Islamic Idiocy at its fullest.

[soniczip]

Sorry to make a new thread about a similar topic, but just know I had to.

Well, I was looking at the reviews for <a href=http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/295289>YAAFM 12</a>, and I came across this:
<img src=http://www.geocities.com/ikeeyebee/whatanidiot.jpg>
There are two lines I'd like to point out:
"You think that little attack against the towers was a big deal."
"Fucking jewish pig."

Is this what the majority of Muslims act like? Do they all hate America? Or as they say in YAAFM; do they need any excuse to fire guns, burn flags, stone people, and firebomb embassys?
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[CEpeep]

Elazul had alot to say about this when he was still around. I could say far more about this and spawn what I'm sure would be an OMG EPIC BACKROOM TOPIC LOL but instead I'll just recommend you read http://www.samharris.orgSam Harris' The End of Faith</a> for he expresses this far more eloquantly than I can.
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[GeminiMan]

I just read through about 9 of the first 10 pages of the book that's on the site. I must say, never before have I really taken a look into the Bible and found that it instructs you to kill anyone who tells you to worship other gods. That part is under "Excerpts" and inside the first 10 pages; it's blockquoted about 3/5 of the way down the page. I won't copy/paste it as I know some people tend to have issues with re-typing scripture outside of the Bible.

Thanks for the link though, CEpeep... 'tis very interesting.
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[JadussD]

> I won't copy/paste it as I know some people tend to have
> issues with re-typing scripture outside of the Bible.

Are you fucking kidding me?
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[Fla Flash]

No. The more violent, radical the actions of a minority can instill fear and hatred of the majority. It's a common syndrome. Happened here during WW II when we rounded up all the Japanese citizens and tossed 'em into interment camps (jail, basically).

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[Dark Knight Kain]

> Is this what the majority of Muslims act like? Do they all
> hate America? Or as they say in YAAFM; do they need any
> excuse to fire guns, burn flags, stone people, and firebomb
> embassys?

Are you really that stupid? Of course that's not how the majority Muslims act, you have these kind of people in ever faith, nationality, and race. They want you to turn this into an "us and them" situation, the media is coving this so much because it helps a certain someone's crusade.
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[UncleOral]

Dude, there's 1,200,000,000 Muslims on the planet.
That's 1.2 billion, do you have any idea how many that is? If you tried countring all of them one every second, you'd spend a good chunk over half your life doing so. It's freaking 4 times as many people as in the entire United States, which 'only' holds 3-6 million of them (which means there's about as many Muslims in US as there's people in my country, Norway).

Yeah, so let's say hypothetically 0.1% are extremists and wants to blow up your house and steal your bonzibuddy; those 1.2 million are extremely fucking vocal. You'd think that point was made with 9\11.
See, it's like bitching on forums in various MMORPG's, a miniscule minority that actually manage to change things because they are whining so god damn loud the developers can barely sleep at night. It doesn't matter, the vast, vast, vast majority of the players don't even read the forums, much less whine there about class balance. They just don't care.

In the same respect, the actual peace-loving Muslims whom you will never ever hear about are tired of pointing out every god damn time some extremist does something radical that they have no connection with it and resent it as much as you do.

What you're doing:
US invaded Iraq on idiotic premises; say, Sonic, you're American...are you an idiot?
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[soniczip]

> What you're doing:
> US invaded Iraq on idiotic premises; say, Sonic, you're
> American...are you an idiot?
>

I hated the Invasion from the moment it started. It WAS idiotic, and I know that. I do not really see any MORALLY RIGHT reason why the US invaded Iraq.
Of course I'm not an idiot; as a matter of fact, I've never met a muslim. But hearing another review:
Some guy tells his muslim friend that YAAFM made fun of mohammed. Muslim friend tells guy he's gonna kill his dogs, rape his sister, shoot him and hold him hostage, etc.
I just don't know why some muslims act this way. Are THEY complete idiots?
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[mrfreeze]

> I just don't know why some muslims act this way. Are THEY
> complete idiots?
>
Human beings, in general, act like fucktards. This transcends all racial, cultural, and religious barriers. It just happens that Muslims acting like fucktards is getting all the limelight as of late.
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[soniczip]

> I just read through about 9 of the first 10 pages of the
> book that's on the site. I must say, never before have I
> really taken a look into the Bible and found that it
> instructs you to kill anyone who tells you to worship other
> gods.

