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Xeon3D 08-10-2008 10:18 PM

PYP Thread! Must see! L@@K! Can't Miss!
 
Hello.

Since I got your attention, welcome to the one and only ZD Post Your Pic Thread. The thread where the only thing to do is ... guess...

*drums rumbling*
Post a photo of yourself! and wait for the *cough* marvellous comments that are going to follow *cough*
*audience is surprised*

So, without further delay, let the fun begin...

http://pics.hi5.com/userpics/360/455/455744360.img.jpg

Now let's see those damn ugly faces :D

Reaper man 08-13-2008 07:32 AM

ok, you guys are going to have to settle for a B&W photo of me that my girlfriend took a month ago. I'll probably provide a more recent one at some point.

I scaled it down, but it's still a bit huge. If I get any complaints, I'll thumbnail it.

anyway, here you go. :3


*hands the female members a fresh pair of panties*

;p

Lemunde 08-13-2008 07:40 AM

Sorry, I never show my face on the internet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...a/IMG_5130.jpg

Xeon3D 08-13-2008 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemunde (Post 81587)
Sorry, I never show my face on the internet.

Then you could probably delete your post... why the fuck would you post in a post your photo thread, if the photo was not showing shit?

Reaper: You look almost exactly like I thought you would, only a tad wee bit younger... you're a kiddo...

Reaper man 08-13-2008 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Xeon3D (Post 81588)
Reaper: You look almost exactly like I thought you would, only a tad wee bit younger... you're a kiddo...

kiddo?

I'm 25...

Adremalech The Wroth 09-15-2008 10:42 PM

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i seem to have this effect on women......

Bodomi 09-16-2008 09:27 PM

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Internet is serious business.

I think I haven't posted my pic on ZD before.

Ugly Joe 09-16-2008 11:53 PM

Here's my stock photo:

http://ximwix.net/images/20/posted/about/about.jpg

Cornellius 09-16-2008 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Joe (Post 82716)

YOU'RE THE ONE ON THE LEFT OR ON THE RIGHT ? LOLZ

Adremalech The Wroth 09-17-2008 12:01 AM

lol that cat is bigger than me!

Ugly Joe 09-17-2008 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Adremalech The Wroth (Post 82718)
lol that cat is bigger than me!

Was bigger than you -- he died about a year ago :(

Adremalech The Wroth 09-17-2008 12:59 AM

oh... im sorry.

Ugly Joe 09-17-2008 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Adremalech The Wroth (Post 82720)
oh... im sorry.

S'alright. He was a big cat, though. About 18lbs.

Cornellius 09-17-2008 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Joe (Post 82719)
Was bigger than you -- he died about a year ago :(

Sorry to hear that. Lost my dog 2 years ago, I know how it feels.

Iconoclast 09-17-2008 01:46 AM

Our last cat jumped up in a car pipe and was torn to shreds. She was Persian

lot of sad pet fates, and our mom took disgust in dogs so that was the last .. eventually she saw her again on the road

D-- 11-20-2008 08:31 PM

Well, I said I wasn't going to post in this thread, but fuck it. Here goes.

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6...6035211zz2.jpghttp://img355.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif

Here's to almost 27 years of burning hatred.

Xeon3D 12-30-2008 06:13 PM

LOL Nice Offtopic and also Nice Photoshop D!

D-- 01-09-2009 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Xeon3D (Post 85308)
LOL Nice Offtopic and also Nice Photoshop D!

Wait, exactly what part besides restoring and amping up color on the eye was Photoshop? Need a camera RAW for evidence? :P

Saent 02-05-2009 08:40 PM

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9372/19528610xp5.jpg
..........
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6417/me2af4.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/me2af4.jpg/1/w512.png

Me. :D

Bodomi 02-05-2009 09:53 PM

Almost like your avatar.

Saent 02-06-2009 02:04 AM

If only I had a little more facial hair..

Phlegethonic 03-02-2009 01:08 AM

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Here is me being the best terrorist ever.


http://www.zophar.net/forums/attachm...1&d=1235955972


And here is me being all emo with a .22 rifle which I never use.


http://www.zophar.net/forums/attachm...1&d=1235956021

No, I am not a Republican.

Shadow 03-28-2009 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Phlegethonic (Post 87021)
Here is me being the best terrorist ever.

Nice one! ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phlegethonic (Post 87021)
And here is me being all emo with a .22 rifle which I never use.
No, I am not a Republican.

In Germany you would see yourself catched by the police within 48 hours after posting that kind of picture...
Except you say it's just a toy gun. ;)

Reaper man 04-07-2009 02:16 AM

ok, someone dared me to do this, so here we go. I present to you, my butt. XD

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...n/sexybutt.jpg

The 9th Sage 04-07-2009 06:00 AM

The guy on the TV's expression is appropriate.

shawn 04-07-2009 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The 9th Sage (Post 88171)
The guy on the TV's expression is appropriate.

Well he was afraid Brad didn't see the gang of gay rapist sneaking up behind him. *just kiddin, Brad knew the whole time*

Isildur 04-07-2009 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper man (Post 88158)
ok, someone dared me to do this, so here we go. I present to you, my butt. XD

Dammit, now I won't ever be able to see Al Roker on TV without involuntarily shuddering, thanks. :scared:

Nohbody 04-07-2009 11:14 PM

lol, i dont know if i can compete with that ass up there, but here

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-...23_1092383.jpg

So i downloaded GIMP a while back and that was my first experiment

The 9th Sage 04-09-2009 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Nohbody (Post 88185)
So i downloaded GIMP a while back and that was my first experiment

That looks nice.

