have only had to do with my USF projects? I can just quietly add them to the archive if I offend anyone, but I'm just not able/willing to keep up with the news.

SwampGas 06-15-2005 04:00 AM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
> I'm not talking about the Google Ads or any of the other
> ones....is that what you are talking about?

No. I said "news post ads", which means the news posts.

CEpeep 06-15-2005 04:16 AM

Insight?
 
I think it's awesome that they're releasing it on the console. That's very awesome. On the other hand, when they refuse to release a patch for anyone who wants to play it without the console, that seems stupid. I'd be more interested in learning DA's reason for doing this. I suspect it has to do with the project being "officially supported" by C&E. They probably would not have been able to do that if they planned to release it as a patch. Having the support of the original designers is very cool and it's nice to see a company embrace that. I'd certainly buy a copy of this if I still had my Genesis.

D-- 06-15-2005 05:31 AM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
> What kind of game is this?

Genesis RPG.

One of the extremely few.

D-- 06-15-2005 05:36 AM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
> Two points.
> You just went up 199% in my respect for you.
> F you Death Adder.
> You do it cause you love it, or don't. Don't try and make
> money off it.
> This is the shit that pisses me off.

Fuck you Square Enix.
You do it cause you love it, or don't. Don't try to make money off it.
This is the shit pisses me off.

The nerve of a company to think it can sell a game that it had to buy license for, hire translators for, hire programmers for and generally spend a lot of money banking on at least meeting costs in sales.

(And if we're going to talk about non-commercial, fan made translations, none of you had a problem with DeJap collecting thousands of dollars in PayPal donations and never releasing anything at all for the next year, or ChrisRPG begging for and receiving thousands of dollars of computer hardware -- most of which is far more advanced than is needed for the kind of hacking RPGOne does ...)

Kitsune Sniper 06-15-2005 07:13 AM

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> (And if we're going to talk about non-commercial, fan made translations, none of you had a problem with DeJap collecting thousands of dollars in PayPal donations and never releasing anything at all for the next year, or ChrisRPG begging for and receiving thousands of dollars of computer hardware -- most of which is far more advanced than is needed for the kind of hacking RPGOne does ...)

I'm gonna fucking hate myself in the morning.

...

You're just jealous. There's no fucking possible way that anyone could harbor such hatred or disgust for another person just because they get donations. And to be honest, that is the only real reason that you seem to broadcast every time you say that they were wrong for asking for donations.

It's -their fans-. THEY willingly gave them money. No one forced them to. You just can't handle the fact that they got money they needed at the time.

However knowing you you'll just start giving off a longwinded reply and start attacking me for saying this so eh. I said my part.

Spinner 8 06-15-2005 08:20 AM

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> none of you had a problem with DeJap
> collecting thousands of dollars in PayPal donations and
> never releasing anything at all for the next year, or
> ChrisRPG begging for and receiving thousands of dollars of
> computer hardware

The difference is that Dark Force and ChrisRPG did not alienate their fanbase by calling them elite teenagers and software pirates on their own message board :P

D-- 06-15-2005 08:41 AM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
> You're just jealous. There's no fucking possible way that
> anyone could harbor such hatred or disgust for another
> person just because they get donations. And to be honest,
> that is the only real reason that you seem to broadcast
> every time you say that they were wrong for asking for
> donations.

You're not the first to suggest that.

I'm not going to comment on what Death Adder said on your board, but I will agree that The Whirlpool was no a good place to go to announce commercial game translations since it's always covered fan translation stuff.

I was just responding to Fla Flash condeming someone for selling what they own and have proper licensing to sell.

Fan translations, to my knowledge with the only exception being Dojin-nyuu's Akuji patch, never are actually licensed by the original creators. Even in Akuji's case since it's a Freeware game I don't think there were sales rights involved.

D-- 06-15-2005 08:48 AM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
> The difference is that Dark Force and ChrisRPG did not
> alienate their fanbase by calling them elite teenagers and
> software pirates on their own message board :P

I don't think The Whirlpool is exactly Super Fighter Team's fanbase. I honestly don't know why Deather Adder posted there since commercial game news generally belongs at other sites. It's not like The Whirlpool reports on every damn game to commercially come here from Japan, it's a database for unlicensed fan translation works.

As I said to Kitsune in the post below, I replied to Fla Flash because this was in regards to his post, not (wraith)'s original topic.

