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Octocrook

07-09-2003, 01:47 AM

...a chick I haven't talked to in about 5 years emailed me last night and we chatted today. I don't even care that much...that's how emotionally drowned out I am. Back then, I thought maybe something could have developed, but I don't care now. I'll probably just go bowling with her once and that's that.

The 1 good thing is she bowls. I completely forgot she was a bowler. The 1 bad thing is that she drinks...a lot...like get's drunk all the fucking time. I dunno...it's just strange....last time I talked to her, I was 16 and she was 15...now I'm 21 and she's 20. It's just weird really...I just had to mention it, hehe. I'll see what happens...if I meet up with her or not. I'll probably get her to go bowling with me...that way, worst case is I only have fun whoopin her ass...I average around 185, and I doubt she's anywhere near that.

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puduhead

07-09-2003, 05:23 PM

word.

you say she drinks a lot? maybe she will want to sex you up after an impressive game of bowling.

knock down all her pins man!

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fairykiller

07-09-2003, 07:25 PM

> you say she drinks a lot? maybe she will want to sex you up after an impressive game of bowling.

because she drinks a lot??

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puduhead

07-09-2003, 07:29 PM

> > you say she drinks a lot? maybe she will want to sex you
> up after an impressive game of bowling.
>
> because she drinks a lot??

yes. <img src=smilies/erm.gif>

Keep in mind, I'm trying to get the boy laid. don't try this at home kids! <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

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fairykiller

07-09-2003, 07:37 PM

> > > you say she drinks a lot? maybe she will want to sex
> you up after an impressive game of bowling.

> > because she drinks a lot??

> yes.

So she has a drinking problem that needs to be taken advantage of. Sorry, but that's not even funny. A close friend of mine was date raped that way.

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ricardobaltazar

07-09-2003, 07:48 PM

> > > > you say she drinks a lot? maybe she will want to sex
> > you up after an impressive game of bowling.

> > > because she drinks a lot??
>
> > yes.

> So she has a drinking problem that needs to be taken
> advantage of. Sorry, but that's not even funny. A close
> friend of mine was date raped that way.

While I feel fairykiller has somewhat of a valid point on this one...

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puduhead

07-09-2003, 07:51 PM

> So she has a drinking problem that needs to be taken
> advantage of. Sorry, but that's not even funny. A close
> friend of mine was date raped that way.

Who said anything about funny??

And you cannot apply the experience you reference to every other opportunity out there. that just fabricated oversensitivity.

drinking problem? that's something for her and her liver to work out. fact of the matter is, drinking lowers your inhibitions. a person may be more likely to engage in and even instigate sex, while under the influence.

How is that not that person's repsponsibility? I'm not talking about raping a chick that is passed out drunk, or even so belligerantly drunk that she can't remember her own name.

I'm saying, sounds like she likes to have a good time. And Steve-o here can help her with that. <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

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wingless

07-09-2003, 08:11 PM

> I'll probably just go bowling with her once and that's that.

hope you have fun, at least <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>

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fairykiller

07-09-2003, 08:15 PM

> And you cannot apply the experience you reference to every
> other opportunity out there. that just fabricated
> oversensitivity.

As opposed to unfabricated insensitivity.
Anyway, I'm not applying experiences. I'm just saying, it's really shitty to think that it's ok to take advantage of the fact that a girl is drunk in order to have sex with her. That's not an 'opportunity'. That's a person who is incapacitated and vulnerable. Why would you want to have sex with her at that stage in the first place? Doesn't it make sense to wait until the girl is sober?

> drinking problem? that's something for her and her liver to
> work out. fact of the matter is, drinking lowers your
> inhibitions. a person may be more likely to engage in and
> even instigate sex, while under the influence.

Yes. Even if they don't really want to or wouldn't if they were sober. Which is why it's not right to take advantage of the fact that someone has lowered inhibitions so you can get some sex. If I were the guy in a situation like that, I'd drop the girl home and take her out another time, and try to have consensual sex when both of us are thinking straight.

> How is that not that person's repsponsibility? I'm not
> talking about raping a chick that is passed out drunk, or
> even so belligerantly drunk that she can't remember her own
> name.

Just drunk enough to be more willing to have sex than she would if she were sober.

> I'm saying, sounds like she likes to have a good time. And
> Steve-o here can help her with that.

And I'm saying, I'm sure he's perfectly capable of helping her have a good time without her being drunk. He doesn't need to take advantage of the fact that she likes to drink to have sex with her. Nobody needs to do that. And IMO, nobody should.

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puduhead

07-09-2003, 08:23 PM

you fail to see the point that some women actually *want* to have some drinks and get laid. not just with some scummy guy! It's not like I have a website which promotes this message to the world of men! It is directed to Steve. He's a super nice shy guy. so i'm not exactly worried about him doing anything wrong.

