So, are people apolitical now?

[JadussD]

I'm just curious if the general sentiments of the people who posted here have slid to apathy/despair/something else, because there doesn't seem to be much in the way of anything going on with this board.
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[Diskeater]

> I'm just curious if the general sentiments of the people who
> posted here have slid to apathy/despair/something else,
> because there doesn't seem to be much in the way of anything
> going on with this board.

Agreed.

Politically speaking, my roommate and I are fed up and confused. Americans just seem to take ANYTHING the administration will do. They were caught spying on their own people but since the Admin "ran it by key member of Congress" and they did it in order to Fight Terrorism, it is ok.

Or what about the Patriot Act? The admin wants to make those changes permanent...that is insane. It basically calls people that act out against an established government 'terrorists'....what the fuck?

We are very, very bewildered. If the PA gets voted into law, that will be my personal breaking point. Something NEEDS to happen at that point, and something will.
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[coolie]

I think we figured out that all sides suck
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[Diskeater]

> I think we figured out that all sides suck

I would be so happy....so very very very happy....if bush was like, "Ok guys, I am now the Emperor, the senate is now the Imperial Senate, our military is going to be outfitted with Stormtrooper armor, and we are building a Death Star."

That would be cool.
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[pipes]

> We are very, very bewildered. If the PA gets voted into law,
> that will be my personal breaking point. Something NEEDS to
> happen at that point, and something will.

If that happens I am going to save money and move somewhere not here! Canada maybe?
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[Tsyni]

viva la revolution
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[Billhead]

> I would be so happy....so very very very happy....if bush
> was like, "Ok guys, I am now the Emperor, the senate is now
> the Imperial Senate, our military is going to be outfitted
> with Stormtrooper armor, and we are building a Death Star."
>
> That would be cool.

Seconded.
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[coolie]

so long as I can be Luke Skywalker
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[Fla Flash]

dibs on Obi-Wan.
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[Disch]

Great... this is just what I need.

As shitty as Star Wars is... I have to deal with the propaganda of virtually endless sequels, "new improved" editions, merchandise, cartoon spinoffs, video games, parodies, etc.

Just when I thought it was over.... MY VERY WORLD TURNS INTO STAR WARS

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[CEpeep]

> As shitty as Star Wars is...

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[Crazy_MYKL]

All poltical parties suck. All systems of government suck. The reason is simple: people. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of human beings is not an option.
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[Disch]

> > As shitty as Star Wars is...

Perhaps a more neutral way to phrase that would be "As shitty as I find Star Wars to be...". That way it's more of an opinion statement rather than a general information statement.

Still... I stand by it. Star Wars fucking blows. /wwwthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

Anyway, this is besides the point of my post. It was supposed to be funny, dammit. /wwwthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif
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[Diskeater]

> Anyway, this is besides the point of my post. It was
> supposed to be funny, dammit.

Thats actually why I didn't respond to your post initially. I love the shit outta Star Wars, as do a lot of my friends, and we always say that there are a lot of shitty things in the Star Wars universe that you can just...you know, ignore.

*Hugs VHS copies of the OT*

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[puduhead]

> I'm just curious if the general sentiments of the people who
> posted here have slid to apathy/despair/something else,
> because there doesn't seem to be much in the way of anything
> going on with this board.

Yes I'm just fed up and everything i say on the subject of politics becomes a rant.
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[icenine0]

I think the media circus we call "politics" has nothing to do with what's actually going on. All the phony week-to-week issues being quacked about are growing tiresome.

Like zOMG! Abu Ghraib SCANDAL!

It's a war people! We cluster bomb groups of AK47-toting insurgents into little bits all day long. Did you think our soldiers were going to have scruples about smacking them around in prison? If we claim to, I call BS.

No one's objective, everyone has an agenda, everyone's screaming at each other endlessly on Crossfire to land a few more percent points on the polls. The fact is that we're in Iraq to secure energy; our economy (and possibly the world's) would implode without an adequate and ever increasing supply of US-friendly oil. And I'm fine by that -- it makes perfect pragmatic sense.

On the other hand, our media's spoonfed an altruistic facade of "promoting freedom" in a country that's a drop in the bucket of worldwide massacre and tyranny.

Oh, and as far as domestic policy goes, I'm sick of toothless initiatives designed to obfuscate the problem and shut people up.

> I'm just curious if the general sentiments of the people who
> posted here have slid to apathy/despair/something else,
> because there doesn't seem to be much in the way of anything
> going on with this board.
>
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[JadussD]

> All poltical parties suck. All systems of government suck.
> The reason is simple: people. Trusting in the sanity and
> restraint of human beings is not an option.
>

Everyone's favorite "pseudo-intellectual" comedian, George Carlin:

Now there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about. Politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents, and from American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities; and they're elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do, folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces. Garbage in, garbage out.