Bodomi 04-17-2009 10:31 PM

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Another pic.
The camera took a red-eye pic of me so I fixed it a bit (or at least I tried). My eyes aren't actually that color. :p

Shingen 04-18-2009 09:03 PM

[url]http://shingen.org/jericho/2guysnamedchrisfromwpg.jpg[/url]

Obviously, I'm the fat one, not the wrassler.

Edit: Bloody... woah I forgot that was a huge pic... changed to url tags

saprophytic 05-22-2009 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper man (Post 88158)
ok, someone dared me to do this, so here we go. I present to you, my butt. XD

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...n/sexybutt.jpg


Now there is something I really could have went the rest of my life without seeing. Thanks for ruining my life. hahaha :P

Maximum Potion 05-23-2009 12:44 AM

What's the matter?
You've never seen a naked ass before?

saprophytic 05-23-2009 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximum Potion (Post 89183)
What's the matter?
You've never seen a naked ass before?

Sure I have, but none quite like Brad's.

I might as well join in on this.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...fdeath/015.jpg

Older picture from last november when I was in Punta Cana, Dominican Republic. For the record, i'm not normally clean shaven/so handsome.

Reaper man 05-23-2009 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by saprophytic (Post 89194)
Sure I have, but none quite like Brad's.

Yeah, my ass is just that damn sexy. :3

Bodomi 05-23-2009 05:37 PM

Sorry Brad, yours can't match Ian's.

shawn 05-23-2009 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper man (Post 89196)
Yeah, my ass is just that damn sexy. :3


If I ever go to jail Brad I hope you're assigned the same cell as me. Then I can just hand out pictures of your ass to all the other guys in the block and they'll just ignor me. Basically you'll be my physical cock blocker, lol.

The 9th Sage 05-24-2009 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bodomi (Post 89198)
Sorry Brad, yours can't match Ian's.

Ahaha, once again proving that I'm never living that one down. :D

Isildur 05-24-2009 07:42 AM

Bahaha, apparently not. =D

Sliver-X 08-31-2009 05:49 AM

http://sliverx.arc-nova.org/img/blackagain.jpg

puduhead 09-01-2009 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saprophytic (Post 89194)
I might as well join in on this.

Older picture from last november when I was in Punta Cana, Dominican Republic.
For the record, i'm not normally clean shaven/so handsome.

Oh i never checked this thread after Brad's post. :P

Rugged man! You should be modeling aftershave.

Alright here's a recent one of me:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/530/sleepisgood.jpg

Burzy 09-01-2009 09:38 PM

I can put up a pic of me from the movie i was in (no, dont let the ass picture posted earlier scare you, no foreshadowing here), but not form work. As I have yet to host the image.

You can find the movie (a 7 minute short) at google video, its listed under :

"The Monkey Rodeo: Demon Rum"

I Play a fish demon , named Gary.

here's the google video link of the entire film (only a 7 minute long short film, kinda a fun extra feature, that will be a part of a larger "world" in other monkey rodeo films.)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...3916994559464#

FleshCage 09-24-2009 01:32 AM

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a14...lie/poop-2.jpg This is me in front of, what is obviously a fountain. http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a14.../chrislily.jpg This is me and my boyfriend.

Reaper man 09-24-2009 08:41 AM

oh yeah, you have lost some weight. Wow.. o.o

You're looking great! ;D

FleshCage 09-24-2009 08:47 AM

:D That's from riding my bike everywhere. lol

The 9th Sage 09-24-2009 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FleshCage (Post 93801)
:D That's from riding my bike everywhere. lol

You know, you like kind of familliar. I don't think I could have met you (I live in New York state, so I'm pretty sure I haven't) though. Weird. :P

Maximum Potion 09-24-2009 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Burzy (Post 92835)

That was moderately entertaining.

Burzy 09-25-2009 12:28 AM

yeah its only a side-show (kinda like a bonus film) meant to accompany the feature film "The Monkey Rodeo:Malice"

some other film's in the series are "bimbo zombie killers" etc.

It's a labour of love more than anything. Was sooo much fun getting monster make-up put on :)

Reaper man 09-26-2009 05:14 AM

In b4 Lillymon's announcement.

Lillymon 09-26-2009 05:19 AM

I know people have wanted a picture of me for a while. For a long time you never saw anything, but events have conspired to make the situation right for me to finally upload one. So, here you have it:

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4088/1002781final.png

This will require some explaining (unless you're Brad, in which case I'm just repeating myself).

I've been pretending to be female online since 1999, and I've done bloody well at it I think. But technology has moved on, now we have Skype and YouTube, so it's become harder and harder. Combine that with increasingly personal relations online, and things came to a head back in June.

I've always had a strong element of gender confusion, and came to the conclusion a while back that I'm a transsexual (after a conversation with a psychiatrist, she seemed convinced as well, though that's not a confirmation by NHS standards, so I'll be doing more of that) and after that decided that people needed to know the truth about me. This is a bit ahead of my former schedule (I thought more like 2010), but whatever. Now it's done.

I've also made a YouTube video (see below), so you know what I sound like as well now. The talk of a webcam is serious, I hope to have one and be making good use of it within a month or two.


Questions, comments?

shawn 09-26-2009 05:27 AM

Why lie?