Fla Flash 06-15-2005 04:48 PM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
I understand where you're coming from, but using a translation message board and calling the people that support you 'pirates' is kinda low.
If he hadn't done that, I'd have had no problem whatsoever with it.
To be honest, it's a wee bit over the top.I just didn't see the point to that at all.
The whole community (emulation) sure ain't what it used to be.
What's next? Romhackers aquiring licenses for games, hacking them and selling them?
I don't think so.

D-- 06-15-2005 07:13 PM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
> I understand where you're coming from, but using a
> translation message board and calling the people that
> support you 'pirates' is kinda low.

Aside from wraith or Spinner8 buying Magna Carta (Sorry, I can't remember who, but good news anyway -- the script is finally translated. I knew handing the project off to someone else was the only way it was going to get done.) and a few legit copies of Windows XP, I'm not sure the statement is all that inaccurate regardless of how harsh it sounds ...

> What's next? Romhackers aquiring licenses for games, hacking
> them and selling them?
> I don't think so.

I'm not really following you here ... Though I think that would actually be a good thing and preferable to the current state of donation begging. Imagine getting a company set up that officially brought over all these games no one had a chance to play before.

If someone pulled off a retail release instead of online ordering like OlderGames.com it would mean far more people having a chance to play and people actually being able to do something their like for a job.

... Or were you referring to level and sprite hacks?

Fla Flash 06-15-2005 09:08 PM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
Sprite and Level hacks would have no business doing that. (Some level hacks, however are the exception).
I can see to a certain extent, your viewpoint. I wouldn't do that, but I can see where some hacks (Zelda: Outlands, for example) would be worth paying for. But I don't know how anybody'd get the money to pay for the license. I prefer to do my hacking for fun.
Just my 2 cents.

D-- 06-15-2005 09:22 PM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
Well, again, I was more referring to translation work. If someone is going to commercially purchase the license and distribution rights to a game and translate it with the intent of commercial sale, I think you'd have to be a little batty to say they can't do that since it's supposed to be for fun. If that were true, Working Designs wouldn't even exist.

(And games might survive horrible script mutilations and Wheaties jokes ...)

Spinner 8 06-15-2005 10:40 PM

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> Aside from wraith or Spinner8 buying Magna Carta (Sorry, I
> can't remember who

that was wraith. I was the one who bought bloody bride. :P

D-- 06-15-2005 11:08 PM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
> that was wraith. I was the one who bought bloody bride. :P

Well ... either way, pass the message I guess.

I don't know if there's a way to actually bootleg that game yet. All existing bootlegs break as soon as you update the EXE to 1.04 (which the translation requires). Maybe Alcohol will handle it if you mount the CD since it's Starforce 2.0. With Starforce 3.0 games like Fantasia Sanguo, Heroine Anthem II or Legend of the Swordsman & Fairy II you actually need to unhook all your IDE CD-ROM devices manually (even shutting them off in the BIOS won't work), othewise it ignores your emulated CD device.

That reminds me, I need to install Heroine Anthem II again later. I'm curious if it will be possible to pull off this trick on my laptop since I don't even have an IDE CD-ROM device, my entire drive just pulls out the side of the machine. I'd love to be able to play it off my hard disk because I hate how much wear it puts on both my drive and key disc to always need it in the drive.

A manner of removing protection from a Starforce EXE has yet to be found. Thousands of Chinese pirates still haven't found a way aside from stupid things you have to do to your machine to eek by with CD emulation.

The 9th Sage 06-16-2005 01:55 AM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
> No. I said "news post ads", which means the news posts.

I see...

The 9th Sage 06-16-2005 01:57 AM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
> The difference is that Dark Force and ChrisRPG did not
> alienate their fanbase by calling them elite teenagers and
> software pirates on their own message board :P

The PayPal donations are different, too, in my head...completely optional. Hell, I donated some money to Loopy...great PocketNES emulator I use all the time, and great work on the Nintendo DS firmware.

The 9th Sage 06-16-2005 02:03 AM

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> (And games might survive horrible script mutilations and
> Wheaties jokes ...)

I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth, but what kind of cheesy puff is that? O_o

Lenophis 06-16-2005 04:39 AM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>

Offtopic somewhat, but does anyone mind that my last few posts have only had to do with my USF projects? I can just quietly add them to the archive if I offend anyone, but I'm just not able/willing to keep up with the news.

