Salvia - Hold onto your ass

Blade556

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This shit is crazy potent. If you can manage to take a whole bowl in one hit (Use a torch lighter and a hooka bong), it's a 5 minute acid trip. You can't talk, can't understand anyone, but the hallucinations are MESSED.

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This stuff is awesome. Just even a few small hits are like laughing gas (Makes you laugh at almost anything).

Anyone else tried it?

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> Anyone else tried it?
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Is there a point someone reaches in his/her life where drugs aren't cool anymore? Isn't real life enough of a mindfuck without including braincell-killing hallucinogenics? (or however the hell that's spelled)

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> Is there a point someone reaches in his/her life where drugs
> aren't cool anymore? Isn't real life enough of a mindfuck
> without including braincell-killing hallucinogenics? (or
> however the hell that's spelled)

Why does everyone assume hallucinogens kill brain cells? Most of them do not. Simply because a chemical gets into the synapses in your brain does not mean that it destroys brain cells. There are two types of psychoactive drugs: those that mimic existing chemicals in your brain and thus alter consciousness by redirecting signals in your brain to different pathways, and those that release existing chemicals in the brain.

Those that mimic existing chemicals are less likely to be neuro-toxic. For instance, the active ingredient in mushrooms (psilocybin) has the scientific name of 4-Hydroxy-Dimethyltryptamine (4-HO-DMT), which is quite similar to 5-HTP (5-Hydroxy-tryptamine), otherwise known as seritonin, and is used in the same role as seritonin in the brain, its differences in chemical structure being responsible for its effects. Being quite chemically similar to seritonin, which does not destroy brain cells and plays an important role in consciousness, it stands to reason that it be likely to not cause damage either, especially in light of the fact that no commonly used drugs of the tryptamine class (Psilocybin, DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, LSD) have ever been shown to do so. In fact, DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are present in small amounts in human beings to begin with. It is also extremely hard to overdose and die from these substances, to the point where it is for all intents and purposes impossible.

Those drugs that stimulate the brain to release existing chemicals to cause their psychoactive effects are far more likely to cause brain damage. Cocaine, Amphetamines, Ecstacy can and do cause brain damage, there is no denying that. Ecstacy causes seritogenic cells to release seritonin, and if it overworks them, they die. Amphetamines do the same thing for dopamine, and Cocaine overworks both dopamine and seritogenic cells.

However, marijuana, tryptamines, and most other hallucinogens tend to do their work and then exit your body after they are metabolized. The drug Blade brought up, Salvia, is a rather recently discovered drug which is completely dissimilar to any psychedelic found yet , and thus its method of action is unknown, although overdose does appear impossible, and it should be noted that people in Mexico have been using it for thousands of years with no ill effects reported. Still, it is a risk that there might be long-term effects that are subtle or unknown.

As for why someone might enjoy psychedelics, it is difficult to explain to someone who has never taken them. On hallucinogens, it is possible to have emotions which do not exist normally and for which there is no word, it is possible to have a thought which would be impossible to have otherwise, it is possible to be two or more personalities at a time, and it is possible to see a color you have never seen before. Thus, to truly explain what psychedelics do and why one might like them would be impossible. This could be why people on psychedelics speak in tongues: there literally is no word for what they are experiencing, and they are trying to make ones up.

It is not for everyone, no doubt.

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Thank you for that expert analysis. <img src=smilies/eek5.gif>

I would still like to try LSD someday, but I'm going to need to be in a controlled environment with some trusted friends who aren't doing it too.

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Well, it kicks ass, thats why. And honestly, I figured some of you weren't total goody goody's and did that kind of thing.

But I don't smoke weed, and all I asked has anyone else tried it. I haven't met anyone (In canada) that hasn't.

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*Gavin raises his hand*

yessir, i've tried it before. I'd really like to try it again and in a greater and/or more potent amount as I didn't seem to get much out of it.. My friend (who had supplied it) said it usually knocks him on the floor laughing for about 15 minutes, and that's what i'm aiming for <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

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Look, there's no rule against talking about drugs (least that I've seen) but I'm so anti-drug I scare the DEA.
It's nice that you're describing the effects...but I can't say I care much for talking about drug abuse (in a positive way) on an Emulation message board.
Just my opinion.

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How are the two related?

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Good question. I just think there are probably other forums for that. Don't mean to sound like an old man, but I've seen drugs destroy more good young lives than I care to remember.
Like I said, just my opinion.

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Totally fine, and to be honest with you....I raised an eyebrow too. It does seem a little out of place, but people seem to be discussing it very rationally. Some of it is damn fascinating as well (JadussD, I'm looking at you!).

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LOL DOOD!!!!

I AM SO KEWL!! I TAKE TEH DURGS & THAT MAKES ME KEWL!!! DURGS R BETTAR TAHN N E TING ELSE, LIEK GETNIG A EDUCASHUN OR A JOB & NOT BENIG AN IRESSPONSABLE FUCK

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> but I can't say I care much for talking about drug abuse (in a positive
> way) on an Emulation message board.

I'm going to have to agree. It seems rather out of place, and it's also asking for trouble in one way or another. You aren't saying "I smoke a bowl of grass now and again" (I don't, if you're wondering, but for example's sake), you're saying "Wow, check out this new hallucinogenic drug, it's great, here's links to more information, tell us about your experiences with it." The whole thing makes me uneasy.


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> Well, it kicks ass, thats why. And honestly, I figured some of you
> weren't total goody goody's and did that kind of thing.

Or in layman's terms, "smart enough to realize that introducing foreign substances into our bodies that cause us to have strange and abnormal reactions is probably not a Good Thingâ„¢"


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salvia divinorum is not illegal :p *nt*

nt = ninja turtles

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Re: LOL DOOD!!!!

> I AM SO KEWL!! I TAKE TEH DURGS & THAT MAKES ME KEWL!!!
> DURGS R BETTAR TAHN N E TING ELSE, LIEK GETNIG A EDUCASHUN
> OR A JOB & NOT BENIG AN IRESSPONSABLE FUCK

anybody that takes drugs to be cool is a massive tool.

everbody that takes drugs does not do so to be cool.

savlia isn't hardcore.

you're gay.

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>I figured some of you weren't total goody goody's and did that kind of thing.

Not doing drugs makes you a total goody goody?


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you're all retarded and wrong.

simply doing drugs doesn't make you retarded, not doing drugs doesn't make you a "goody". it's your attitude and how you let it effect your life that matters.

if doing drugs gets in the way of your life then yes, you're retarded, if it doesn't then no, you're not retarded. if i reach the goals i set for myself, live a sucessful like, then i'll be fucked if someone tells me i'm a bad person or less intelligent for smoking a joint. it's just like anything else in life, if you let it control you, if you let it substantially get in the way of your goals when it shouldn't, and you can't stop doing it, it's a problem, whether that's spending beyond your means, not being responsible at work, or whatever other event you can think of that i can;t

if you don't want to do drugs then don't, but it's kinda lame to look down on people who do, and probably not without arrogance.

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