Most of the stuff in the Old Testament is bullshit. You have to look at the big picture of the bible. LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. For example, it says you have to cut off your wife's hand if she grabs someone's balls in a fight. Another passage says you always have to wear hats all the time or you'll be stoned. A lot of this stuff is really complete bullshit.
The Old Testament is Justice-Based.
The NEW Testament is "Love thy Neighbor" based.
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[soniczip]

> Human beings, in general, act like fucktards. This
> transcends all racial, cultural, and religious barriers. It
> just happens that Muslims acting like fucktards is getting
> all the limelight as of late.
>

Ah......
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[CEpeep]

It's all just a bunch of stories. The religions around today are destined to head the way of the ancient Greek, Roman, Scandanavian, etc. religions. The stories are still around today, but you don't see anybody out there worshiping Zeus or Thor.
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[JadussD]

> It's all just a bunch of stories. The religions around
> today are destined to head the way of the ancient Greek,
> Roman, Scandanavian, etc. religions. The stories are still
> around today, but you don't see anybody out there worshiping
> Zeus or Thor.

That WOULD be pretty great IMO, but the problem is, this will be our new church:

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[CEpeep]

> That WOULD be pretty great IMO, but the problem is, this
> will be our new church:
>

Not far from the truth. Even if it's not the "new church", stores like Wal-Mart are causing a global sensation as products from all over the world are available to everyone. Religion moves the same way. It won't be in our lifetimes, but when it does happen, economic globalization will be probably responsible for further religious revolutions.
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[Vampire hunter D]

> That WOULD be pretty great IMO, but the problem is, this
> will be our new church:


I couldn't agree with that more. With the way things are going, Wal-Mart may yet be the one world power.
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[UncleOral]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>


I hated the Invasion from the moment it started. It WAS
idiotic, and I know that. I do not really see any MORALLY
RIGHT reason why the US invaded Iraq.


<hr></blockquote>
Moral and ethics are just a point of view, if Bin Laden took over the whole world and managed to effectively control it (the former is easiest), 100 years from now, who do you think would be considered "morally right"?
It reminds me of PETA's really stupid name, "People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals". Well what the fuck is ethical? PETA's killed over 85 percent of the animals they've 'rescued' from the public.

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Of course I'm not an idiot; as a matter of fact, I've never
met a muslim.


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Never met even one and yet still you ask if the majority are assholes?
As for the idiot part, you missed my point entirely; you judged Muslims as a whole from what a small, tiny part did, so I judged you from what your country did.
Do you see how it doesn't correlate well, judging from ignorance?

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>


But hearing another review:
Some guy tells his muslim friend that YAAFM made fun of
mohammed. Muslim friend tells guy he's gonna kill his dogs,
rape his sister, shoot him and hold him hostage, etc.
I just don't know why ==> some <== muslims act this way. Are THEY
complete idiots?


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Yes.
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[soniczip]

> Moral and ethics are just a point of view, if Bin Laden took
> over the whole world and managed to effectively control it
> (the former is easiest), 100 years from now, who do you
> think would be considered "morally right"?
> It reminds me of PETA's really stupid name, "People for the
> Ethical Treatment of Animals". Well what the fuck is ethical? PETA's killed over 85 percent of the animals they've 'rescued' from the public.

I was actually agreeing with you on the Iraq Invasion, and only atheists believe in shit like "There is no ethics, Neo." That's a gang mentality.

> Never met even one and yet still you ask if the majority are
> assholes?
> As for the idiot part, you missed my point entirely; you
> judged Muslims as a whole from what a small, tiny part did,
> so I judged you from what your country did.

Well, judging by the fact that tens of thousands of muslims IN EVERY COUNTRY IN EUROPE AND THE MIDDLE EAST are blowing up shit over a POLITICAL CARTOON, the fact that Jesus has been depicted badly for centuries, and the fact that you don't see any christians trying to kill Kayne West; I'd say that there are some idiots among them. Also, just because you're from Norway, a country outside of the U.S, doesn't make you unbiased. At least you get to live in one of the three socks, where not much interesting stuff happens; and you don't live in a place where power-hungry politicians try to control anything they can get their greedy little hands on. FEEL LUCKY.

BTW, why do all your responses have the <img src=http://www.zophar.net/wwwthreads/images/icons/chat.gif> speech bubble?
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[Mr. Saturn]

> I was actually agreeing with you on the Iraq Invasion, and
> only atheists believe in shit like "There is no ethics,
> Neo." That's a gang mentality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism

> Well, judging by the fact that tens of thousands of muslims
> IN EVERY COUNTRY IN EUROPE AND THE MIDDLE EAST are blowing
> up shit over a POLITICAL CARTOON,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biased_sample
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniconism#In_Islam

> the fact that Jesus has
> been depicted badly for centuries

Utter. Bullshit.

