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blackize
05-09-2003, 11:33 PM
I just can't fucking believe it: my best friend, who has been battling lyme disease (among other illnesses) most of his life, has decided to resort to binge drinking and started to smoke marijuana. I made it clear to him that he is risking a lot by doing what he is doing, in the condition that he is in. Yet, the stupid son of a bitch will not listen to me. I did something that I would never do to anyone, and that is my decision to talk to my school's substance abuse counselor. I made an appointment on Monday to discuss the situation further. But, I just can't fucking believe that my friend would do this. It's not like I'm against drinking or taking the occasional hit, but for this kid, he could end up seriously ill.

To make things worse, one of his other "friends," decided to black mail the kid: she said that if Will (my friend) does not get high with her and her friend Alex, then she will tell Will's parents about his drinking. I made it perfectly clear to Will that she is not a true friend and that she is not what she makes herself out to be. Instead, she's a cut-throat bitch who's fucking with my friend's head and making him do shit he otherwise would not do. To clarify things, the reason Will would do drugs since she told him to, is because Will has been in love with this chick for years.

I'm pissed since Will's angry at me for trying to stop his habits and make him get help for his problems, because I am his true friend and I genuinely care about Will and his health. The girl on the other hand knows she can manipulate Jimmy and does it for her benefit. Yet, he isn't mad at her. What the fuck is wrong with this? What else should I do?

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Lobster Cowboy
05-09-2003, 11:43 PM
i hardly think someone who smokes marijuna and drinks is a junkie. i knew a girl who lived her life by a heroin needle, and i'd call her a junkie before some pothead who drinks too much

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ricardobaltazar
05-10-2003, 12:47 AM
> i hardly think someone who smokes marijuna and drinks is a
> junkie. i knew a girl who lived her life by a heroin
> needle, and i'd call her a junkie before some pothead who
> drinks too much

Yeah, junkie is too strong of a word for someone who drinks and smokes marijuana. By that definition, how many junkies would we have on this board?

It does sound like he's getting jerked around by his "friends" though. That's what I would consider the real problem right now. If he's just doing drugs because of what other people say/do, it's the wrong reason.

How old is he by the way? If he's an underclassman in high school then I would be worried about his use more. If he's in college though, I'd say moderate use is pretty normal and not a major concern unless it starts affecting other areas of his life.

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puduhead
05-10-2003, 02:17 AM
Yeah, that's crazy.

BUt if that qualifies him as a junkie, than so am I.

Of course, I hold down a steady job and give back to the community in the form of ass-rapings by the IRS. So if that's junkie-life, we need some even harsher terms for the crack-ho lowlifes that trade their food stamps in for any high they can get their spoiled hands on.

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shawn
05-10-2003, 02:41 AM
Junkie is the absolute wrong word, a junkie is used for pill popper, or coke or heroin users that are addicted, and I myself have smoke pot all the time, hell I'm here high a lot and it doesn't affect my thinking a bit except to make me feel more relaxed and in a fun/joking mood. I wouldn't worry to much about it, pot is probably making him feel better because it's a great pain reliever muscle relaxant and should be legal but since it does such a great job and can be grown for free it would kill profits from some major prescription drugs and a lot of polititions and thier families/friends own drug company stocks and they would lose money if the stock price dropped so they'll never do that. Pot in my eyes is 100X better and safer than alcohol if used in moderation, support your friend and get off thier ass or you may not have a friend anymore just because you don't think they are making a proper decision, remember friends don't aways agree but it doesn't make them bad people or drug addicts, and the government/schools and people that have never used pot are the only ones that will tell you otherwise, be a friend not a judge. <img src=smilies/cwm11.gif>

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puduhead
05-10-2003, 02:43 AM
One of these days Shawn, you and I need to smoke some up together!! <img src=smilies/biggthumpup.gif>

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shawn
05-10-2003, 02:48 AM
> One of these days Shawn, you and I need to smoke some up
> together!!
>
Just some??? <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

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puduhead
05-10-2003, 02:52 AM
> > One of these days Shawn, you and I need to smoke some up
> > together!!

> Just some???

I use the term loosely. <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>

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Quasius
05-10-2003, 03:25 AM
Um... at the very least pot is very cancer-causing. I do think it is made out to be a bigger deal than it is, but the idea that pot is harmless is rediculous.

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shawn
05-10-2003, 03:29 AM
> Um... at the very least pot is very cancer-causing. I do
> think it is made out to be a bigger deal than it is, but the
> idea that pot is harmless is rediculous.
>

But once you get cancer you can smoke some to make you feel great after Kemotherapy *SP*, besides I smoke cigarette and have already had liver disease and I don't smoke a lot so I'm not really doing that much damage with it, like anything if not abused and used in moderation it isn't that bad at all. <img src=smilies/cwm11.gif>

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Quasius
05-10-2003, 03:29 AM
Bottom line: pot is illegal. They put people in jail for it. I am not saying that is right, but it is a fact. And I see zero reason for anyone to risk that. Pot can't be that good. Of course I know everyone thinks it will never happen to them...
A very god friend lost his scholarship and got suspended for a semester (effectively removing him from college) for smoking. You want it legal? Fine. Lobby for it. (Or is that corruption, hmm?) But it is not worth the risk now. And even if you decide it is worth it to you, no one has any business trying to convince someone else to smoke.