I do not acknowledge your labelling for this situation - "take advantage". feminazi stuff.

I know women get raped! but there are actually women that LIKE SEX! it's ok. everyone have a nice day.

*edit: and another point that occured to me - why do you automatically assume that lowered inhibitions has to be bad? It can go either way. I think that is one reason people enjoy drinking because they are able to take the over-serious edge off of life for a while. speaking of over-serious: this whole sex discussion. Other people's mistakes (i.e. people that commit rape) do not obligate me or other good people to villify the personal use of sex. it's good. today's age has a lot of things fucked up and blown out of proportion for the *average normal decent person*. and I refuse to be held accountable to other people's problems. there are plenty of good times out there to be had.

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fairykiller

07-09-2003, 08:46 PM

> you fail to see the point that some women actually *want* to
> have some drinks and get laid.

Sure. That's not how your initial post was worded though. That's why I asked for clarification, which you provided.

>not just with some scummy
> guy! It's not like I have a website which promotes this
> message to the world of men! It is directed to Steve. He's
> a super nice shy guy. so i'm not exactly worried about him
> doing anything wrong.

I'm not either. That's not the point. My beef is with your message, not with Steve. I'm sure he's capable of respecting others and handling himself with dignity.

> I do not acknowledge your labelling for this situation -
> "take advantage". feminazi stuff.

Umm, that's a laugh. You have sex with a girl when she's drunk because she's drunk - that's taking advantage of her state. What label would you like to apply? "Having Sex With Drunk Woman Who Wants Me Because I Know She Likes Sex No Matter What"?

> I know women get raped! but there are actually women that
> LIKE SEX! it's ok. everyone have a nice day.

How would you know what she wants if she isn't in a frame of mind to know what she wants herself? Women like sex just as much when they are not drunk. Why not just wait until then, especially if you don't know her all that well and so you're not in a position to judge?

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fairykiller

07-09-2003, 08:56 PM

> *edit: and another point that occured to me - why do you
> automatically assume that lowered inhibitions has to be bad?
> It can go either way.

It's not even a question of lowered inhibitions. It's a question of not being in the state of mind to be able to make an important decision in the manner in which you would otherwise be able to make it. Your mind is all fuzzy. Sure, it could go either way. Maybe the girl would want sex anyway. But if you don't know her that well (as I'm assuming this situation entailed) then how can you make that judgement call? If there's a 50% chance that she wouldn't want to have sex with you if she were sober - are you saying it's ok to take that chance?

>I think that is one reason people
> enjoy drinking because they are able to take the
> over-serious edge off of life for a while.

Sure.

speaking of
> over-serious: this whole sex discussion.

This is a serious issue. Maybe you don't think so, but it's not just rape - people everywhere have a lot of sex they don't really want to have because they were drunk and the person they were with thought that was good enough reason to push a bit. This may not seem serious to you, but I think it is.

>Other people's
> mistakes (i.e. people that commit rape) do not obligate me
> or other good people to villify the personal use of sex.
> it's good.

Have as much sex as you want. Sex is good, yes. Just don't do it with girls because they're drunk.

today's age has a lot of things fucked up and
> blown out of proportion for the *average normal decent
> person*. and I refuse to be held accountable to other
> people's problems.

I'm not holding you accountable for anything other than what you said.

there are plenty of good times out there
> to be had.

Yeah.

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puduhead

07-09-2003, 08:57 PM

you still miss the point. what you are doing is applying your (and maybe women *you* know) views on sex to the rest of the world.

Do you think a chick that goes to a bar and meets men or gets together with a guy friend and has some drinks is not aware of what she is involved in? this is not a secret conspiracy to get women into the sack! there are people that get together, have some drinks, and end up getting laid. and they are ok with that.

you don't know what all women want either. being a woman doesn't make you spokeperson for all women. and yet you apply your personal views of what situation is appropriate to have sex to all women, as if those are their standards as well.

give the female population a lot more credit for their diversity. they don't all do it your way. <img src=smilies/cwm11.gif>

as for Steve, he may think my comment was utter bullshit and is not interested. that's fine. the point is, it's a valid comment, not meant for the purpose of taking advantage, as you label it. but there is no other way for you to see it, because you are a certain type of person. and guess what? that is OK. <img src=smilies/thumb.gif> just so you know, there's other kinds of people out there, including women. and thank god because I can't handle too much seriousness when it comes to sex. since I don't rape anyone, it's not my personal problem. if a woman wants me, sounds good to me.

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puduhead

07-09-2003, 09:00 PM

> It's not even a question of lowered inhibitions. It's a
> question of not being in the state of mind to be able to
> make an important decision in the manner in which you
> would otherwise be able to make it.