I mean seriously why since we've had theothermoogle and a few others I can't name offhand that were gay and no one cared. It's not a big deal here for I guess everyone here.

Not mad or anything it's just that you didn't have to.

Lillymon 09-26-2009 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93873)
Why lie?

Simple really. People think of me as male in real life, I wanted somewhere were people would think of me as female, and treat me as such. The online environment was the only place with enough abstraction between me and everyone else to make that possible.

That need gradually faded with time, but then inertia takes over. Once a lie has existed long enough to become an alter-ego with her own description and backstory, she becomes harder to kill off.

The 9th Sage 09-26-2009 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lillymon (Post 93874)
Simple really. People think of me as male in real life, I wanted somewhere were people would think of me as female, and treat me as such. The online environment was the only place with enough abstraction between me and everyone else to make that possible.

That need gradually faded with time, but then inertia takes over. Once a lie has existed long enough to become an alter-ego with her own description and backstory, she becomes harder to kill off.

Huh. Well...fair enough. Wow though. I certainly didn't expect something like this to occur tonight. :) Honestly, I wouldn't have guessed (though of course that was kinda the point).

Also, may as well finally post a picture of myself. I don't have many good ones, and someone is borrowing my camera at the moment (I really wish they'd give it back :P) but here's one from my webspace over at my blog:

http://xd7.xanga.com/741f1a464213023...o182705930.jpg

Reaper man 09-26-2009 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93873)
Why lie?

See, this just shows you really don't understand. At first I had the same thought about it, but when you really think hard and deep about it (as I did) you realize that Lillymon was being honest, because he really feels that deep down he is a woman. By portraying himself as a woman, which is how he feels on the inside, he wasn't exactly lying. I mean sure you can get into the technicalities of it (he has a penis! etc), but from a personality perspective, he is female.

FleshCage 09-26-2009 05:46 AM

That's very interesting I've never heard of anyone doing that before, I completely see why one may do so. O.O

The 9th Sage 09-26-2009 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper man (Post 93876)
See, this just shows you really don't understand.

Yeah. I don't really think of Lilly any differently actually. For me it's just more like "Wow, really?" As I was saying, I really had absolutely no idea. I might be a bit confused on gender pronouns though, now that I think about it.

FleshCage 09-26-2009 09:43 AM

Weird, for a second I thought you were referring to me. lolz

Reaper man 09-26-2009 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FleshCage (Post 93880)
Weird, for a second I thought you were referring to me. lolz

yeah I was going to mention to 9th sage that you're name is Lily

Just one letter off, hehe.

shawn 09-26-2009 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lillymon (Post 93874)
Simple really. People think of me as male in real life, I wanted somewhere were people would think of me as female, and treat me as such. The online environment was the only place with enough abstraction between me and everyone else to make that possible.

That need gradually faded with time, but then inertia takes over. Once a lie has existed long enough to become an alter-ego with her own description and backstory, she becomes harder to kill off.


Well I've never told anyone but when you first started posting from your style I actually thought you were female but possibly a lesbian. I never suspected you were a man but you were more logical and to the point than most women in your postings. The other possibility which is the one I ended up believing was that like some men that were highly intelligent which was the way you always came off in your responses you were a very intelligent woman that was just less emotional or repressed her emotions and logic and fact were your bread and butter.

This is something I just took for granted after a while since you've never acted like someone your own age and after what you told us here in the diaries a few years back about your life when you were younger I assumed you like myself when younger were disappointed in the world in general and took refuge in books and learning.

I will admit I would have never guessed you were a man but I never thought of you as a girl either or better yet a girl of the age you said you were when you first joined since the emotional seesaw of a very young girl was missing in your responses. I just considered you super smart like Brooke "inuyasha's ex" without the emotional releases girls have. Very controlled behavior was how you appeared, and I also wondered how you could always unless someone really did something mean or something that would piss you off control your emotions so well but this would explain it all.

Well whatever you do I'll still think you're Lillymon. Not the girl but the intelligent person I've known here and at EP for years and respect.

GeminiMan 09-26-2009 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lillymon (Post 93872)
I've been pretending to be female online since 1999

That is awesome. :D

The 9th Sage 09-26-2009 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper man (Post 93882)
yeah I was going to mention to 9th sage that you're name is Lily

Just one letter off, hehe.

Ah, sorry. I'll keep that in mind.

shawn 09-26-2009 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lillymon (Post 93872)
I've always had a strong element of gender confusion, and came to the conclusion a while back that I'm a transsexual (after a conversation with a psychiatrist.


You mean gay and/or transvestite don't you?
Transsexual is someone that has undergone sex change surgery.
Transvestites dress and act like the opposite sex.
Homosexual is someone that is attracted to the same sex and may feel also that they are the opposite sex.

Also on a lighter note though not gay I do feel sometime like a lesbian trapped in a mans body, lol. :)

Lillymon 09-26-2009 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93902)
You mean gay and/or transvestite don't you?
Transsexual is someone that has undergone sex change surgery.
Transvestites dress and act like the opposite sex.
Homosexual is someone that is attracted to the same sex and may feel also that they are the opposite sex.

No, no, no.

Transsexual is someone who feels like they want to be the opposite sex completely and permanently. Pre-op and post-op respectively are the terms used for transsexuals before and after gender reassignment surgery.
Transvestites feel they want to dress and act like the opposite sex, but only at certain times and in certain places, they are otherwise happy with their gender identity.
Homosexual is someone attracted to the same sex, nothing else is inferred or implied, participation in the 'gay lifestyle' is purely optional.

