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ElementZero
07-05-2006, 07:39 AM
Dear people at Zophar's Domain,

I'll keep this short. I have been around, more or less, since the beginning of Zophar's Domain. Back then, ZD was the best emulation site on the web. Unfortunately, over the past few years, the news updates have become less frequent, and as of right now, the newest update is seven months old. My brother is XiP, who if I remember correctly was the co-runner of the site back when it started, so I have many memories of this place. I am very interested in seeing this site revived and updated daily, and I'm sure the millions of people who have visited the site in the past would also agree. As of right now, there is no central hub of emulation news (that I know of) besides romhacking.net, and even then, romhacking.net isn't meant for all types of emulation news. ZD could become big again -- all that is needed is effort and enthusiasm. I am proficient with web-design and Photoshop and I'd be willing to pitch in a helping hand in completely redesigning the site from the ground-up, and I'm sure many community members who are better than me at web coding and graphics would also be willing to help. We would need a new site, preferably streamlined with PHP or ASP (a la romhacking.net) with sections (translations.zophar.net, emulation.zophar.net, music.zophar.net, hacks.zophar.net), new forums, new everything. Now would be an excellent time to make a comeback, as people haven't yet forgotten about Zophar's Domain, and the internet lacks a large, central hub for all emulation news, whether it be rom hacks, translations, utilities, or new music formats.

My question is this: Will ZD ever come back, or is ZD destined to stay as nothing more than an archive?

- MasaMuneCyrus (Brian)
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soniczip
07-05-2006, 02:54 PM
Talk to packardmelan.
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ElementZero
07-05-2006, 04:35 PM
> Talk to packardmelan.
>
Well, he can reply here if he wants, or he can PM me.
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The 9th Sage
07-05-2006, 05:33 PM
> Talk to packardmelan.

Ya see, that's the thing...I haven't seen him on MSN for quite a long time so I'm going to assume he's somehow MIA. I'm not sure where he is.
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07-05-2006, 07:21 PM
Dear Guy,

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JadussD
07-05-2006, 07:36 PM
> Dear people at Zophar's Domain,

It would be really nice if this site did make a comeback, and I'd be willing to help out anyone who is serious about doing so, although I do not have the leadership skills to lead such an endeavor. I will, however, eagerly assist the next person who thinks they can do it.
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ElementZero
07-05-2006, 07:56 PM
I'd be more than willing to try, but we'd need all the community help we can get. We'd probably have to start off with a news post on the main page about it...
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Kitsune Sniper
07-05-2006, 10:13 PM
The way things are? I really doubt it. All that's left is this forum. The site is dead, the forum lives on. Whoever was supposedly doing stuff to revive the site hasn't said anything for months.
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SwampGas
07-05-2006, 10:40 PM
> The way things are? I really doubt it. All that's left is
> this forum. The site is dead, the forum lives on. Whoever
> was supposedly doing stuff to revive the site hasn't said
> anything for months.

A thread like this resurfaces every other month...people promise the world, and then disappear. I'm used to it and just ignore it.
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Ugly Joe
07-05-2006, 10:43 PM
I don't think I'll ever understand these threads. Why is it that people insist on resurrecting ZD instead of making their own site? Obviously, hosting all of the emulators and music takes a lot of hardware, bandwidth, and, ultimately, cash money. This, I assume, is why Swampy is so hesitant to grant these requests. Despite all the well-wishing, people just don't understand how much it costs to keep ZD alive, even in its current state.

What I don't get is why all these well-wishers and talented programmers don't go out there and create their own ZD. Seriously, hosting a site that simply accepts news, reports news, and hosts a links database to emulators (as opposed to archiving them on your own servers, like ZD) will not have server costs anywhere near ZD. I mean, really:

1) Get a couple of friends together into a team
2) Design and code the website
3) Buy yourselves some webspace and a domain name
4) Install some free BBS software
5) Scour the internet for emulation news
6) Post all this internet news
7) Spread the word of your new website

The hardest step of all of these is step #7. Your site will flop if no one goes to it.

