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SpaceTiger 12-01-2005 07:25 AM

Re: OMG won't someone think of the children!!!1/1!eone
 
> What if they start thinking
> "Dear lord, Christmas is an evil holiday, it should be
> banned" or "Other countries don't celebrate Thanksgiving,
> so we should get rid of it so our immagrants can live here
> peacefully and not have our culture shoved down their throats."

Is this one of those "fight fallacy with fallacy" threads?

(wraith_) 12-01-2005 10:45 AM

Re: OMG won't someone think of the children!!!1/1!eone
 
> "Dear lord, Christmas is an evil holiday, it should be
> banned" or "Other countries don't celebrate Thanksgiving,
> so we should get rid of it so our immagrants can live here
> peacefully and not have our culture shoved down their
> throats."

You're right, that is ridiculous.

Also: apples & oranges.

Fla Flash 12-01-2005 10:56 AM

Re: OMG won't someone think of the children!!!1/1!eone
 
Oh for christs sake. This whole argument is gonna end up lame, cause only one positive thing can come from that idiotic law - parents actually sit up and take notice of what video games their kids are playing.Parenting in this country has gone right into the shitter. The point is, parents expect schools to babysit their kids (as well as raise them, to a certain extent) and the laws to do the same.
Any kid who doesn't realize that the video game world and this one are two different entities altogether is either stupid or not raised knowing the difference between fantasy and reality.
I'm so sick of bashing every damned lawmaker from here to kingdom come on this one. I really don't give a rat's ass what law they pass - it's not going to stop gaming's popularity or development.
Maybe, just maybe, some parents will pay attention for a change.
That'd be a first.

(wraith_) 12-01-2005 11:04 AM

Re: OMG won't someone think of the children!!!1/1!eone
 
> http://www.gamespot.com/news/6140535.html

Here's the thing.

How is this any different from the movie industry? To view mature films (R or higher), you HAVE to show ID. I'm 27 and I still get carded at the ticket counter on occasion. For really racy/violent films, somtimes I'm carded again on the way into the theater. I've seen them pull kids out of line.

Unless mom or dad are with them.

Do I believe that videogames make kids do violent things? NOt unless the kid is crazy already.

However, the bottom line is that parents have every right to decide what their children are exposed to (in the realm of media). It would be nice if we could trust the retailers to enforce it, but statistically, they do not. Although I can gaurantee they will if the FTC has the power to fine or suspend the privelege to sell M/AO games.

Everybody always yells that M/AO games shouldn't be banned because it should be the parent's responsibility to decide what their kids can handle, and I agree. A law to require retailers to comply with ratings will give parents the final responsibility. It's not punishing retailers OR game manufacturers--it actually creates less liability for them as long as they follow the rules and don't TRY to market the games to children below the age the game is rated for.

If a kid buys Doom and goes on a killing spree--with a law like this, it is no longer the retailer's fault for selling it. It is no longer the publisher's fault for making it. It is the parent's fault for thingking their kid could handle something they could not.

If you think about it logically, this law is valuable not only for concerned parents, but also for the industry.

Unless the industry really is trying to market these M-rated games to kids under 17. <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

UncleOral 12-01-2005 12:30 PM

Re: It's a good idea
 
<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>


Children are impressionable. It may be a video game, but it
can breed violent behavior.


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Utter bullshit. Fantasy is fantasy is fantasy.
If your touch with reality is so feeble in the first place, it's not the game's fault you're shooting your classmates and yourself.

As for the law (which is equally dungworthy); it's the parents responsibility, not the president, not the government, not the clerks and god damnit not the video game industry.
If parents leave parental control in the hands of others they need to be kicked in the groin repeatedly until they can't bring more people like them to earth.

Blade556 12-01-2005 01:11 PM

Re: It's a good idea
 
Firstly, nobody said anything about shooting up your school. Secondly, when a child of 11 sees real people, real places, and people acting normally like it was normal to steal a bike, the kid's going to think "Hey, thats cool! I'm gonna do that when I'm older!" And it gradually builds, and starts from one bad thing.

Fantasy is Fantasy, but when they play games like San Andreas where people look real, it disillusions the young mind. Do you understand yet?

Blade556 12-01-2005 01:13 PM

Re: Is MURDER appropriate for our children??????
 
You have just won the lobby for the opposition.

Man...I haven't felt so nostalgic in ages...<img src=smilies/laff.gif><img src=smilies/laff.gif><img src=smilies/laff.gif>

Dark Knight Kain 12-01-2005 01:15 PM

Re: OMG won't someone think of the children!!!1/1!eone
 
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I put forth that the reason is that governing a country is hard, and the ones in charge would rather do this instead of their job. It's easier, I'd imagine.

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Yup, that's it... but I really have no problem with this, I don't think eight-year-old kids should be playing GTA, and if the parents are too damn lazy/stupid to do something about it someone should.

Kids do pick stuff up from these games, it's the kids who's parents are too damn lazy/stupid to educate their children about the difference between a game and real life. If I had GTA when I was eight I'd have been smart enough to know its just a game, but I doubt many of my friends would be, I doubt some of them know the difference now-a-days...

MooglyGuy 12-01-2005 02:13 PM

Re: OMG won't someone think of the children!!!1/1!eone
 
> Is this one of those "fight fallacy with fallacy" threads?

I don't know, is it? Instead of scolding us like an overbearing parent, why not hop off your high horse and throw in your two cents? After all, your ivy-league education should make you more apt to give us one of your nicely well-worded, unfallacious and magnificent arguments, shouldn't it? You know, since you're better than everyone else and all. http://www.zophar.net/wwwthreads/smilies/upeyes.gif

UncleOral 12-01-2005 03:02 PM

Re: It's a good idea
 
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Firstly, nobody said anything about shooting up your school.


<hr></blockquote>

It's a nice example of what nimwits think happens when people play first-person-shooters too much.

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>


Secondly, when a child of 11 sees real people, real places,
and people acting normally like it was normal to steal a
bike, the kid's going to think "Hey, thats cool! I'm gonna
do that when I'm older!" And it gradually builds, and starts
from one bad thing.


<hr></blockquote>

No, he won't, and they aren't real people nor real places, it's part of a video game. Well, he could start thinking like that if he were already inclined towards becoming a nutcase and his parents gave a rats ass about him. Then we could start arguing whether or not GTA had a huge impact on Bobby Pantsless unfortunate career-leap into hi-jacking vehicles.
<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>


Fantasy is Fantasy, but when they play games like San
Andreas where people look real, it disillusions the young
mind.


<hr></blockquote>
What you fail to grasp is that there aren't such absolutes, and if one such game is enough to sway Bobby Pantsless that much, Bobby was already sufficiently demented in the first place that it would hardly have made a difference. He would probably have been disillusioned by the candy machine outside Walmart.

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Do you understand yet?


<hr></blockquote>

I'm not the one at a loss here, junior.


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