Transsexual is actually the word the psychiatrist I talked to used, and I feel it to be accurate. This is not a part-time thing, I want to be a woman 24/7. As for sexual orientation, I currently feel attraction to women but not men. The term 'gynephile' may be more appropriate given my situation.

The 9th Sage 09-26-2009 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lillymon (Post 93908)
No, no, no.

Transsexual is someone who feels like they want to be the opposite sex completely and permanently. Pre-op and post-op respectively are the terms used for transsexuals before and after gender reassignment surgery.
Transvestites feel they want to dress and act like the opposite sex, but only at certain times and in certain places, they are otherwise happy with their gender identity.
Homosexual is someone attracted to the same sex, nothing else is inferred or implied, participation in the 'gay lifestyle' is purely optional.

Transsexual is actually the word the psychiatrist I talked to used, and I feel it to be accurate. This is not a part-time thing, I want to be a woman 24/7. As for sexual orientation, I currently feel attraction to women but not men. The term 'gynephile' may be more appropriate given my situation.

Hmm...it sounds like you have it at least fairly straight in your head, but still, it's gotta be kind of odd for you at times. When I think about it and try to put myself in your shoes I can just imagine how confusing it probably is sometimes.

shawn 09-26-2009 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lillymon (Post 93908)
No, no, no.

Transsexual is someone who feels like they want to be the opposite sex completely and permanently. Pre-op and post-op respectively are the terms used for transsexuals before and after gender reassignment surgery.
Transvestites feel they want to dress and act like the opposite sex, but only at certain times and in certain places, they are otherwise happy with their gender identity.
Homosexual is someone attracted to the same sex, nothing else is inferred or implied, participation in the 'gay lifestyle' is purely optional.

Transsexual is actually the word the psychiatrist I talked to used, and I feel it to be accurate. This is not a part-time thing, I want to be a woman 24/7. As for sexual orientation, I currently feel attraction to women but not men. The term 'gynephile' may be more appropriate given my situation.


Ok, now here some information that most people that are considering the operation either ignor or don't consider. If you get the operation and you meet a straight man will you tell him because if you do see any Jerry Springer episode for the result. If I was kissing someone and they told me they were once a guy I would basically run the other way. I'm just being truthful. The reason is most men though they accept the gay lifestyle would never date someone that was once a man or have sex with them. To me it would be like having sex with a guy in disguise no matter if there was no penis and a vagina and breasts. This is a bluntly honest opinion. I would probably feel nauseous if someone told me that after even kissing them to be totally honest.

Now here's the catch with the operation. If you tell your lover I'd guess 98% would not take it well and there are some that might actually have a violent reaction though it may happen after they leave even over a week later. By having an operation you will probably find mostly bisexual men would be open to having a relationship though there are straight men that would but very very few.

Now after the operation gay men would also be out since they don't want women, they did dudes. I fnd the operation thing scary at best since it could very well lead to a life alone for the most part and a huge medical bill also.

The reason I figured you were gay was because gay men feel like they are women and so they have relationships with men and it would seem instead of getting an operation that finding a very masculine gay man would be a more logical conclusion, at least in my mind it would.

This is just my view on things and my very honest and hopefully I made you think about this more in a view you may not have realized. If you get the operation I wish you well but I just wanted you to know the opinion of a straight guy.

On a final note this to a lot of men as in if a girl told him she was a guy after sex "not me, not that violent" would be like finding out the chick from the bar has a dick and balls. About 1/2 the men I've known would first be repulsed and then want to cut their balls off. This is true since I've heard these conversations before and most men feel like they've been raped emotionally and want instant revenge since unlike women they do not think it's their fault. So remember be honest and don't get to close before telling if you have this operation since you will have betrayed a trust in a majority of mens eyes since this is absolutely vital information to share.

Reaper man 09-26-2009 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93911)
If you get the operation and you meet a straight man will you tell him....

. . .

what part of
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Originally Posted by Lillymon (Post 93908)
I currently feel attraction to women but not men.

DON'T you understand?

Lillymon 09-26-2009 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93911)
Ok, now here some information that most people that are considering the operation either ignor or don't consider.

I think I've considered almost all eventualities after many hours of online research and more than a few sleepless nights. Nonetheless, I'll see if you bring up anything new and/or unexpected.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93911)
If you get the operation and you meet a straight man will you tell him because if you do see any Jerry Springer episode for the result.

I'm pretty open here now. If I were passing as female, I would be open to anyone I really thought was hitting on me. Honesty is the best policy there I think.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93911)
If I was kissing someone and they told me they were once a guy I would basically run the other way. I'm just being truthful. The reason is most men though they accept the gay lifestyle would never date someone that was once a man or have sex with them. To me it would be like having sex with a guy in disguise no matter if there was no penis and a vagina and breasts. This is a bluntly honest opinion.

Intellectual agreement is a big part about having any sort of relationship with me. If anyone is really that put off by who I am, then we were clearly on different planets to start with.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93911)
I would probably feel nauseous if someone told me that after even kissing them to be totally honest.

Be careful about who you're kissing then, I've seen some transwomen who you would never spot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93911)
Now here's the catch with the operation. If you tell your lover I'd guess 98% would not take it well and there are some that might actually have a violent reaction though it may happen after they leave even over a week later. By having an operation you will probably find mostly bisexual men would be open to having a relationship though there are straight men that would but very very few.