If you have selfish, ignorant citizens you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits aren't going to do you any good, you're just going to wind up with another bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. Maybe... maybe... maybe it's not the politicans who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here. Like... the public.

Yeah. The public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody. The public sucks. Fuck hope. FUCK HOPE. Because if it's really the fault of these politicians then where are all the other bright people of concsience? Where are all the bright, intelligent Americans ready to step in and save the nation and lead the way? We don't have people like that in this country. Everybody's at the mall. Scratching his ass, picking his nose, taking his credit card out of his fanny pack and buying a pair of sneakers with lights in them.
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[coolie]

That was pretty much perfect
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[Fla Flash]

Here's the real answer: We elected a bunch of morons and we're stuck with 'em till 08. We all know it. We don't want to admit to it.
Our leaders have and will betray us. We allow this crap....and why?
Cause we take their word for everything. I kinda feel like the guy who thought the 72 Corolla for $ 3000 was a good buy. I've been hustled, you've been hustled.
The bastards are now listening to our phone calls, reading our emails and more than likely rummaging through our garbage..
I am so fucking sick of politicians I don't have the words to describe them...except...LIARS.
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[Dark Knight Kain]

And to add to Flash's post, the majority of the American people are perfectly content with this, they've been content with lying theiving bastards in office for so many years now they don't realize that politicians are supposed to be working for them, representing them. They bring up the non-issues because they know we feel strongly about them and will elect them based on whether they give a "woman the right to choose" or stop "those dirty fags from getting married". We let those cloud our judgement, in the end both parties are the same.

The people who founded this country must hate us for throwing all they gave us away...
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[CEpeep]

> The people who founded this country must hate us for
> throwing all they gave us away...
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'Bout time for a revolution I'd say.
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[Tsyni]

Saying it doesn't do much.
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[CEpeep]

> Saying it doesn't do much.
>

Well you can't exactly have a one-man revolution.
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[Danoz]

> Well you can't exactly have a one-man revolution.

I don't know, I think you can... say, if all the cells in your body revolt simultaniously, only, this kind of revolution usually would be the cause of you dying.


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[soniczip]

> I don't know, I think you can... say, if all the cells in
> your body revolt simultaniously, only, this kind of
> revolution usually would be the cause of you dying.
>

That's true, but why would all your cells revolt? Maybe because if you vote for Ralph Nader on Election Day, your cells have a revolution.
Also, I would like to point something out, Danoz:
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[thegodofhellfire]

> I'm just curious if the general sentiments of the people who
> posted here have slid to apathy/despair/something else,
> because there doesn't seem to be much in the way of anything
> going on with this board.

I think a few reasons. The board's been mostly tied up with domestic US and academic threads recently. I really don't have the information or inclination to get too tied up there anymore. I think it also got to the point where far more heat was ever generated than light. The minute a topic was posted, you'd have a pretty good idea what side everyone would come down on, what they'd have to say, and how loud they were going to say it. Nobody would compromise and everybody would just repeat their original arguments ad nauseam without ever giving ground. It wasn't ever so much a debate as a test of who'd give up first.

Perhaps I was as guilty of it as any other, but I work full time now, and just don't have enough hours to myself in the evening to spend so much time on what, in reality, hasn't really been achieving much recently. Having said that, I'm prepared to approach these things more open-mindedly if I see that others are.
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[Diskeater]

SELF LINK WARNING!

I posted something fairly recently on my site about this very topic.

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[Insomnia DMX]

> I posted something fairly recently on my site about this
> very topic.

Very good, that was an awesome rant!<img src=smilies/thumb.gif>

I know that my rant would belong better in the stupidity thread, but it's definately still relevant here. In 2004, before elections, I was in the 10th grade, and we had some kind of mini-election, to get our political intrests flowing. I, with my opinions, voted for John Kerry. I was just sitting in my seat afterwards, thinking to myself, when I overheard a couple of girls behind me talking amongst themselves. I don't mind eavesdropping, so I listened to what they were saying. (I will attempt to reproduce as best as I can, what I heard over a year ago. I don't remember names.) "Yeah, I voted for Bush," says #1. "Me too," said #2, "Bush is sexy."

I kid you not people, that phrase was quoted. (I'm not sure about the first part, but I definately remember "Bush is sexy.") I was outraged for two reasons; 1) Why would you base your political position soley on looks. 2) Bush isn't sexy. (I still chuckle, but at the same time, feel uneasy about this stupidity.) My own grandmother said something similar! After hearing those statements, I've thought more about the country that I'm from; "is everyone here that stupid?" I knew the answer was no, but what I didn't know was how many more stupid people there are out there.

I conclude saying that the majority of people aren't apolitical, just completely oblivious as to how politics works.
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[Dark Knight Kain]

> I conclude saying that the majority of people aren't
> apolitical, just completely oblivious as to how politics
> works.

Exactly. If people had any sense Bush (Or Kerry for that matter) wouldn't be in office right now, and if he was the people would have collectively thrown his ass.
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