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puduhead
05-10-2003, 04:10 AM
> And even if you decide it is worth it to you, no one has any
> business trying to convince someone else to smoke.

Bah!

I would have expected more from a college student! /wwwthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

dude, honestlty, I smoked pot only once at a party. But give it a break!? is it really any worse as a recreational substance than drinking? no. But the government has banned it. While you can respect the legality of the situation, you can also keep an open mind to the perspective that perhaps the US government are being nazi-bastards on this issue and should take a second look at their policies.

If we are making LEGAL prescriptions for a drug that is no more habit-forming than alcohol, we ought to make that shit legal.

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shawn
05-10-2003, 04:13 AM
I'm almost 40 and have never been busted, most cops will confiscate the weed or just tell you to get lost if your respectful and honest to them, they don't really give a shit about someone smoking a joint because it's just a lot of paperwork for them and unless you have over an ounce or are caught selling you probably looking at a $300 fine for possession, most cops aren't like on Cops the TV show *these cops are pricks and assholes from what I've seen* because most cops don't have a camera taping thier every move so they usually just make a judgement call and give you a break, and yes I have had cops catch me smoking quite a few times and nothing ever happened except them telling me to get lost and keep out of trouble which is very cool in my book. Remember just because somethings illegal doesn't mean you will get busted for it. <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

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fairykiller
05-10-2003, 07:46 PM
like anything
> if not abused and used in moderation it isn't that bad at
> all.

I'm with you there. I have a friend who smoked so much that he was pretty much always high, he had to take a year off from college, and he had tons of medical problems - but he was always smoking. Pot can fuck things up for you if you're using it excessively, like most things, notably alcohol. But there's really no harm done if you're smoking once in a while. It's not even as addictive as cigarettes. In my opinion, cigarettes really are worse for you - because they're so addictive, most cigarette smokers tend to smoke more cigarettes as compared to most people who smoke joints, making them more susceptible to cancer.

As for the issue of pot being legal, I read an article a while ago that had some interesting statistics - fewer locals smoke pot in Amsterdam (where pot is legal) than in an equivalent population sample from cities in America (where pot is illegal). And among young people in Amsterdam, excessive use of pot is negligible.
So legalizing pot might actually reduce excessive use and level out moderate use. My opinion - I don't think there's anything wrong with moderate use, and it is happening in spite of legal restrictions. So there's no point in having them. Excessive smoking among young people generally happens because of the rebellion, 'coolness', whatever, that is associated with doing something wrong. In my opinion, if you take away that association, you'll probably end up with fewer extreme cases.

There's the other point of view of course - that pot shouldn't be legal because of it's immediate effect. So say there's a bus driver driving children home from school. If he smokes 10 cigarettes on the job he might eventually have personal medical complications, but his immediate driving abilities wouldn't be affected. However, only a relatively small amount of pot might immediately affect his driving, and he'd be endangering other lives. Comparable to alcohol, except it's easier to carry pot around and it's not as easy to detect immediate effects.


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puduhead
05-10-2003, 08:06 PM
> Excessive smoking among young people generally happens
> because of the rebellion, 'coolness', whatever, that is
> associated with doing something wrong. In my opinion, if you
> take away that association, you'll probably end up with
> fewer extreme cases.

I like your points. I think they could be true for this country too. I think our country should find out.

> *snip* However, only a relatively
> small amount of pot might immediately affect his driving,
> and he'd be endangering other lives. Comparable to alcohol,
> except it's easier to carry pot around and it's not as easy
> to detect immediate effects.

<img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif> this reminds me of this absolutely stupid anti-pot commercial I saw during the movie previews at the theatre. Where these guys are smoking pot in their car at a fast-food drivethrough, and they are too stoned to roll down the window and order. So they drive off and hit a little kid riding her bike.

I was like WTF??

I don't buy that sort of anti-pot campaign. The driver of that vehicle could have had a bad cold, drank some nyquil, then gone for a drive for burgers.

The substance isn't the problem, as we have MANY substances that should not be used while driving. Responsible use of the substance is the issue. And keeping that in mind, the same responsibility to be responsible resides with everyone, regardless of what particular substance they use.

So I thought this ad campaign was a total cheap shot, and not a very intelligent or well thought out one either.

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SpaceTiger
05-10-2003, 10:17 PM
> Um... at the very least pot is very cancer-causing.