As I said, I'm not really interested in men. Apparently hormone therapy can have an effect on that, but assuming that doesn't happen, then it's only women I'm looking at. Still that doesn't really change much about this.

But again, if I'm actually in any sort of relationship, I'm going to have vetted them quite early on for bad reactions to any of this. I don't plan to end up in situation like this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93911)
Now after the operation gay men would also be out since they don't want women, they did dudes. I fnd the operation thing scary at best since it could very well lead to a life alone for the most part and a huge medical bill also.

It could lead to life alone, but then I'm not a big 'relationship type' anyway. If it happens, it happens.

Also, you forget the fact that I live in Britain. Thanks to the fact that I live in the civilized world, we have universal health care. No insurance, no quibbling. If I convince the NHS that I am a transsexual, they pay for gender reassignment surgery and most likely some other peripheral stuff (don't know exactly what yet). Any 'custom work' like facial feminization surgery would come out of my own pocket, but I hope to either avoid them completely or get such stuff done a long way in the future.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93911)
The reason I figured you were gay

Gay if you consider me a woman, straight if you consider me a man. That's why I prefer the term 'gynephile', because it simply means 'attracted to women'. The opposite is 'androphile'.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93911)
was because gay men feel like they are women

Rarely! Very rarely! Most gay men feel like they are men who are attracted to men!

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93911)
and so they have relationships with men and it would seem instead of getting an operation that finding a very masculine gay man would be a more logical conclusion, at least in my mind it would.

I'm having trouble following most of this post, but trying to link transsexuality and homosexuality is a complete fallacy. One is gender identity, the other is sexual orientation, they are two complete independent things.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93911)
This is just my view on things and my very honest and hopefully I made you think about this more in a view you may not have realized.

Frankly, it didn't. To be honest, most of your post is just misunderstandings and complete fallacies. I've been thinking about this since circa 1995, and studying it for most of my online life. I also sometimes talk with other transsexuals, and learn a lot about who they are and how they live. The ones you see in parades are a flamboyant minority who are completely unrepresentative, though I welcome anything that tries to get the public to think about transexuality and learn more about the subject. Misinformation seems rampant.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93911)
If you get the operation I wish you well but I just wanted you to know the opinion of a straight guy.

I welcome your opinion, but you clearly know very little about this subject.

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Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93911)
On a final note this to a lot of men as in if a girl told him she was a guy after sex "not me, not that violent" would be like finding out the chick from the bar has a dick and balls. About 1/2 the men I've known would first be repulsed and then want to cut their balls off. This is true since I've heard these conversations before and most men feel like they've been raped emotionally and want instant revenge since unlike women they do not think it's their fault. So remember be honest and don't get to close before telling if you have this operation since you will have betrayed a trust in a majority of mens eyes since this is absolutely vital information to share.

This does seem a bit rude really. Do you need my CV as well? My full medical history? Each women you have sex with could have one of over a dozen sexually transmitted diseases, a lot of men don't seem especially bothered about the possibility of a long and painful death from AIDS, yet can be provoked into a blind and uncontrollable rage because their partner turns out to have a penis.

It's their right to think how they like, and I have a policy of openness in intimate situations, but I cannot get into the mind of someone who thinks like that. I fail to think of any betrayal strong enough that I would actually use violence against someone else, let alone anything life-threatening.

Isildur 09-26-2009 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93911)
Ok, now here some information that most people that are considering the operation either ignor or don't consider. If you get the operation and you meet a straight man will you tell him because if you do see any Jerry Springer episode for the result.

I think most transsexuals have thought of such things far more than you realize. This isn't something a person decides on a drunken whim, one night after too many shots of tequila. This is something to which they've devoted plenty of thought.

The Jerry Springer show doesn't come close to being an accurate representation of reality. I think the whole "trap" thing is far more myth than reality. Having lived in Greenwich Village (possibly the best-known focus point of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transsexual, and transvestite activity in the world) for most of my life, in all the conversations in which I've heard people speak quite candidly about their sex lives, I have not once heard someone recount personally being purposefully duped into having (or nearly having) sex with a transsexual. (And yes, many people around here would admit it.)

And hell, if someone was a convincing enough woman that a guy slept with her and only found out later that she was born a biological male, I don't think there's really reason for him to feel queasy or to feel like he has to doubt his own heterosexuality after the fact. Ditto for someone who's attracted to a pre-op only to be informed by the pre-op "Um, there's something I need to tell you before we take this any further." Heterosexuality or homosexuality is really just attraction to one or another class of visible/feel-able traits anyway. When you're having sex with a woman, are you thinking "Holy fuck she looks and feels so freaking HOT!", or are you thinking "Oh.. oh my, her chromosomes are so damn sexy...oh God, I can't get enough of these FREAKING AWESOME OVARIES!" =P

In any case, Lillymon described herself as preferring women.

Also, both men and women -- even straight men and straight -- vary enormously when it comes to being emotional or rational.

Edit: And in a situation all too common for me when I write long posts, I took so long to write this that my post looks redundant, because Lillymon already replied in the meantime. D'oh.

shawn 09-26-2009 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lillymon (Post 93918)
As I said, I'm not really interested in men. Apparently hormone therapy can have an effect on that, but assuming that doesn't happen, then it's only women.