These are the reasons I think these requests keep coming back. There are tons of people out there who could code another thriving ZD. However, they don't have the money to host an emulation archive and they lack the preestablished community support that ZD already has in place. However, these are problems that any webmaster is going to face when launching a serious site. It seems selfish to me to want to mooch off of the success that ZD has already claimed for itself.

Of course, I may have just had a bad day at work and felt like venting in the forum of an emulation archive. I do realize this post may be full of logical fallicies and general bullcrap. But, do tell me, what's stopping you from creating your own site?
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JCE3000GT
07-05-2006, 11:50 PM
> There are tons of people out there who could code
> another thriving ZD.

> However, they don't have the money to
> host an emulation archive and they lack the preestablished
> community support that ZD already has in place. However,
> these are problems that any webmaster is going to face when
> launching a serious site. It seems selfish to me to want to
> mooch off of the success that ZD has already claimed for itself.

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ElementZero
07-06-2006, 04:45 AM
The reason I would like to see ZD come back is the same reason people aren't going around talking aobut replacing Slashdot with Digg. Zophar has history, and everyone still has fond memories of it. Because of that, with a bit of a resurrection, the site could become giant very easily. Also, by placing some Google ads on the site, it would pay for itself. Surely you've seen the pictures of people who recieve $800,000 checks in the mail from all of the ad money they get from Google.

Also, another reason no one has gone and made a gigantic emulation site is that everyone is currently very split. The community is not unified at all. You have a translation group here, a utility development group there, and the closest thing you have to unity is romhacking.net, which is a far cry from emulation unity. To create a site that could be one giant hub for all things emulation, you'd have to either have a lot of friends that run a lot of well-known blogs, or you'd have to already have a name established for yourself. ZD has the latter.
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ElementZero
07-06-2006, 04:49 AM
> A thread like this resurfaces every other month...people
> promise the world, and then disappear. I'm used to it and
> just ignore it.


There's half your problem. I watched this site go up, and I'm very interested in seeing it rise again. Back when Zophar ran this site, it was huge. The counter on the site (that has seemingly disappeared at some point in time) was a testament to that. Hell, take a look at GoodSNES. You tell me what site, other than ZD, could have possibly held so much respect from the emulation community that its anniversary be compiled into a small demo ROM and placed in one of Cowering's Good sets.

There is no lack of interest in the emulation community, there's just lack of action. I'd be willing to see the relaunching of this site through, and I'm sure many others would if we'd get off our asses and do something, and prove to them that something is actually going to happen.

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MegaManJuno
07-06-2006, 05:43 AM
> Hell, take a look at GoodSNES. You tell
> me what site, other than ZD, could have possibly held so
> much respect from the emulation community that its
> anniversary be compiled into a small demo ROM and placed in
> one of Cowering's Good sets.

I think you'll find that a lot of people don't quite share the idea that Cowering and giving respect go hand in hand. Quite a few people I've seen nearly berate him for including patched ROMs in the sets without giving respect to the patch authors, or so they've said.

It's kind of funny you brought up the whole resurrection thread though, because I was just wondering the other day what ever happened to packarmelan's (didn't recall who at the time) grand redesign and update that he fought so hard to get the access to do...

I too would like to see ZD revived to its former glory, but I still remain skeptical that it'll ever happen.
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packardmelan
07-06-2006, 06:37 AM
Around.

Time has passed since my Mom died back in February. Soon after, my wife got sick - and we spent... three? ...a little over three months, figuring out what it was.

It started out as abdominal pain. And progressively got worse. This was aggrevated by our lack of insurance, at first. And my wife had to continue working, while on narcotic painkillers, because she was two months away from -getting- insurance.

The ER that we went to, several times, kept giving her painkillers, but despite X-rays, Cat-scans, blood, urine... they couldn't figure out what it was, beyond "abdominal pain". She wasn't resting at night, and if she was awake she was in pain - if she was asleep, she was in less pain, because of the hydrocodone and crap.

We finally got insurance, and started on the path of finding a "family doctor" to get her checked out. She was admitted to the hospital, while they worked to figure out the cause of the pain. I was with her every waking moment, naturally... and, actually, while she was in the hospital she passed a kidney stone. The doctor thought that was the root cause of pain, and sent her home. Two days later, she was re-admitted to the hospital.