<hr></blockquote>
Do what I do: If there aren't enough to warrant news, keep track of that, but when more are uploaded that would warrant news (cause there's like 5 or 6 of them) then you can make one giant news post. <img src=smilies/thumb.gif> Give that a try and see what happens.

hcs 06-16-2005 06:34 AM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
> Do what I do...

Ok, that's what I'm doing now (I'm waiting on the Blast Corps release until I have another batch ready).

Blade556 06-16-2005 03:31 PM

How do we beat him at his own game?
 
By translating our own version first <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>. What kind of money will he make then?

Stupid punk.

EDIT: Oh yeah, you won't find the ROM by looking for "Beggar Prince". I found the untranslated ROM by googling this:

新乞丐王子

The GoodGEN name for the rom is this: Xin_Qi_Gai_Wang_Zi_(Ch).zip
(There are 2 of them, but the other is [a1], whatever that means...)

Hope the developers out there have fun with it.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Blade556 on 06/16/05 10:59 AM.</FONT></P>

D-- 06-16-2005 07:53 PM

Re: How do we beat him at his own game?
 
> The GoodGEN name for the rom is this:
> Xin_Qi_Gai_Wang_Zi_(Ch).zip
> (There are 2 of them, but the other is [a1], whatever that
> means...)

a1 refers to an alternate dump. However, there are no alternate dumps of the game.

90% of the Genesis alternate dumps have been caused by someone hacking the SEGA string in an interleaved rum, and the code in GoodGen not being intelligent enough to correct that. Usually patching those two bytes back to SG in the header are enough to fix the game and revean a previously declared alternate ROM as identical to the original.

Atma 06-16-2005 10:53 PM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
> I was just responding to Fla Flash condeming someone for
> selling what they own and have proper licensing to sell.

It wont be released in Australia, so I dont give a fuck. I'll probably end up playing it when it gets dumped and cracked anyways, that's about it.

If it were to actually get a release in more than one place it *might* warrant looking at, but it wont, so end of story.


D-- 06-17-2005 04:41 AM

Re: Beggar Prince Translation
 
> If it were to actually get a release in more than one place
> it *might* warrant looking at, but it wont, so end of story.

Supposedly it maybe sold in Germany too, no idea about the UK. You would need to ask Death Adder about it.

Blade556 06-17-2005 02:30 PM

Re: How do we beat him at his own game?
 
Well, at least we now know what the ROM is called so translators can translate it and distribute it for free...You won't find it as Beggar Prince, and to be honest, I think the actual translation is The Prince and the Pauper...Not too sure on that one, though...

D-- 06-18-2005 08:30 AM

Re: How do we beat him at his own game?
 
> Well, at least we now know what the ROM is called so
> translators can translate it and distribute it for
> free...You won't find it as Beggar Prince, and to be honest,
> I think the actual translation is The Prince and the
> Pauper...Not too sure on that one, though ...

Beggar Prince is the literal translation of the title. However, Beggar Prince is the way Mark Twain's book, The Prince and the Pauper, is rendered into Chinese.

I think it's really, really funny you think you can translate a Chinese Megadrive RPG (three strikes against it) that doesn't even completely play in emulators (multiple impassable crashes) within two months :P

But then again, what would I know about the game ...

mrfreeze 06-18-2005 09:11 PM

Re: How do we beat him at his own game?
 
You know, all this bullshit started because DeathAdder decided to go batshit and insult a large part of the games prospective market. I vote we all just pretend that he never opened his damn mouth, and go on from there. The game actually looks pretty awesome to me, and if I actually have $10 at some point in the future, I could potentially see myself ordering it.

Fla Flash 06-18-2005 10:05 PM

Re: How do we beat him at his own game?
 
Good for you, you go ahead.
It's bad enough he's insulted the people he wants to buy the game by calling them pirates, but to put a news article up here at ZD so he gets more free advertising?
Sorry.
Wouldn't bother me if he lost his shirt. I'll burn in New Jer-um, hell before I buy it.

mrfreeze 06-18-2005 10:10 PM

Re: How do we beat him at his own game?
 
> Wouldn't bother me if he lost his shirt. I'll burn in New
> Jer-um, hell before I buy it.
>
I don't think the fact that Death Adder is a cock is in dispute here Flash . I merely said the game looks cool. Besides, when the hell do I ever have a spare $10?
*edit* And I thought it was 5 grand advertising?<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by mrfreeze on 06/18/05 05:13 PM.</FONT></P>


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