Pot smoking is slightly more carcinogenic than cigarette smoking if smoked in the same amounts. Pot is strong enough, however, that most smoke it in much smaller amounts. Even the worst potheads only smoke a small fraction of what a heavily addicted cigarette smoker does.

It can be harmful, but not as harmful as cigarettes.

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Narvick
05-10-2003, 10:39 PM
Man when you said a "junkie", I thought you meant heroin

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ricardobaltazar
05-11-2003, 12:34 AM
> Man when you said a "junkie", I thought you meant heroin

Heh, this reminds me of that scene in Half Baked with Bob Saget.

"Marijuana is not a drug. I've sucked dick for coke. Have you ever sucked dick for marijuana?"

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type_x
05-11-2003, 01:42 AM
> Junkie is the absolute wrong word, a junkie is used for pill popper, or coke or heroin users that are addicted, and I myself have smoke pot all the time, hell I'm here high a lot and it doesn't affect my thinking a bit except to make me feel more relaxed and in a fun/joking mood. I wouldn't worry to much about it, pot is probably making him feel better because it's a great pain reliever muscle relaxant and should be legal but since it does such a great job and can be grown for free it would kill profits from some major prescription drugs and a lot of polititions and thier families/friends own drug company stocks and they would lose money if the stock price dropped so they'll never do that. Pot in my eyes is 100X better and safer than alcohol if used in moderation, support your friend and get off thier ass or you may not have a friend anymore just because you don't think they are making a proper decision, remember friends don't aways agree but it doesn't make them bad people or drug addicts, and the government/schools and people that have never used pot are the only ones that will tell you otherwise, be a friend not a judge.

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fairykiller
05-11-2003, 04:14 AM
> Heh, this reminds me of that scene in Half Baked

I don't do drugs. Only weeeed.

I love that movie <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

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ricardobaltazar
05-11-2003, 04:18 AM
> I love that movie

Ever posted on ZMD?

Ever posted on ZMD... on marijuana? <img src=smilies/laff.gif>

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fairykiller
05-11-2003, 04:26 AM
> Ever posted on ZMD... on marijuana?

HAHAHAHA<img src=smilies/laff.gif><img src=smilies/laff.gif><img src=smilies/laff.gif>

For $400 I got Jerry Garcia in a pouch, man...

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Quasius
05-12-2003, 01:48 PM
> While you can respect the legality of the situation,
> you can also keep an open mind to the perspective that
> perhaps the US government are being nazi-bastards on this
> issue and should take a second look at their policies.

Read what I said carefully. I am not saying that pot should or should not be legal. I am saying that I cannot see how it is worth the risk since it is ilegal.

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ricardobaltazar
05-12-2003, 01:58 PM
> Read what I said carefully. I am not saying that pot should
> or should not be legal. I am saying that I cannot see how
> it is worth the risk since it is ilegal.

Depending on where you live it's not that big of a risk. In Canada and some parts of the United States (Oregon comes to mind), posession of small amounts of marijuana is not a criminal offense and is punishable by only a small fine. That's assuming you even get caught. As long as one uses the drug in the privacy of their own home and doesn't make an obvious show of it in public, the chance of involvement by law enforcement is slim to none. I've known people who've simply had their marijuana and pipe confiscated by officers simply because they had better things to do (like catching murderers and rapists) than hauling someone in for a petty drug charge.

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shawn
05-12-2003, 02:16 PM
> As long as one uses the
> drug in the privacy of their own home and doesn't make an
> obvious show of it in public, the chance of involvement by
> law enforcement is slim to none.
>
I just bought an air purifier at Walmart for $25 and even if a cop walked into my house right after I smoked a bong they wouldn't know a thing unless I left the bong or pot in plain site, but that's just a secondary bonus because I actually bought it to kill the cigarette smoke and odor in the house, isn't technology great. <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

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blackize
05-12-2003, 04:03 PM
> I hate to say this, but this may be one of those things he
> has to figure out on his own. I hate situations like this,
> because the act of trying to be a good friend gets you in
> trouble with him.

I held an informative conversation with my friend last Friday. It turns out he is against the whole pot issue and that he confirmed he only smoked out of fear that the girl would've told his parents that he drinks. He keeps saying that this girl has "power" over him (a.k.a he's madly in love with her). I read him the riot act about that, too, because a true friend doesn't pressure others into doing something they're against, thus he should drop her totally.

He ain't buying it.

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Goku
05-13-2003, 12:48 AM
Not necessarily true about Canada. Right now there is alot of talk about repealing the marijuana laws and making small amounts punishable by fine. Right now it is just talk though.

With that said, alot of cops will look past small amounts of marijuana unless they want you off the street. It is not worth their time for the paperwork. Then there are also some hard asses too!

Depends on the cop and the location where you live! Still, currently Marijuana is illegal except for doctor prescribed medicinal use!

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