After two days, she was sent home, after the main brunt of the pain had calmed down. The urologist kept trying to tell my wife the pain was in her head, and it was because of the stone - and she was, basically, "a wuss". Not in those terms, but...

Finally, we got her to a GI doctor and found the real cause of the pain. And got my wife on some medicine that is keeping it all in check. For the first time since February, I have 'my wife' back. And we were just sort of settling back in and enjoying life together again. We have some work ahead of us to get her 'healthy' again, but at least the pain is kept in check, and she can live a 'normal' life again.

With her problem diagnosed, we turned to my own medical problems. I won't get into them all here, but I'll say my own 'diagnosis' is just beginning.

Then, last week, two days (this seems to be a pattern) after my wife's 22nd birthday... she got fired. And I wasn't working. Now we're both scrambling to find work, any work, that will let us meet our bills. ...And somehow retain some form of medical insurance. While my own problems can wait, I can't sit by and let my wife go in and out of the hospital again like that.

I didn't bring any of this up in the past, because it was private. I just... sort of disappeared. I still have my hopes to help revive Zophar's, but I knew that my initial attempt could be considered (and rightly so) a "failure". What I implemented -could- be used to revitalize the site, but the theme and different revisions to the software need to be made before I'm happy with it.

And after *I'm* happy with it, well, then it has to be cleared by Swamp, and the rest of the ZD staff. Needless to say, trying to create something that would replace one of the better-known emulation "archives" on teh intarweb is a daunting task.

Rather than make excuses, I was just waiting until I could really work on it. ...And frankly, rather than hang around the boards of a site I fought to, and promised to 'fix'... while not actually doing anything because of "real life", I just logged out and made myself scarce.

--

All of that said, I don't know when I'll really be able to give ZD my full attention. My wife and I are still searching for work, and the calls are just starting to be returned - after the July 4th holiday.

At this point, when I -can- work on it, I'll probably implement something on my own domain, and share it with only a few people. That way I can develop it and flesh it out, and worry about general opinion after *I'm* happy with it. That was probably my biggest mistake originally -- going *so* very public before I was really ready. I was enthusiastic, and quick to try and say "Hey, look! You've rewarded me for my efforts, and now I'll show you that your trust in me wasn't misguided!"

I'd like to say, that I hope it still wasn't. Other priorities came along and made themselves evident to me... so all of my plans were placed on hold. Ah well. I readily admit that, as far as things go, my first attempt to revitalize the site was a failure in no uncertain terms.

Nonetheless, I do still hope to have a hand in "fixing" ZD in the future. I'll just have to prepare a concept on my own site, on my own time.

...And now, back to the shadows. ;)
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ElementZero
07-06-2006, 09:04 AM
Sorry 'bout all of that crap that you're going through. My mom and sister both go through that -- the whole 'doctors don't know what it is, therefore, since everything in the world is already known, they must be crazy' ordeal.

I didn't know that anyone was even supposed to be working on a redesign. I heard something about it a good half a year ago, and nothing had happened. In any case, if you ever need any help with the site, I'll be more than happy to give it.

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Slicer S. V.
07-06-2006, 12:22 PM
> Around.
>

> ...And now, back to the shadows. ;)
>

WOW...

i seriously hope things get better for you soon man... and hey, don't fret about it, those things take priority over everything else in life: your life itself.
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SwampGas
07-06-2006, 03:47 PM
So then do it. I say the same thing every time this thread comes back: just do it.

No one has produced. I have the resources, I have the files, I have everything except the time to do it. Put a sample site together, keeping the logo the same, and then once we have an actual product I'll give you access to the site to import the data and files.
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The 9th Sage
07-07-2006, 02:33 AM
Ah, I'm sorry man...I seem to remember you telling me about your wife being sick but I'd no idea it was that serious. Good to hear she's on the road to recovery, at least headed down the right path. Good luck on everything else too, ok? Keep the faith, I'm sure you can get through it even if it is a pretty nasty situation.
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The 9th Sage
07-07-2006, 02:37 AM
> The reason I would like to see ZD come back is the same
> reason people aren't going around talking aobut replacing
> Slashdot with Digg. Zophar has history, and everyone still
> has fond memories of it.