What!!!! Excuse me for my bluntness but the reason I've heard every time to get this operation is because the man IS attracted to men period, gay on the outside and inside hardcore and unquestionable. That's kind of the part of feeling like a woman is all about. Being a woman is about liking men. If you just feel femine in your views fine but that just makes you feminine like, and like I said earlier you never really struck me as a girl besides what you told us and that image you posted here years ago. Otherwise though I never would have thought you were a man was only because you said you were a woman and I took that for granted. Have you ever thought if your feminine and you like women you are like the brother on Neapolean Dynomite. He was very feminine in most of the movie, hell I expected he was going to be gay but he actually ended up not gay.

So I guess lesbian trapped in a mans body as a joke I've used for years is right on track for this, though I've met lesbians and they mostly in my area seem more like men than women. I guess I don't understand since if you are a man and like women then your a man no matter what. You're not a manly man, your not the classic definintion of a man but you are still a man. Well do what you want but if you like women and you have a psychologist who says it's cool to have a sex change to be one I think it's time for someone to have their psychiatry license checked. Sorry but men that like women that want a sex change should not be told thats fine go ahead.

I'm almost think this is a huge joke since firstly the one of the last people I'd tell something like this about would be Brad. Sorry Brad but you are not the ultra sensitive type in any way that I've yet to see, you're fun and entertaining but not sensitive since that's the guy side of you telling the feminine side to STFU. I'd more likely go to Ian or Mushroomblue or Isidur because of their tact and sensitivity at least on a subject like this.

Nope this decision has no logical sense to it and I've stated why and I'm done, over, finished.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Maximum Potion 09-26-2009 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93920)
Well do what you want but if you like women and you have a psychologist who says it's cool to have a sex change to be one I think it's time for someone to have their psychiatry license checked. Sorry but men that like women that want a sex change should not be told thats fine go ahead.

It actaully makes alot of sense. I'm pretty bad with terminology, but i'll try to explain this to the best of my abilities.

Some people are born a man, but feel and act more like a woman. This is the difference between Sex and Gender (Unless I am mistaken).

So, someone who's sex is male may have a female gender.

Now, if a girl or woman realises that she is a lesbian, then that's ok. This is pretty much the same thing as a ''sex male, gender female'' who realises that she is attracted to women.

Someone who is a female (gender) should have been born a girl (physically), so Lillymon's situation actually makes alot of sense.

EDIT: I think that I understand the situation, but I could be completely wrong.

FleshCage 09-27-2009 12:14 AM

ten years? wow. I can see why you'd do it though, people are more harsh to guys than they are to girls.

Reaper man 09-27-2009 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93920)
I'm almost think this is a huge joke since firstly the one of the last people I'd tell something like this about would be Brad. Sorry Brad but you are not the ultra sensitive type in any way that I've yet to see, you're fun and entertaining but not sensitive since that's the guy side of you telling the feminine side to STFU. I'd more likely go to Ian or Mushroomblue or Isidur because of their tact and sensitivity at least on a subject like this.


Oh? Well you know what?! Fuck you!

1 day ban.

Burzy 09-27-2009 01:00 AM

Although I've never done so on a message board, I have lived vicarious lives in a charming online game I've played for 7 years. Its always something that makes my mind spasm in an addictive way, the art of role playing. One cannot help but be enthralled with the different conversation/interactions that you have with people when the face wears a mask that isn't much of a mask after all :) I cheers to you lillymon, what you feel, is truly , what you are.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4650/ghys.jpg
*edit , hehe lil tipsy after the wine/ale festival, lol, forgot the pic.

The 9th Sage 09-27-2009 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper man (Post 93927)
Oh? Well you know what?! Fuck you!

1 day ban.

I agree. That rant was just not god damn cool Shawn (to put it lightly). I back Brad up 100% on this one.

Isildur 09-27-2009 04:10 AM

Eek. Shawn has always been one of the nicest guys at ZMD. I think this is just a lot to take in at once if one hasn't had much real exposure to LGBT matters beyond the stuff that gets put on TV. And I probably didn't help matters by chiming in -- it's easy to get defensive if you feel like everyone is getting on your back. I understand why Brad did what he did, but Shawn, I hope you come back with no hard feelings. This place wouldn't be as much fun without you.:(

Reaper man 09-27-2009 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Isildur (Post 93935)
I understand why Brad did what he did, but Shawn, I hope you come back with no hard feelings. This place wouldn't be as much fun without you.:(

I'm pretty sure after a day he'll be fine. This'll give him just enough time to reflect on what he said. That's why I set it to one day.

The 9th Sage 09-27-2009 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Isildur (Post 93935)
Eek. Shawn has always been one of the nicest guys at ZMD. I think this is just a lot to take in at once if one hasn't had much real exposure to LGBT matters beyond the stuff that gets put on TV. And I probably didn't help matters by chiming in -- it's easy to get defensive if you feel like everyone is getting on your back. I understand why Brad did what he did, but Shawn, I hope you come back with no hard feelings. This place wouldn't be as much fun without you.:(

Maybe he hasn't, but him being generally pretty nice is a reason I am a little pissed. He's one who I would think knows better. Hopefully he'll be cooled off in a day or two.

Lillymon 09-27-2009 12:43 PM

Well, in case shawn wants another crack at this when he comes back (a one day ban was appropriate in my opinion), then I'll be taking on a few parts of the offending post.

