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SwampGas
08-04-2006, 07:33 PM
There's protesters running around screaming "death to israel" and "death to america". They're burning flags. They're publically gathering.
This is what we call freedom. You're welcome.
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CEpeep
08-04-2006, 07:38 PM
> There's protesters running around screaming "death to
> israel" and "death to america". They're burning flags.
> They're publically gathering.
>
> This is what we call freedom. You're welcome.
They would have been able to do that before.
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SwampGas
08-04-2006, 08:44 PM
> They would have been able to do that before.
Was that before or after they were executed for not voting for sadaam in the election?
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Reaper man
08-04-2006, 09:02 PM
There's protesters running around screaming "death to fags" and "death to niggers". They're burning crosses. They're publically gathering.
This is what we call freedom. You're welcome.
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SwampGas
08-04-2006, 10:42 PM
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JadussD
08-04-2006, 11:27 PM
> There's protesters running around screaming "death to
> israel" and "death to america". They're burning flags.
> They're publically gathering.
>
> This is what we call freedom. You're welcome.
"People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use." -- Soren Kierkegaard
Freedom is an illusion. Freedom as its understood is a mere distortion of reality. A "free" society defines its own concept of freedom, which constantly shifts depending on whoever is manipulating the illusion. As soon as an overt method of control is done away with, a more subtle means takes its place. The British aristocrats become the wealthy colonial American land-owning Aristocracy, who become the captains of industry, who become the mass media, who still create the illusion of freedom, who still control everything by manipulating our view of reality. Now we have the Internet. The Internet is dissolving all ability to control information. So who's going to define what "freedom" means now?
Well, no one. Most people are sheep, so they'll stumble about the world of ideas, latching on to whoever is best at manipulating them into their own false brand of reality. People will enslave themselves to whatever lie suits them and believe they are individuals, engaging themselves in every frivolous and unhealthy distraction which jumps for their dollars, so that they can keep themselves from analysing the way they live, and keep themselves from realizing how ego-centric, wasteful, and detached from the natural state of human existence they have become. And then, the illusion of democracy will fail, democracy requiring a sheep-like consensus and a class of people who hold the real power by creating the fake world which exists in the minds of the populace. Even as elections occur, the masses will know that their political power is an illusion.
But what happens when reality catches up? When this digital facade disappears and all of the "individuals" who care more about their new friends on myspace than anything have to deal with urgent problems like scarity, overpopulation, terrorism and the depletion of natural resources? What can fill this power vacuum in the world of actual power? What will rise from the ashes of our current power structure? Who will pick up all this cool weaponry we have laying around? As the current control structure decays, the established elites become more shameless in their corruption, becoming a decaying network of increasingly irrelevent good ol' boys, incompetent fools whom increasingly few really trust, spoiled brats who were practically born into their station in life; degenerate shadows of the men who came before them, who turn to greed and corruption out of the same selfishness and lack of purpose which drains the rest of post-modern America.
So who's going to tell us we're free next? Will anyone believe them or care? I think people are just going to go to school, go to work, pick up the kids from soccer practice, call the babysitter, file their income taxes, mow their lawns, play video games, go shopping for useless shit they don't need, watch DVDs, buy trendy devices made by Apple, pay $30 to see a baseball game in a park named after a cell phone company, give their kids Ritalin because they can't focus, file for divorce, or engage in any of the activities that keep Americans occupied, fat, ignorant, and desperate for fulfillment. And after the 10,000,000th time someone tells them how great it is to be free, they'll stop believing it.
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icenine0
08-05-2006, 12:44 AM
I wonder if after this roundabout, people will actually start to get bored with the human experience. An unpleasant fact that's seldom addressed is that, no matter where we go or how far we advance, we're the same old species running in the same old treadmill. Consume, reproduce, avoid boredom, avoid pain, seek pleasure, repeat repeat repeat.
Really, in developed countries, the most pressing problems have been solved. We can work and eat and not starve to death. We have access to vaccines and medications for disease. We have very little left to do except perpetually invent new ways to stave off boredom.
I don't think humans are the end object of spacetime like we make ourselves out to be. We're thinking "Oh! Look! Sentience! This is new and cool; we must be the pinnacle of creation!," but we might be just another step on the ladder, like the first fish who walked on to land.
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JadussD
08-05-2006, 08:25 AM
> I don't think humans are the end object of spacetime like we
> make ourselves out to be. We're thinking "Oh! Look!
> Sentience! This is new and cool; we must be the pinnacle of
> creation!," but we might be just another step on the ladder,
> like the first fish who walked on to land.
The sheer irony of it all is that we have all this freaking amazing brain matter, this huge neo-cortex, and yet all of our functions seem basically completely controlled by fear. Fear of death, or really just fear was the whole basis of our mental development since animals grew brains. Its the original instinct, along with pleasure-seeking, that's been with us since we were reptiles. Only those who overcome their fear and replace it with a higher consciousness of their role within eternity can transcend their animal selves. Unfortunately, humanity as a whole seems to create a Representation of the original Will of which they are formed that is highly inaccurate, creating boogeymen from primal instincts which they allow themselves to be manipulated by. The only free man is the man who in his mind sees beyond the shadows cast by his reptilian brain, who before decaying back into the earth, overcomes himself and his illusion of being separate from that which surrounds him, who knows that the only reason he can't feel what the ground he walks on feels is that his nerves do not extend into it, and allows his deeds, not really being separate from himself, to shine on into eternity. Only then is he truly free--free of illusion, free of bondage to manipulators, and living on through the words and deeds he leaves behind. That's what's dead: heroism. All our heroes are celebrities, because a heroism can't be sold. Only the tortured, confused self remains, stripped of context and obsessed with its illusory wants and needs, being stuck in a prison of cheap plastic products which break in 2 years, and subject at every turn to careful psychological operations designed to raid the beaten, confused half-beast that man has become of his dollars and his dignity in a maze of lies designed to create the illusion of fulfillment for a brief, profitable moment.