I think that's probably the main reason I would want to see it come back to it's former glory. This was the first emulation site I stumbled across...I have a lot of fondness for the place and don't want to see it completely fall to the wayside.
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JadussD
07-07-2006, 03:28 AM
> There's half your problem. I watched this site go up, and
> I'm very interested in seeing it rise again. Back when
> Zophar ran this site, it was huge. The counter on the site
> (that has seemingly disappeared at some point in time) was a
> testament to that. Hell, take a look at GoodSNES. You tell
> me what site, other than ZD, could have possibly held so
> much respect from the emulation community that its
> anniversary be compiled into a small demo ROM and placed in
> one of Cowering's Good sets.

> There is no lack of interest in the emulation community,
> there's just lack of action. I'd be willing to see the
> relaunching of this site through, and I'm sure many others
> would if we'd get off our asses and do something, and prove
> to them that something is actually going to happen.

Suggestions, as I've been here for about 10 years. So, if you want to do this, here's a hopeful future consilgiere's advice:

1) Be someone with experience in running a large website staffed by numerous people, or if this isn't the case, have good charisma and people skills. You will have people working for you for free, and you will have to balance prodding them to do stuff and keeping them from being offended that they are being prodded at all, since this is their free time they could be using for something else.
2) HAVE FREE TIME
3) Content first. "New design" later. The inability for anyone to come up with a new design and SwampGas's perfectionism and attitude in this regard has been a huge stumbling block. I would still like to see Packardmelan's ideas come to fruition, as I liked his best, but he has much to worry about in real life. My suggestion is to not look professional, but rather cool. Zophar's Domain is basically the last emulation site around that existed when the Internet had less than 50 million people on it, and was a close-knit and smaller scene where the most important figures and the lamest lamers were well known and mingled on IRC, and familiar usernames abounded. There are over a billion people on the Internet now, and emulation is a massive, and fragmented, scene. Zophar's Domain shows the aesthetic influence of the hacking, cracking, and (no one would admit it) warez scenes, as many of the skills involved in emulation and rom hacking overlap to some extent with these scenes. As such, the pissed off rivethead teenager webpage vibe is kind of a throwback to the old days, and I like it that way, personally. Fagmaster and his Classicgaming, corporate game magazine style can go fuck themselves. God that site was shitty. ZD doesn't need to look like a mainstream gaming site.
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SpaceTiger
07-07-2006, 05:21 AM
Excellent list. I think #2 and lack of motivation are the primary stumbling blocks at the moment. As you said, the scene is massive. It's possible that the scope of the site is unrealistically large.
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Insomnia DMX
07-07-2006, 06:35 AM
> Zophar's Domain is basically the last emulation site around that
> existed when the Internet had less than 50 million people on it,

I learned about emulation at about 2000. And since then I've seen things change. I remember when you could get "any" SNES roms from romnation.com. A time long gone. (And although this is quite recent, it's a shame that emuasylum.com doesn't host SNES roms anymore)

> There are over a billion people on the Internet now, and emulation
> is a massive, and fragmented, scene.

I've known about emulation for a while now, and it's starting to seem like everyone who knows about classic gaming, knows about emulation. Amagine this, I go to one of the computer labs at my school for a period for some assignment, and (as there will always be people off task when a computer with internet is presented to them) one of my friends is playing ZSNES, I could tell. (I let him borrow my USB controller for a while, and he had it out.) When I took a look around, to my surprise, all the usual slackers were emulating, not on myspace or whatever else. (Even them being on myspace astounds me, some of them had cool profiles, I'd never amagine one of those assholes knowing one bit of html. Then I realized that there's sites that generate style tags and shit automatically. That's a sign of the age we live in; most of the kids in America are getting into computers at least a little. And people of our skill are making it easy for them, so they don't care to learn how to do it themselves.) One part of me thinks that emulation is being defiled, and the other thinks that the first part is an asshole for thinking emulation is something that can be defiled. Actually, they are, because most of them will "NEVER" contribute to the scene (or be intrested in how emulation works at all for that matter).