On a related note, I wonder what would happen if an independant publication printed something like (Offensive) <a href=http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8379/jesusfetus8qw.png>this</a> in America.
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[soniczip]

> Utter. Bullshit.
<img src=http://www.whitedust.demon.co.uk/scabbydog/llcooljesus.jpg>
<img src=http://jesuspolitics.typepad.com/jesus_politics/images/3640561.867906>
<img src=http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/images/jesus-with-rifle-thumb.jpg>
There we go.
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[Mr. Saturn]

> There we go.

cen·tu·ry

1. Abbr. C. or c. or cent.
1. A period of 100 years.
2. Each of the successive periods of 100 years before or since the advent of the Christian era.
2.
1. A unit of the Roman army originally consisting of 100 men.
2. One of the 193 electoral divisions of the Roman people.
3. A group of 100 things.

I fail to see what three sterile images from the last five years (probably even more recent, seeing as how you obviously just google image searched for it) shows how "Jesus has been depicted badly for centuries." I mean, if it's so pervasive, as you seem to think, shouldn't you be able to find specific examples?

I also see you didn't respond to my links, so I'll just assume it was too much reading for you.
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[SpaceTiger]

> Well, judging by the fact that tens of thousands of muslims
> IN EVERY COUNTRY IN EUROPE AND THE MIDDLE EAST are blowing
> up shit over a POLITICAL CARTOON, the fact that Jesus has
> been depicted badly for centuries, and the fact that you
> don't see any christians trying to kill Kayne West;

I don't know about Kanye West, but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22bigger_than_Jesus%22_controversy#.22More_popula r_than_Jesus.22_controversyBigger Than Jesus</a>

They received several death threats over this.
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[Tsyni]

> I was actually agreeing with you on the Iraq Invasion, and
> only atheists believe in shit like "There is no ethics,
> Neo." That's a gang mentality.

That smells funny, where did you get it?
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[Fla Flash]

This (http://www.elazulspad.net/ubbthreads/attachments/14785-protest.jpg) should prove my point.
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[Vampire hunter D]

> This should prove my point.

BWAHAHAHAHA, that picture kicks ass.

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[Danoz]

I'm concerned that you think for a second you can make a religious generalization from a poorly constructed message board rant, and second that people here, in return, use your short-sightedness as an excuse to argue for moral relativism and American intolerance. Neither the post you've referenced, or the post you drafted here yourself is evidence of any greater systemic belief for Christians, Muslims, Americans or (I can't even believe I'm even addressing this one, as one of you mentioned) humanity in general. These rantings are uninformed and largely insignificant, as is this entire thread. Of course it will be used to spout religious intolerance and provide excuses to quote Sam Harris (who, unfortunately has turned my younger brother into an anti-religion/faith "jesus on a stick" rebel of anyone or anything that promotes faith and absolute morality. It fails to recognize the inherent reason and logic in morality beyond relativism. When the prison guard in North Korea recognizes after years of brainwashing that the dehumanizing, torture and murder of innocent people is fundamentally wrong-- we can specifically examine times when conviction and ethics supersede traditional relativist beliefs that morality is a mere function of education and cultural indoctrination. That morality itself can be the at the pinnacle of reason, and perhaps even embodies it. Perhaps this reason was mistaken for a modern and insufficient translation of the biblical word for “faith”.

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[Danoz]

Interesting, but I don't know about "Christians were trying to kill John Lennon". And, it seems like some key figures in the church decided to accept the apology and end the hysteria (which isn't entirely unbelievable, granted that there was a time when the "Beach Boys" were considered by Christian fundamentalists to be the carriers of Satan's message). It seems to follow the logic that when an animal feels threatened and backed into a corner it's instinct is to bite you. Clearly many felt threatened by this and took it to the extreme, but I suppose where we would differ is that I see the human error in this situation and not the error in Christianity as a belief system.
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[SpaceTiger]

>Interesting, but I don't know about "Christians were trying to kill
> John Lennon".

Well, they certainly weren't Buddhists...

Christians were also threatening Ringo because they thought he was Jewish. If your next thought is that you don't wish people to associate these extremists with the majority of Christians in the world, then hopefully you'll see why I responded with that link.


> but I suppose where we would differ is
> that I see the human error in this situation and not the
> error in Christianity as a belief system.