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Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93920)
What!!!! Excuse me for my bluntness but the reason I've heard every time to get this operation is because the man IS attracted to men period, gay on the outside and inside hardcore and unquestionable.

Then maybe you got an unrepresentative sample, or just met some really confused gay men. Either way, this just anecdotal, there is a world outside of the small amount of people you have met personally.

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Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93920)
That's kind of the part of feeling like a woman is all about. Being a woman is about liking men.

Really? No such thing as lesbians? Or are lesbians not women?

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Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93920)
If you just feel femine in your views fine but that just makes you feminine like,

Or maybe thinking and feeling like that makes me a woman and you won't stop confusing gender identity and sexual orientation.

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Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93920)
and like I said earlier you never really struck me as a girl besides what you told us and that image you posted here years ago.

Years ago? What image?

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Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93920)
Have you ever thought if your feminine and you like women you are like the brother on Neapolean Dynomite. He was very feminine in most of the movie, hell I expected he was going to be gay but he actually ended up not gay.

That's a fictional character, I'm a real person. Besides, there are men who want to express some feminine characteristics of their personality but are otherwise happy being men. Fine, that happens. That's not me.

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Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93920)
So I guess lesbian trapped in a mans body as a joke I've used for years is right on track for this, though I've met lesbians and they mostly in my area seem more like men than women.

In your area! Anecdotal! Biased! The smaller and more localized the sample, the less representative of the whole it is!

Lesbians can be femme, butch, or whatever Ellen DeGeneres is. They may also be attracted to femme, butch, or *shudder* whatever Ellen DeGeneres is. While it may make sense that the two are linked, and they often are, it is not always the case. It certainly isn't in mine, femininity is a big part of what makes women attractive to me.

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Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93920)
I guess I don't understand since if you are a man and like women then your a man no matter what. You're not a manly man, your not the classic definintion of a man but you are still a man. Well do what you want but if you like women and you have a psychologist who says it's cool to have a sex change to be one I think it's time for someone to have their psychiatry license checked. Sorry but men that like women that want a sex change should not be told thats fine go ahead.

OK, this part is just wilfully ignorant. I've tried to explain the difference between gender identity and sexual orientation, yet you're clearly going to persist in your own simplistic view of a very complicated and difficult subject that even professional organizations are struggling to understand.

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Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93920)
I'm almost think this is a huge joke since firstly the one of the last people I'd tell something like this about would be Brad. Sorry Brad but you are not the ultra sensitive type in any way that I've yet to see, you're fun and entertaining but not sensitive since that's the guy side of you telling the feminine side to STFU. I'd more likely go to Ian or Mushroomblue or Isidur because of their tact and sensitivity at least on a subject like this.

He's not the same Brad Mecoli that we saw many years ago, I'm convinced he's changed a lot of the years, and for the better too. He's been supportive and tried to understand despite clearly having his feelings very badly hurt over my revelation.

You on the other hand do not understand and do not seem willing to understand.

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Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93920)
Nope this decision has no logical sense to it and I've stated why and I'm done, over, finished.

I hope you are. I've done all I can to explain.

Cornellius 09-27-2009 04:03 PM

Why do we always feel the need to classify things ? I've noticed that our parents generation have more problems accepting these things than our generation.

Isildur 09-27-2009 06:34 PM

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Lesbians can be femme, butch, or whatever Ellen DeGeneres is. They may also be attracted to femme, butch, or *shudder* whatever Ellen DeGeneres is.

Hey, I thought she was great as Dory in Finding Nemo.

That said, I admit she can be a bit annoying in many other appearances; she often seems to me like she's trying too hard to be funny and to appear oh-so off-beat, without really succeeding at either.

Anyway, getting back to the topic, here's a picture that a friend of mine took of me, during a hike. The grey in the background is the Hudson River reflecting clouds.

puduhead 09-27-2009 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cornellius (Post 93949)
Why do we always feel the need to classify things ? I've noticed that our parents generation have more problems accepting these things than our generation.

It's very true. I sympathize with the general frustration in this attempt to understand a complex social topic. The younger generation is more adept at comprehending things like this. Age and the culture of which you were raised develops your formative rationale and can be a huge obstacle in understanding present evolution.

I've observed that for older generations, some things are just painfully difficult to comprehend, like incompatible software. And personally, having finally accepted that i'm no longer the youth generation, i can see myself slowly slipping into a new level of misunderstanding on today's relevant changes.

It may not always make sense to my logic, but every new generation becomes the tide society rides. The enthusiasm and quest for new ideas and meaning. It can be very fascinating and exhilarating, albeit, harder to understand for the previous age.

FleshCage 09-27-2009 09:22 PM

You're the first person I've heard about whose like this. Although... My ex boyfriend used to dress in drag, yet, he was my boyfriend. I respect your choices, cause it's intriguing to me. I broke up with my ex because of how socially unacceptable dressing like a girl is. But his way of explaining to me is that he was comfortable dressed like a girl. It did get to a point where he'd be trying to pick up gay dudes, and that's another reason I broke up with him. A thing my friend used to say before he started to dress like a girl was, that he was a lesbian on the inside, which made me laugh. She used to say that some people are like that. Hell, she even used to say that I was a gay dude on the inside, and that's why I liked my feminine boyfriend. All this is very interesting, but, I don't think it's something to get heated over. I say, if a guy wants to be a girl, but like girls, then by all means do what makes you happy. "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" that's what we're all looking for.