@ the original poster's
>> There is no lack of interest in the emulation community,

True, but not true; In the remains of the old scene, and a few newer people, there is no lack of intrest. But the new wave of assholes who don't give a shit (known amongst themselves as n00bs) have no intrest in actually contributing. If they'd bother to learn and stick with it, they'd be able to answer stupid questions from thier former peers, that would be contribution by just giving a shit.

I'd say: "Lets's weed out those who won't contribute." However, it's been said before, and I'm not committed enough to do anything about it. :P Actually, I'm definately not a leader, but I'll do something to contribute to a good cause. (But not an updated ZD, I'm not good at anything like site making. http://users.adelphia.net/~InsomniaDMXProof</a>)

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ElementZero
07-10-2006, 06:36 AM
1.) I've never personally run large sites before, but I've co-ran a Diablo II hacking site long ago whichhad well over 40,000 members at its peak. It was a rival to cheatlist at the time. In any case, I have a long history of running sites and large forums, and as such, I've had to deal with people for a long time. However, I don't plan on owning the site -- I'm 17 and simply don't have the independence to run my own large-scale site.

2.) I don't have too much free time right now, but when college starts back up this August, I'll have free time.

3.) I've never seen Packardmelan's ideas. Perhaps you could show me some examples sometime? In anycase, SwampGas's perfectionism is fine because I, too, am a perfectionist. Also, you really can't redesign a site around content. At least I can't. I think when you redesign a site, you need to already have a basic grasp of everything that needs to be on the site, and then design your concept. Once the concept is workable, then you can add the content where it fits on the concept. Then, after that's done, you can go back and finalize the whole thing. Also, I agree in that ZD shouldn't look like some Web 2.0 site like digg. That means no gradients, no obscenely small pixel fonts, no Apple-esque reflections or aqua/pill buttons, etc... It need to have all of the functionality of a Web 2.0 site, but with a blast from the past, so to speak. And I think if you look at many of the emulation sites around today, they all look like emulation sites -- they're not the latest, designer-style, pretty sites, and I think that adds a bit of nostalgia which is really what emulation is all about.
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ElementZero
07-10-2006, 06:41 AM
> I have the resources, I have the
> files, I have everything except the time to do it. Put a
> sample site together, keeping the logo the same, and then
> once we have an actual product I'll give you access to the
> site to import the data and files.
>

Well, has anyone made any preliminary designs yet? Or does anyone have any ideas? Or should I start making concepts and posting them here?
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SwampGas
07-10-2006, 04:59 PM
> Well, has anyone made any preliminary designs yet? Or does
> anyone have any ideas? Or should I start making concepts and
> posting them here?

Everyone does 5 minutes of work and then has something come up. Doesn't matter whether the excuse is legit or not because it's the same outcome: promises of everything, 50 people on the boards rising up in protest because I'm a bad person, and then nothing is ever developed.

When I see an actual working conceptual site, then I'll take action. Until then...it's the same vaporware I've seen/heard since 2000.
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SwampGas
07-10-2006, 05:01 PM
> Also, I agree in that ZD shouldn't
> look like some Web 2.0 site like digg. That means no
> gradients, no obscenely small pixel fonts, no Apple-esque
> reflections or aqua/pill buttons, etc... It need to have all
> of the functionality of a Web 2.0 site, but with a blast
> from the past, so to speak.

I like digg's look and feel. The ultimate solution is to make the whole site css driven so that you can make it look like whatever you want....but again...that takes a ton of time and dedication.
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packardmelan
07-12-2006, 02:10 AM
http://www.zophar.net/zd-concept/

Basically, I didn't get really far on 'customizing' an existing script, but I did show that "Olate Download" would go a long way toward updating the functionality of the site, even as-is.

Enjoy - I won't be working on that particular install any time soon.
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JadussD
07-16-2006, 03:11 PM
> http://www.zophar.net/zd-concept/
>
> Basically, I didn't get really far on 'customizing' an
> existing script, but I did show that "Olate Download" would
> go a long way toward updating the functionality of the site,
> even as-is.

