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icenine0
09-07-2006, 03:04 AM
#1 - Does socialism work? People are always touting those energy-efficient Europeans with their free public healthcare and non-bankrupt welfare systems.

#2 - Does anyone here live in a really socialized country? What's life like? Can you still buy cool stuff and live a comfortable lifestyle, or does the government take everything but your two or three loaves of bread every month?
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icenine0
09-08-2006, 05:42 AM
Apparently, it sucks! Victory to the Free Market! Supply and demand!
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JadussD
09-09-2006, 03:00 PM
> #1 - Does socialism work? People are always touting those
> energy-efficient Europeans with their free public healthcare
> and non-bankrupt welfare systems.

I would say that it works well for a while, but creates social stagnation. Its like a utopian ideal that doesn't work towards its ideal, but just sort of stays rooted in capitalism, knowing that trying to reach the utopia is fruitless and destructive, and integrating this knowledge into the system. Its probably the best system ever from a self-centered point of view, but I think it can't last for centuries or anything, becasse its based on compassion, mercy, and helping the weak, and people who don't believe in these things will eventually take advantage of this and use it to their advantage.

Knowing this, socialist democracies tend to outlaw ideas which are "hateful", and try to "rehabilitate" (brainwash) those who advocate them via imprisonment. This means that they try to deny a certain part of human nature, and reality itself, through political correctness. Education becomes a form of egalitarian brainwashing, and history becomes a teleological advancement from ignorance to compassion and understanding. Socialist governments are unsustainable on the scale of centuries, as they are unequipped to fight those who rather than feeling like equals in a system of loving and caring, feel like victims of a the collective tyranny of the crowd. Many socialist countries have extremely short prison sentences, even for crimes such as murder. 20 years is the maximum prison sentence in Norway. It is conceivable to kill 3 people in your life, get caught and given the maximum sentence, and still be a free man when you're 80. This compassionate way of life will eventually provide a playground for those who don't feel the same way about socialism as others. I think history shows that denying certain parts of reality usually provides only a temporary respite from them, and rather than eliminating them, causes them to adapt to the system. For several generations, it will all be good; eventually, the system is overtaken by what by its very nature it is not equipped to fight.
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JadussD
09-09-2006, 03:08 PM
> #1 - Does socialism work? People are always touting those
> energy-efficient Europeans with their free public healthcare
> and non-bankrupt welfare systems.

> #2 - Does anyone here live in a really socialized country?
> What's life like? Can you still buy cool stuff and live a
> comfortable lifestyle, or does the government take
> everything but your two or three loaves of bread every
> month?

How to create compassion in a society: Execute everyone who commits crimes like rape, murder, or robbery. Engage in selfish wars for power which result in the deaths of the selfish people who provided the impetus for these wars in the first place.

How to eliminate compassion in a society: Give everyone light prison sentences, allow them conjugal visits. Drive the darkest urges of a populace into their subconscious, and into the criminal underground. Ensure by not embracing the means to fight these dark urges, that they slowly grow over time into something which overpowers that which repressed it.

HUMANS CAN'T WIN; THEY WILL BE DESTROYED BY THAT WHICH THEY REPRESS.
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Goku
09-10-2006, 03:19 PM
> #1 - Does socialism work? People are always touting those
> energy-efficient Europeans with their free public healthcare
> and non-bankrupt welfare systems.

I like my free healthcare. Taxes are a bitch though. I have made 56k (cdn) so far this year and I have paid $17.8k in taxes.


> #2 - Does anyone here live in a really socialized country?
> What's life like? Can you still buy cool stuff and live a
> comfortable lifestyle, or does the government take
> everything but your two or three loaves of bread every
> month?

The less money you make, the less you get taxed. I am well paid at the moment. Unfortunately, I am temporary so I can lose my job at any time. The main issue effecting canada right is the same as the states. Most of the good manufacturing jobs are closing up shop and moving to the third world. Further, are politicians are lying know it all dumb asses (a universal truth i think).

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CEpeep
09-10-2006, 04:35 PM
Hey man! I haven't seen you around in awhile. Hope everything's been good for you and your wife.
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Goku
09-13-2006, 11:22 PM
Things are good.

I dont come around here much because I do not have the time to come on the internet all that much anymore. Married life does that!

I troll here every now and then but I do not often find a topic that I am interested enough in to post.

> Hey man! I haven't seen you around in awhile. Hope
> everything's been good for you and your wife.
>

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Porchmonkey
09-21-2006, 12:47 AM
Dude, I would like to have free healthcare for everyone but 17.8 out of 56k is freaking steep. I thought I got boned on taxes.
I mean, fuck that's sucks. I'd rather pay for my own doc when I'm sick unless I had some kind of condition... Then I'd prefer insurance.

Libertarian all the way. I think we just should get rid of al income tax and do a national sales tax.

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shawn
09-21-2006, 12:54 AM
> Dude, I would like to have free healthcare for everyone but
> 17.8 out of 56k is freaking steep. I thought I got boned on
> taxes.
> I mean, fuck that's sucks. I'd rather pay for my own doc
> when I'm sick unless I had some kind of condition... Then
> I'd prefer insurance.

> Libertarian all the way. I think we just should get rid of
> al income tax and do a national sales tax.

You know I can agree with you all the way except for people making like 10 million a year+ and then we still need some income tax just to keep the scales balanced a bit even if it was 10 or 20% because who's to say they just wouldn't go out of the country and buy somewheres without a sales tax. <img src=smilies/cwm11.gif>
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Porchmonkey
09-21-2006, 01:18 AM
> You know I can agree with you all the way except for people
> making like 10 million a year+ and then we still need some
> income tax just to keep the scales balanced a bit even if it
> was 10 or 20% because who's to say they just wouldn't go out
> of the country and buy somewheres without a sales tax.

You got a point there with rich motherfuckers. I think they owe society a little more than I do nigga I'm strugglin and shit. That didn't cross my mind. But I think we can balance it out, I mean make fuckers report their shit and if they don't goodie goodie take their shit. Plus, the more expensive something is it could have a higher salestax rate. I dunno, I think it could work. I mean for me I would work save money and subsistence farm for food and not buy unnecesary shit.

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shawn
09-21-2006, 01:31 AM
Hell you really want to get people to pay thier fair share then reinstate the tariffs. I know it's good having all that cheap shit from overseas but if all those computer manufacturers had to pay say 15% tariff on imports from low wage countries you'ld see some big bucks. You'ld also see a lot of jobs coming back to the US and that would mean less welfare and more taxpayers also.

That's where the big money is, hiring people for $2/hr and pay little or no taxes, and sell everything dirt cheap and make your company a few billion dollars a year while most people work thier asses off just to keep food on the table and the rent paid. <img src=smilies/cwm11.gif>
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Porchmonkey
09-21-2006, 01:34 AM
I'm definately with you on that man, for sure. Outsourcing sucks.
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shawn
09-21-2006, 01:38 AM
> I'm definately with you on that man, for sure. Outsourcing
> sucks.
>
Then you would like the only smart man left in corporate news. Lou Doubs from Moneyline. That man is a god and doesn't pull any punches when it comes to outsourcing and corporate bullshit. <img src=smilies/cwm11.gif>
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Porchmonkey
09-21-2006, 01:42 AM
Oh yeah I love a rich motherfucker with stocks in big ass companies telling me that outsourcing is good for the working man.
Nigga you ain't worked a day in your life shut the fuck up.
I know its getting hard as fuck to find jobs though.

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shawn
09-21-2006, 01:51 AM
But it's hard counting all that money, or is it spending it.
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