Maximum Potion 09-27-2009 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FleshCage (Post 93968)
I say, if a guy wants to be a girl, but like girls, then by all means do what makes you happy. "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" that's what we're all looking for.

It's really all that matters.

Reaper man 09-28-2009 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FleshCage (Post 93968)
My ex boyfriend used to dress in drag, yet, he was my boyfriend.

Wait...Balthazar?!

I honestly could never picture him in drag... :scared:

shawn 09-28-2009 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by puduhead (Post 93961)
It's very true. I sympathize with the general frustration in this attempt to understand a complex social topic. The younger generation is more adept at comprehending things like this. Age and the culture of which you were raised develops your formative rationale and can be a huge obstacle in understanding present evolution.

I've observed that for older generations, some things are just painfully difficult to comprehend, like incompatible software. And personally, having finally accepted that i'm no longer the youth generation, i can see myself slowly slipping into a new level of misunderstanding on today's relevant changes.

It may not always make sense to my logic, but every new generation becomes the tide society rides. The enthusiasm and quest for new ideas and meaning. It can be very fascinating and exhilarating, albeit, harder to understand for the previous age.


Oh yeah I wasn't mad BTW. I was confused though a bit. Like you said I did find it hard to understand. I like my generation can't categorize the word feel. It has no specific meaning to add to a logical conclusion. I like others over that are over 40 have the problem and privilege of having our hormones slow down/lessen. It does 2 things though, we slow down a bit and we are not controlled by our emotions to such a point and I have had a really high testosterone level for most of my adult life without the anger so it is nice to be more relaxed though I can think very quickly I still find it hard to find the words or how to phrase them the way I intended.

The 9th Sage 09-28-2009 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by shawn (Post 93986)
Oh yeah I wasn't mad BTW. I was confused though a bit. Like you said I did find it hard to understand. I like my generation can't categorize the word feel. It has no specific meaning to add to a logical conclusion. I like others over that are over 40 have the problem and privilege of having our hormones slow down/lessen. It does 2 things though, we slow down a bit and we are not controlled by our emotions to such a point and I have had a really high testosterone level for most of my adult life without the anger so it is nice to be more relaxed though I can think very quickly I still find it hard to find the words or how to phrase them the way I intended.

Yeah, I could see that I guess. I'm glad that you're more calm now. Also, Isildur...that picture begs for a caption of some kind.

shawn 09-28-2009 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Isildur (Post 93935)
Eek. Shawn has always been one of the nicest guys at ZMD. I think this is just a lot to take in at once if one hasn't had much real exposure to LGBT matters beyond the stuff that gets put on TV. And I probably didn't help matters by chiming in -- it's easy to get defensive if you feel like everyone is getting on your back. I understand why Brad did what he did, but Shawn, I hope you come back with no hard feelings. This place wouldn't be as much fun without you.:(


And I still am. I was never angry. I wasn't attacking or trying to insult anyone including Brad. This subject was like a logic problem without all the clue to myself. It confused the shit out of me. I have my opinion and it is based on the study I did on google for hours yesterday and I skipped anything that wasn't a medical fact or fact based psychology and I found very little actual information except a description of the operation and that it will make any man appear to be a woman and vice versa with the aid of hormones and that the side effects were minimal unless with men a sensitivity to estogen developed after a few years.

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Originally Posted by The 9th Sage (Post 93989)
Also, Isildur...that picture begs for a caption of some kind.

I know those damn leprechauns hid that pot of gold around here some wheres!!!

Fatal Rose 09-28-2009 04:15 AM

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Me and my little cousin.
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Fatal Rose 09-28-2009 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper man (Post 88158)
ok, someone dared me to do this, so here we go. I present to you, my butt. XD

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...n/sexybutt.jpg

........

FleshCage 09-28-2009 02:03 PM

And no, Not Will. An ex boyfriend before him. The one right before, actually.

The 9th Sage 09-28-2009 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fatal Rose (Post 94022)
........

Yeah, the frame on the TV there says it all, doesn't it?

Bodomi 09-28-2009 05:50 PM

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q...i/f447ed64.jpg

Fail shop, I know.

The 9th Sage 09-29-2009 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bodomi (Post 94046)
Fail shop, I know.

Seems strangely canon though. :P

Reaper man 09-29-2009 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The 9th Sage (Post 94072)
Seems strangely canon though. :P

now that's just mean D:

Turtwig 10-03-2009 01:13 PM

oh my goodness...
reaperman is still here...
hey did u remember me ?
zzzz...

The 9th Sage 10-03-2009 03:17 PM

Hmm...there wasn't a user called Turtwig when I was around....must have been during my stay away from ZMD unless you used to use a different screen name.

Reaper man 10-04-2009 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Turtwig (Post 94289)
oh my goodness...
reaperman is still here...
hey did u remember me ?
zzzz...

Never heard of you, but please read the rules as you are breaking rule 9. Don't do it again.

Burzy 10-06-2009 07:19 PM

man... there is a guy who posts on AE forums, named Spar. You should see some of the bowel-vomit he calls typing Reaper lol.

"Y U THINK U R THE SHIT I AM THE SHIT U AINT SHIT" (actual quote... I'm not joking..."

(don't ban me, was just an example showing why rule 9 is so important, and I'm thinking of submitting that rule to the devs at 'home'. :D)

Reaper man 10-06-2009 10:31 PM

People like that need to be brought out to the field and shot. They are wasting valuable air by breathing.


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