If anyone cares about my opinion, I believe that using and implementing this ASAP would be the best course of action to save this site from the stagnant corpse it has become. As in, somebody DO IT. Somebody DO IT not later, but NOW. Everything else, even getting this to look good, can wait. Even getting people to provide content can wait. If you build it, they will come.

One thing I think would be a good idea is to get volunteers from outside the ZMD board to be staff members. ZMD users are group of people whom I believe that, for whatever reason, self-select for incompetency, laziness, and personality flaws (ie, projecting personal short-comings on others so that one doesn't have to face his unpleasant side) when it comes to updating and running ZMD. Must be the general atmosphere...

And then the truly motivated, confident, and realistic seeming people on this board like icenine0 probably have better things to do in their lives.

Here's a list of people I think would be great ZD staffers:

icenine0
Audigy
thegodofhellfire
Vampire_Hunter_D
Whyteknight

These people, from their posts, are the ones that strike me as confident, intelligent, realistic, and sociable. Anyone who wants to get ZD going should contact these people and ask them to join, or see what they have to say to this reply if they read it ;)
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Vampire hunter D
07-16-2006, 03:22 PM
I wouldn't mind helping out one bit. Especially since college is out for a couple more weeks. I will be going on vacation next week, but that will only be for two weeks and I could probably still find access to this site anyway.
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JadussD
07-16-2006, 03:43 PM
> I wouldn't mind helping out one bit. Especially since
> college is out for a couple more weeks. I will be going on
> vacation next week, but that will only be for two weeks and
> I could probably still find access to this site anyway.

Well, that's cool then! If a few more people would want to help on staffing, then we'd be all set. Now we need is someone to lead. (EDIT: And the approval of SwampGas for whatever is done) Element_Zero hasn't posted here for six-days, but I hope he comes back. He has experience in the workings of a big-ass website, and he's motivated. Cool! It seems that since he actually cares enough about the site to come on the board and inquire about it and offer his service; he shows some initiative. Even if he doesn't have much time, I'm sure he has enough time to take a more hands-off approach to the maintaining of the site, although this is only possible if quality, trustworthy people are staffers, which they of course should be.
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SwampGas
07-16-2006, 04:15 PM
Dude...I've been saying it for YEARS.

Someone just DO IT.

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king killa
07-16-2006, 05:26 PM
I'd be happy to help. (even though I wasn't mentioned)

I work quite a bit, but I just lost my license, so I'll be home more often too.
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king killa
07-17-2006, 04:03 AM
how about this theme?

<a href=http://hwody.com/hosted/zd/>ZD Theme</a>
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king killa
07-17-2006, 05:27 AM
Can I have a copy of the Olate header file? Or whichever file builds the Categories menu on the side?

You'll like what I want to do, trust me.

Also, a list of each theme, and how many people use each one... if a staffer does not know how to do this, contact me. It's actually kind of important.
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The 9th Sage
07-17-2006, 02:43 PM
> how about this theme?

Ah, now that looks a lot more like home.
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Diskeater
07-17-2006, 04:58 PM
> how about this theme?
>
> ZD Theme

Big <img src=smilies/thumb.gif> for that.
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Jathys
07-18-2006, 01:45 AM
Definitely liking that theme.

I would also like to see the impossible(?) resurrection. I have no time and not near enough skills though. But I do offer an interesting reminder that may inspire someone with the skills to find enough time:

10th Anniversary is just over 3 months away. Wouldn't it be great to have a grand re-launching on that date?!
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CEpeep
07-18-2006, 02:22 AM
> 10th Anniversary is just over 3 months away. Wouldn't it be
> great to have a grand re-launching on that date?!
>

Most certainly. It doesn't make sense to publically anything until then.

Also, anyone who's working on something should get in touch with me. I have PSDs, PHP sources and other things left over from last time I gave a re-work a shot that might be of use to you. Also, I'd be happy to help with anything on the design end of things as long as someone else is in charge.
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Narvick
07-18-2006, 02:46 AM
We don't have a staff. Of ourse, I'd be much more willing to help if we had more than 1 or 2 people who have time. And I don't really have time anymore. But I could make some time ;D
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packardmelan
07-25-2006, 05:15 AM
I hesitate to post this, but I figure I need to.