The whole point here is that idiocy transcends belief systems. There's no more an error in Christianity than in Islam -- both controversies are reactionary nonsense and are really about politics, not religion.
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[Danoz]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>


The whole point here is that idiocy transcends belief systems. There's no more an error in Christianity than in Islam -- both controversies are reactionary nonsense and are really about politics, not religion.

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That's really what I'm trying to say in my reply to sonic. I was more commenting on the wikipedia article in general in my reply to you, but since we're basically on the same page apparently it really doesn't matter.

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[The 9th Sage]

> Is this what the majority of Muslims act like? Do they all
> hate America? Or as they say in YAAFM; do they need any
> excuse to fire guns, burn flags, stone people, and firebomb
> embassys?

I'm sorry, but if you're going to lump all the people of one ethnicity/religon/nationality/whatever into one group like that...that's just stupid. Think about the logic of that for a second. That's like some...I dunno...German guy seeing the TV Show Jackass, featuring Johnny Knoxville getting croquet balls smashed into his crotch and wondering if all Americans are crazy like that. :P

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[soniczip]

> That's just stupid. Think about the logic of that
> for a second.

All right everyone, I'm sorry. I'll just say that the extremists are complete morons.
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[UncleOral]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>


I was actually agreeing with you on the Iraq Invasion, and
only atheists believe in shit like "There is no ethics,
Neo." That's a gang mentality.


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Honestly, I fail to see how anyone can disagree that moral and ethics are relative. Culture shapes and governs these guidelines and they are and always have been changing like the waves in the sea.
You don't have to go far back in history to see 14-year-old wives (heck you don't have to go back at all in some places of the world).
The follow-up question is, "Yes, well....does it make it right?". What's right for you isn't necessarily right for others, laws are required so that people don't take that to extremes; the world isn't as easy as people who believe in the absolutes want it to be. Sorry, it's just not that simple.
It's annoying, I seem to always lecture about that, I wish people would stop adopting a black&white world-view. When it comes to people and opinions, things are never simple.

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>


I'd say that there are some idiots among them (Muslims).


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Yes, show me a horde of 1.2 billion people where there are not and I will give you a chocolate covered cookie.

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Also, just because
you're from Norway, a country outside of the U.S, doesn't
make you unbiased. At least you get to live in one of the
three socks, where not much interesting stuff happens; and
you don't live in a place where power-hungry politicians try
to control anything they can get their greedy little hands
on. FEEL LUCKY.


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Oh I do feel lucky, seeing as I see first-hand how many of the things other countries write off as ineffective works flawlessly here.
If anything it makes me biased towards peace and serenity, not the worst standpoint in my humble opinion.

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BTW, why do all your responses have the speech bubble?


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I like it, I've always used it. As far as I see the various bubbles and emoticons; the default "Book", seems to imply "Facts within!", my ol' speech bubble just signifies my ramblings.
Of course, I realize no one but me sees it that way. =P
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[UncleOral]

> This should prove my point.
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[TsarRasputin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-igv__xj7vE&search=Muslims

All I have to say, read the comments as well.
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[Porchmonkey]

> It's all just a bunch of stories. The religions around
> today are destined to head the way of the ancient Greek,
> Roman, Scandanavian, etc. religions. The stories are still
> around today, but you don't see anybody out there worshiping
> Zeus or Thor.
>

Hey I worship Thor! Thundergod all the way man.

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[Porchmonkey]

> The Old Testament is Justice-Based.
> The NEW Testament is "Love thy Neighbor" based.


The New Testament is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO boring man. I need a vengeful and evil god to worship not some ambiguously gay "peace and love dude" hippy.

By the way, there's so where in the Tanakh that says if you don't wear a hat you'll be stoned.
Yarmulkas and Kippahs are only commanded in the Talmud.
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[king killa]

> Of course I'm not an idiot; as a matter of fact, I've never
> met a muslim.

I may have taken that the wrong way, but that sounded incredibly racist.
Like, comparable to, "of course I'm not a rapist, I've never even met a black man!"

Anyways, I got a kick out of it.
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[CEpeep]

> "of course I'm not a rapist, I've never
> even met a black man!"

Freudian slip?
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[Danoz]

> > "of course I'm not a rapist, I've never
> > even met a black man!"
>
> Freudian slip?

Why revive this thread from months ago?
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[CEpeep]

> Why revive this thread from months ago?
>

Ask TsarRasputin that.

EDIT: by the way, you fail at using threaded mode. /wwwthreads/images/icons/wink.gif
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[JadussD]

> Hey I worship Thor! Thundergod all the way man.
>

Til Valhall!
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