So where are all the men who have overcome their fear? Are they merely silent, and if so, are they ready to speak? Where are those who don't need the illusions which everyone clings to out of desperation, who want to create a world which exists for something beyond themselves? Who aren't embarassed to use bold words which offend by promoting truth and the creation of ever greater things as more important than popularity? Where are those who speak loudly and boldly in contrast to the detached stream of words which come from the mouths of the defeated masses, who have not ideas but a mish-mash of ineffectual opinions which are all supposedly equally valid, if we are to believe the cacophony of their self-defeating voice? Where are the men who transcend the present and create the future?
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Danoz
08-05-2006, 10:58 AM
> There's protesters running around screaming "death to fags"
> and "death to niggers". They're burning crosses. They're
> public ally gathering.
> This is what we call freedom. You're welcome.
Whoah... there's a small percentage of strange fundamentalists who would picket that, and a sign anything like the latter would bring about ass kickings, angry mobs and media attention from both the white AND black population. To say that homophobia and racism in America are anywhere as prominent as anti-Semitism and hatred of Western culture in the Middle East is fairly reckless (which of course, is the implication of your post).
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Ugly Joe
08-05-2006, 04:18 PM
> Where are the men who transcend the
> present and create the future?
Waiting for the "Antichrist and antinihilist; this victor over God and nothingness", eh?
Somehow Nietzsche loses his edge when you're seeing his ideas spouted on an emulation forum.
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Dark Knight Kain
08-06-2006, 01:18 AM
> This is what we call freedom. You're welcome.
That's funny, because they had more freedom under Hussein then they do now under occupation…
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Porchmonkey
08-06-2006, 03:49 AM
Dude man, that was fucking impressive. I just gotta throw out props for a post like that. The fucking most mind-provoking and intrigueing, philosophical post I've ever read on message board in a non blog site.
I dunno if its just cuz I'm incredibly stoned, but I was really feeling what you was sayin dude.
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JadussD
08-06-2006, 07:48 AM
> Waiting for the "Antichrist and antinihilist; this victor
> over God and nothingness", eh?
>
> Somehow Nietzsche loses his edge when you're seeing his
> ideas spouted on an emulation forum.
Very good point!
I invite all to not read a mere regurgitation of his ideas (and writing style, hehe) on an emulation forum, but to read his actual ideas, in what I feel is the best introduction to them:
http://www.mala.bc.ca/~johnstoi/Nietzsche/beyondgoodandevil_tofc.htmBeyond Good and Evil: A Prelude to a Future Philosophy</A>
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SpaceTiger
08-06-2006, 09:07 PM
> There's protesters running around screaming "death to
> israel" and "death to america". They're burning flags.
> They're publically gathering.
>
> This is what we call freedom.
Actually, yeah, it is what we call freedom. If they were Americans, perhaps they'd rejoice this freedom despite many of the other things we've given them (e.g. war, political instability), but they're not Americans. We chose which sacrifices they'd make and we decided what was most important for them. Why is it so shocking that some of the Iraqi people don't appreciate that?
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Reaper man
08-07-2006, 09:48 PM
> Whoah... there's a small percentage of strange
> fundamentalists who would picket that, and a sign anything
> like the latter would bring about ass kickings, angry mobs
> and media attention from both the white AND black
> population.
I'm pretty sure the same Ku Klux Klan still does the same shit. I mean sure there aren't many of them, but erase the "death to niggers" part and you still have a good portion of the Christian extremists.
> To say that homophobia and racism in America are
> anywhere as prominent as anti-Semitism and hatred of Western
> culture in the Middle East is fairly reckless (which of
> course, is the implication of your post).
<s>reply to be continued later...</s> (sorry about that, I'm at a library and my session expired)
anyway, the point that I was trying to make is that we have extremists like that here also. Also, I am betting that like here, the people that are burning flags chanting all of those remarks are a small percentage of the total population. If I recall correctly a lot of the citizens in Iraq welcome the government changes and are happy that Saddam is out of power.
in other words... it's pointless to state that people are burning flags and saying "death to america", when we have hateful shit like that in our country. Not only that, but adding the freedom line is bullshit too, becasue guess what? They were doing the exact same shit before we invaded. All in all I completely debunked his statement.
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soniczip
08-08-2006, 12:03 AM
ninja testicles
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Dark Knight Kain
08-08-2006, 02:19 AM
> ninja testicles
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JadussD
08-08-2006, 02:28 AM
> > ninja testicles
>
LOL
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SwampGas
08-08-2006, 02:44 AM
for communist purposes only.
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JadussD
08-10-2006, 07:55 PM
> There's protesters running around screaming "death to
> israel" and "death to america". They're burning flags.
> They're publically gathering.
>
> This is what we call freedom. You're welcome.
In Iraq, there were 1,800 people killed in sectarian violence in July. They're shooting each other. They're blowing themselves up. They're publically executing rival factions.
This is what we call death. Allah allu akbar.
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CEpeep
08-10-2006, 09:00 PM
> This is what we call death. Allah allu akbar.
>
MOAR LIEK CIVIL WAR AMIRITE?
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