I need to find a couple of people who would be willing to poke around my latest project; hosted on my own server... that isn't currently ZD staff.

Reason being, I'm not yet ready to submit this after two day's work as "OMGWTFBBQ, The NEW Zophar's Domain!" like I did last time. So I'm basically just doing this on my own, on my own time... but I kind of want to get some outside opinions.

Then again, I don't want to just post a URL and say "Have at it, kiddies!"... like I did last time.

I'm looking for general opinion/critique. Not a "In your CSS file, you need to move the reference to the areablock h1 to..." or whatever. As it is, I'm already reworking the css file to bring it up to snuff as best as I can. But the initial page -does- validate as Strict XHTML 1.0, in case anyone wonders.

...Yes, this project is to update ZD. It's a continuation of my initial work with Olate Download, aka ZD-Concept, as I feel that's really the best chance for ZD's future as an emulation archive.

Anyway, if you're interested in getting a peek and giving me your general opinion of it, PM me or leave a comment.

Thanks gang.
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ElementZero
07-26-2006, 05:22 AM
I'd be willing to submit content every day, if no one else is willing to. I am probably online a good 4-6 hours a day, and I'm always checking my RSS feeds. :-)
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ElementZero
07-26-2006, 05:27 AM
> Also, anyone who's working on something should get in touch
> with me. I have PSDs, PHP sources and other things left
> over from last time I gave a re-work a shot that might be of
> use to you. Also, I'd be happy to help with anything on the
> design end of things as long as someone else is in charge.

I have a feeling you'll be getting an ICQ message from me in a few days. ;-)
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ElementZero
07-26-2006, 05:30 AM
Yea, I've been completely busy with my summer job. I just can't get used to the sleeping schedule and so I'm always tired, but I'll be getting off at the end of the first week of August (second week if I'm unlucky) and I'll have some time then until the end of the semester when finals start coming around.
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ElementZero
07-26-2006, 05:42 AM
Also, as for alternative forum software, we can either go with a more traditional forum or a forum that is akin to the current one. If we decide the latter, I'd recommend Vanilla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_(forum)) (digg link (http://www.digg.com/software/Vanilla_1_released)). It's new and looks similar to the current boards, but it's not near as old and crappy. Here (http://lussumo.com/community/)'s an example of it in action.

It's all css, of course, so Zophar themes could be easily implemented.

Otherwise, there's always the classic and undeniably good vBulletin ($160), Invision Power Board ($185), PhpBB3 (Free, Open Source), and XMB (Free, Open Source).
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ElementZero
07-26-2006, 06:03 AM
> how about this theme?
>
> ZD Theme
>
That's actually really sexy. I'll be ending my summer job in two weeks, or so, and I'll finally have some time again to play games. I'll try to finish Lunar 1 and Lunar 2 to see what Zophar was inspired from, and then I'll see if i can't think of anything else, as well.
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CEpeep
07-26-2006, 03:13 PM
> Also, as for alternative forum software.

You'd better get your flame-retardant suit on. Suggesting a change in board software (to anything other than FUDForum) shows that you're out of touch with the community here.
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shawn
07-26-2006, 09:36 PM
I really don't like the way that looks, sorry no insult intended. ZD has some of the easiest to use and browse forums I've seen around and remember you need threaded and flat mode or you'll lose half the people that come here if you just use one or the other. <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>
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ElementZero
07-27-2006, 02:03 AM
I've nothing against these forums, they're just so oooolld.

From the looks of it (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=FUDForum&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wi), there are at least newer versions of FUDForum.