I rest my case your honor. you view sex far too seriously for me to relate with. http://www.zophar.net/wwwthreads/smilies/headshake.gif

have a nice day!

Steve, sorry I fucked up your thread. hope you have fun, however you deem appropriate.

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fairykiller

07-09-2003, 09:17 PM

> you still miss the point. what you are doing is applying
> your (and maybe women *you* know) views on sex to the rest
> of the world.

Nope. I was applying my point of view to this situation (i.e. Steve's situation).

You want my views on sex in general? Here they are:

I think sex is great. Of course, it sometimes depends on who you're having sex with. But I have nothing against consensual sex in almost any form.
However, I DO have something against having sex with a woman BECAUSE she is drunk when you do not know her well enough to know whether she really wants it or not. That would mean there's a pretty good chance that it's only consensual for the period of time in which she's drunk.
And do I have something against non consensual sex? Yes. But that is just my opinion. You don't have to share it.

> Do you think a chick that goes to a bar and meets men or
> gets together with a guy friend and has some drinks is not
> aware of what she is involved in?

Wow. Listen to yourself. I was just at a bar tonight with a few friends. A guy friend of mine had brought along a girl who had some drinks. She had a bit more than she should've and got quite tipsy. Now this guy really likes her and he thinks she *may* like him back. And (admittedly unlike me) he doesn't take sex very seriously, he's always been pretty casual about it. But guess what? He still dropped her home. Because "a chick that goes to a bar and meets men or gets together with a guy friend and has some drinks" does not necessarily want sex.

this is not a secret
> conspiracy to get women into the sack! there are people
> that get together, have some drinks, and end up getting
> laid. and they are ok with that.

If there is an understanding that she does, an understanding that was apparent when she was sober as well, then I would have nothing against her getting laid. That wasn't the kind of situation I was referring to. I was talking about Steve's situation in particular cause i thought that was what you were commenting on (he doesn't know her well enough to know what she wants beforehand, there's no understanding).

*Steve: This doesn't refer to you personally in any way. I'm just disagreeing with Pudu's original message to you (not implying anything about your actions of course.)

> you don't know what all women want either. being a woman
> doesn't make you spokeperson for all women. and yet you
> apply your personal views of what situation is appropriate
> to have sex to all women, as if those are their standards as
> well.

When did i do that? All women are free to have sex whenever and with whomever they want as far as I am concerned. It's just sex that they don't want that i think shouldn't be pushed on them when they're not in a state to resist. Again, even that is my opinion.

> give the female population a lot more credit for their
> diversity. they don't all do it your way.

Just because I'm a woman, I get accused of speaking for all women whenever I have an opinion? I don't think I did that anywhere in any of my posts. Just to clarify, EVERYTHING I say is JUST MY OPINION. I don't accuse you of speaking for all males (or all heterosexuals, or all smokers, or whatever category you fall under). And I'm not speaking for all women.

>the point is, it's a valid
> comment, not meant for the purpose of taking advantage, as
> you label it. but there is no other way for you to see it,
> because you are a certain type of person.

What type of person would that be? A person who doesn't like to see men have sex with women when they're drunk because its easier when they're drunk? Ooooh i must be a feminazi. Or a woman. Or something. Hmmm maybe I'm a rattlesnake. I always thought there was something wrong with my tail...

I wonder what type of person you are. Well, you know what... that never even occured to me before now. Because I don't like to categorize people based on a sample of their opinions. I would have the same argument with you if you were female, hated babies, reared horses, kept roses, screwed rattlesnakes, whatever.

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fairykiller

07-09-2003, 09:52 PM

It's a
> > question of not being in the state of mind to be able to
> > make an important decision in the manner in which you
> > would otherwise be able to make it.

> I rest my case your honor. you view sex far too seriously
> for me to relate with.

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wingless

07-09-2003, 10:09 PM

> screwed rattlesnakes, whatever.

techically, i think its rattlesnakes who screw people, not the other way around. ;)

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wingless

07-09-2003, 10:10 PM

> ok then, i'll stop trying

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puduhead

07-09-2003, 10:16 PM

> no hard feelings? okay now you two... get drunk and have
> makeup sex! err, i mean... have a consentual handshake.

No WAY! Women always rape me when I drink and I'm so fucking tired of it! <img src=smilies/cry.gif>

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Octocrook

07-09-2003, 10:17 PM

> word.
>
> you say she drinks a lot? maybe she will want to sex you up
> after an impressive game of bowling.

> knock down all her pins man!

First off, I'm almost impressed how this thread kinda blew up.

