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pipes
03-19-2006, 07:48 AM
Maybe I shouldn't ask a what if question, but I want to.
What if everything you know is wrong?
What if?
Its crazy to think about. The world would really be fucked up!
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CEpeep
03-19-2006, 03:40 PM
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Ugly Joe
03-19-2006, 05:32 PM
> What if everything you know is wrong?
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JadussD
03-19-2006, 07:03 PM
> Maybe I shouldn't ask a what if question, but I want to.
> What if everything you know is wrong?
> What if?
> Its crazy to think about. The world would really be fucked
> up!
What if there was no such thing as right and wrong?
What if you really had no rights?
What if your very sense of self is a clever illusion, and what you think of as life and death is just part of a much bigger process that everyone is a part of?
What if there was no meaning to this process?
What if "death" was beneficial to "life"?
What if progress was decay? What if they were the same thing depending on who you are, and what your ideals are?
What if a lie was beneficial, and knowing the truth would hurt you?
Why do some people seek to find out the truth? Why not seek out lies? If we can't reliably say that our senses perceive reality, can we truly be certain which one is being sought? Similarly, if we start with ANY false assumption and build our ideas upon it, aren't all of the future ideas tainted by it? If at ANY point a false idea is inserted into the progression of ideas and not removed, won't ANY future idea become highly questionable?
None of these are in any way, shape, or form new ideas...
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soniczip
03-19-2006, 09:42 PM
> Maybe I shouldn't ask a what if question, but I want to.
> What if everything you know is wrong?
> What if?
What if everyone were made of lettuce?
What if Jack Thompson was never born?
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?
The world may never know.
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Everything you know is wrong.
Black is white, up is down, and short is long.
And everything you thought was just so important doesn't matter.
Everything you know is wrong.
Just forget the words and sing along.
All you need to understand is everything you know is wrong.
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Mikey
03-20-2006, 06:40 PM
> How many licks does it take to get to the center of a
> tootsie pop?
>
> The world may never know.
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Dark Knight Kain
03-20-2006, 06:52 PM
> 683
I was actually crazy enough to do that when I was five, ended up somewhere around 700.
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Mikey
03-20-2006, 06:59 PM
> I was actually crazy enough to do that when I was five,
> ended up somewhere around 700.
I have nothing better to do with my life.
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Audigy
03-20-2006, 09:57 PM
> > What if everything you know is wrong?
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Funny, I also think of that game ever time I hear that phrase. ;D
Also, go play Star Ocean: Till the End of Time. It's all about reality distortion.
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Drako_Dragon
03-20-2006, 11:38 PM
> Maybe I shouldn't ask a what if question, but I want to.
> What if everything you know is wrong?
> What if?
> Its crazy to think about. The world would really be fucked
> up!
They Might Be Giants - Everything Right Is Wrong Again
Everything right is wrong again
Just like in the long long trailer
All the dishes got broken and the car kept driving
And nobody would stop to save her
Wake me when it's over, touch my face
Tell me every word has been erased
Don't you want to know the reason
Why the cupboard's not appealing
Don't you get the feeling that
Everything that's right is wrong again
You're a weasel overcome with dinge
Weasel overcome but not before the damage done
The healing doesn't stop the feeling
Everything right is wrong again
Just like in the long long trailer
All the dishes got broken and the car kept driving
And nobody would stop to save her
And now the song is over now
And now the song is over now
And now the song is over now
The song is over now
Everything right is wrong again
Every movement false, every four is waltz again
Every five and dime's been gained and spent
Tell me that you like my float upstream
Draw the line dividing laugh and scream
You know everything that I know so I know
You've heard the voice that makes the silent noise
That says that
Everything that's right is wrong again
You're a weasel overcome with dinge
Weasel overcome but not before the damage done
The healing doesn't stop the feeling
Everything right is wrong again
Just like in the long long trailer
All the dishes got broken and the car kept driving
And nobody would stop to save her
And now the song is over now
And now the song is over now
And now the song is over now
The song is over now
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Viewtiful Bob
03-21-2006, 06:11 AM
> What if everything you know is wrong?
If that happened... I would blame it on THE MAN always watching me... they can take away my knowledge, but they'll never take my gun! Except now it's a water gun because I knew it was a real gun and that turned out to be wrong!
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icenine0
03-21-2006, 04:21 PM
What if philosophical thought is a completely ineffective process? What if all our contradictory ideas are evidence that human brains are tiny, recent, insignificant, and overall incapable of grasping the true nature of the universe on any level?
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JadussD
03-22-2006, 01:02 AM
> What if philosophical thought is a completely ineffective
> process? What if all our contradictory ideas are evidence
> that human brains are tiny, recent, insignificant, and
> overall incapable of grasping the true nature of the
> universe on any level?
Yes, but the position that philosophical thought is a completely ineffective process can only be developed through philosophical thought, thus making such a proposition highly questionable. The idea that human brains are tiny and incapable of grasping the nature of the universe would suggest to me that human beings could be improved to such a point that they can. And what do you mean by humans? Humanity contains everything from drooling retards to a few individuals with IQs higher than 200. And what do you mean by "human"? To say that we're all humans is to put a static label on humanity, when it is diverse and becomes something different with each generation produced. If one had an IQ of 140, it would seem that they are justified in thinking that they are intelligent, but what would someone with an IQ of 199 say? How can the person with an IQ of 140 reliably say what a person with an IQ of 199 can grasp? What if the person with an IQ of 199 realized something that he could discuss with people of similar intellectual capabilities, but which was so complex that it absolutely could not be put into layman's terms? He might be able to seek out other people who could grasp it, maybe some who would think they could grasp it, but deceived themselves, and everyone else would just be confused.
As for our contradictory ideas, what if rather than being the pursuit of ideas, philosophy has, as a whole, been the pursuit of all ideas? No matter how right or wrong, truthful or untruthful, tasteful or distasteful one may consider it to be, any realm of ideas will be explored by someone and be written about. Almost any idea has an antithesis, if one looks hard enough. In this way, all ideas must contradict each other, if human beings are inclined to explore all "possible" ideas, which I think they are.
Even if the whole of philosophy is a conglomeration of all ideas that contradict each other, certainly some ideas are more valuable than others? Even if any truth can only be approached, is it not better to approach it than to approach a useless, or even harmful falsehood? The truth may evade us, but that which is false can be shown as such.
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Cradle of Filth
03-23-2006, 08:44 PM
What if thinking of existing is existence? does that mean's that thinking of not existing is nonexistence?
in french it was: si penser etre est l'existence, esque penser le non etre est l'inexistence?
... or something like that, its hard to keep up with what my friends sais! like they are all a bunch of DEEP people! like you can't pass a day with out requestioning your purpos in life or why you did not die yester day when that guy was not looking at the road when driving. well i should connect on MSN just to speak with him and post what ever he sais sins there is not one word exept hello that will be nonphilosophic!
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Venomthekid
05-03-2006, 10:01 PM
I'm sorry, this may sound kiddish, but that is a cute kitten!
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