In anycase, it's hard to know what everyone wants, so I appreciate any user input, good or bad, so that I can become "in touch" with the current Zophar community, as well.
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CEpeep
07-27-2006, 02:13 AM
> In anycase, it's hard to know what everyone wants

Not really. It just takes time. You showing up and expecting to change things over night reminds me of what InVerse did, and we all know what a disaster that turned out to be.
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ElementZero
07-28-2006, 09:50 PM
I don't know what InVerse did, but I expect to change things with the complete help of the community. Taking over the site and doing things my own way was never planned and still isn't. :-)
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The 9th Sage
07-30-2006, 04:56 PM
> I don't know what InVerse did

Let us just say InVerse is pretty much insane and leave it at that.
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soniczip
07-30-2006, 07:52 PM
> > I don't know what InVerse did
>
> Let us just say InVerse is pretty much insane and leave it
> at that.
>

Although I wasn't here then, <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zophar's_Domain#Attacks_on_the_site>this explains it pretty well.</a>
I sense flaming coming on.
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SwampGas
07-30-2006, 11:52 PM
The wikipedia entry is full of misinformation.

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soniczip
07-30-2006, 11:54 PM
> The wikipedia entry is full of misinformation.
>

Okay, so what really happened?
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SwampGas
07-31-2006, 12:07 AM
> Okay, so what really happened?

It doesn't matter. It happened when you were in diapers.
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soniczip
07-31-2006, 12:20 AM
> It doesn't matter. It happened when you were in diapers.
>

Wrong. 2002 was when I was starting the 6th console generation. 1998 was when I started using my first Sega Genesis.
I was in diapers in 1993, before Zophar's Domain was even conceived.
Anyway, never mind.
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Reaper man
07-31-2006, 01:12 PM
> The wikipedia entry is full of misinformation.

well ok... why don't you <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zophar%27s_Domain&action=edit>fix it?</a>
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SwampGas
07-31-2006, 08:07 PM
> well ok... why don't you fix it?

Because I'm not interested in fixing it. A week later the same jerks will put the bad info back up.
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icenine0
07-31-2006, 09:14 PM
I guess you're also not interested in changing your underwear -- because it'll just get crusty again.

> Because I'm not interested in fixing it. A week later the
> same jerks will put the bad info back up.

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SwampGas
07-31-2006, 09:27 PM
> I guess you're also not interested in changing your
> underwear -- because it'll just get crusty again.

My motivation for changing them is you can only hide skid marks from girls for so long...then they want to undress you as part of foreplay, or they wake up before you do, or in some serious cases they'll do your laundry for you.

Ask coolie about that time we tag teamed those 2 chicks from the lower east side but we were so shitfaced and piss drunk that we almost shit our pants from laughing so hard.
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The 9th Sage
07-31-2006, 11:17 PM
> The wikipedia entry is full of misinformation.

I'm not trying to fight here, but it doesn't sound all that far off...he was made a moderator (which was...unfortunate to say the least), he looked through others private messages and posted them (many to boards other than ZMD, this could have been done through the mod controls)...can't remember if he deleted boards though.

I do remember he pretty much did whatever pleased him because he could do so no matter how many people he ended up pissing off/hurting. Boy, what a fun time that was. [/sarcasm] It's all a non-issue at this point...a non-issue that shouldn't have been allowed to happen (a mod can't fight someone who has the same forum privleges they do) but it's been many years since then and I'm pretty sure he's in jail now anyway...don't remember the specific details.
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Disch
07-31-2006, 11:36 PM
> he pretty much did whatever pleased him

Isn't he in prison now or something?
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CEpeep
07-31-2006, 11:39 PM
> Isn't he in prison now or something?
>

I thought that was Pachuka.
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juggaleaux
08-01-2006, 03:27 AM
http://www.zophar.net/wwwthreads/attachment.php?Cat=&Board=suggest&Post=287851

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Lenophis
08-01-2006, 03:48 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>

I thought that was Pachuka.

<hr></blockquote>
Both are in jail.
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CEpeep
08-01-2006, 03:57 AM
> Both are in jail.

So what's InVerse in for? Pachuka is in jail because he was getting creepy with kids, but what did InVerse do?

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Lenophis
08-01-2006, 05:37 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>

So what's InVerse in for? Pachuka is in jail because he was getting creepy with kids, but what did InVerse do?

<hr></blockquote>
I'm not sure, I just know that he is in jail.
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The 9th Sage
08-02-2006, 04:25 AM
> I'm not sure, I just know that he is in jail.

The Justice System working FOR the people...erm...for a change.

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