Secondly, as I first stated in that post, I don't even really care too much about the girl. Back then I did, but I'm definitely not 16 anymore. It's actually quite an enigma...as a 16 year old virgin, my standards were pretty low, but now as a 21 year old virgin, they are actually pretty high.

Back then, I didn't even really have to have much in common with a girl...I could engage in silly chat and manage to find attraction to her, even if she was simply ok looking (which this girl was at the time). Now, not only am I not prone to engaging in silly chat with just anyone, but my standards lookswise have increased since then, and I find myself wanting to have a number of things in common with the girl, which in this case, will almost certainly amount to just bowling...yippee. I know enough about her to know she doesn't like the same music and movies I do, and probably doesn't like South Park either, or games, etc etc. Not only that, but she's now a bit plumper. Seems to happen to every fucking girl I talk to...they get fatter. I dunno what it is...maybe I telepathically inject some of my fatness into them.

So bottom line, while I could probably get with this girl, I don't particularly want to. I'm not holding out for the 100% right girl or anything, but I'm not gonna make exceptions for what I want. I have bad luck with Jennifers anyways...she'd probably wind up psycho-attached to me or something.

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wingless

07-09-2003, 10:24 PM

> but she's now a bit plumper. Seems to happen to every
> fucking girl I talk to...they get fatter. I dunno what it
> is...maybe I telepathically inject some of my fatness into
> them.

i dont mean to be the girl that gets all weird and upset at the mention of something like this, i dont understand why her change in weight should matter. i'm definitely fatter than i was when i was 15/16, but people still consider me quite a catch. i just dont understand why you feel the need to mention that she's gained weight.

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puduhead

07-09-2003, 10:31 PM

> i dont mean to be the girl that gets all weird and upset at
> the mention of something like this, i dont understand why
> her change in weight should matter. i'm definitely fatter
> than i was when i was 15/16, but people still consider me
> quite a catch.

You are fetching my dear! http://websmileys.bei.t-online.de/div223.gif

> i just dont understand why you feel the need to mention that
> she's gained weight.

Twas where she gained it - all in her head. You should see the jowels on this girl. I've seen Rottweiler's run in fear of her gigantic heed.

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Octocrook

07-10-2003, 12:48 AM

> i dont mean to be the girl that gets all weird and upset at
> the mention of something like this, i dont understand why
> her change in weight should matter. i'm definitely fatter
> than i was when i was 15/16, but people still consider me
> quite a catch. i just dont understand why you feel the need
to mention that she's gained weight.

It's just a pattern I've noticed in a lot of girls I used to know and/or date. I mean it doesn't matter too much with this particular one, because I never thought she looked that great to begin with, but like with my ex, she used to be very good looking, and she musta gained about 60 lbs, and maybe it was that with other changes in her looks, but she just does not look very good anymore. To me, besides the extremes (extremely obese and extremely thin ie Kate Moss), weight is a matter of preference. I don't mind a girl that is a little overweight...in fact, I preferred the Brittany Murphy that was somewhat chunky as opposed to her thin figure now. When it gets to the point where you simply wonder if they'd be fit enough to exercise for 30 minutes though, that's simply not what I want, because although I myself am overweight, I'm a very active, somewhat fit person, and I would want someone who could also be active. Shit I dunno...maybe my standards are too high.

I think what it boils down to is that I've lived with my mom for all my life, and after my parents divorced, it was just me and her. In the last 7 or 8 years, she's become too fat and unhealthy to play tennis, which of course saddened me because that was one of the few activities I enjoyed doing with her. Perhaps that's why I want a girl that's at least a level below me in fitness. Keep in mind, I live in what has been considered by many the fittest city in the country, so that's not such a high demand.

But anyways, if it was a matter of like 10 things in common with someone and they happen to be fat, it wouldn't be a big deal, but I've got maybe 2 things in common with this girl, so it simply counts further against her. Sorta like little stuff adding up.

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SpaceTiger

07-10-2003, 02:51 AM

> First off, I'm almost impressed how this thread kinda blew
> up.

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SpaceTiger

07-10-2003, 02:54 AM

> I think sex is great. Of course, it sometimes depends on who
> you're having sex with.

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MooglyGuy

07-10-2003, 04:28 AM

> > I think sex is great. Of course, it sometimes depends on
> who
> > you're having sex with.
>
> Yes it is and yes it does.

Now now, Mrs. Thumb and her four daughters don't count.

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SpaceTiger

07-10-2003, 04:46 AM

> Now now, Mrs. Thumb and her four daughters don't count.

This is when fairykiller changes her title to Mrs. Thumb. <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

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Disch

07-10-2003, 04:48 AM

> Now now, Mrs. Thumb and her four daughters don't count.

They don't? Dammit.

That was probably the only change for a 6-some I ever had in my life... and it doesn't even count <img src=smilies/cry.gif>