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king killa

12-10-2005, 08:23 PM

This idea actually came from a staff member, but I really like the idea so I'm posting it to see what other people think.

The idea was for the Diaries board to be members-only. Now, being familiar with the forum software, if this version is anything like any of the more recent versions, this is as simple as clicking "members-only" on the admin panel.
Not rocket science or anything.

Thoughts?
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Diskeater

12-10-2005, 09:40 PM

> The idea was for the Diaries board to be members-only. Now,
> being familiar with the forum software, if this version is
> anything like any of the more recent versions, this is as
> simple as clicking "members-only" on the admin panel.
> Not rocket science or anything.

Maybe I'm missing something, but why is there a need for this? You need to be a member to post anything, anyway.

But if something like this is needed, I would suggest locking the forum for members that have at least 50 posts, or something like that.
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king killa

12-10-2005, 09:49 PM

> Maybe I'm missing something, but why is there a need for
> this? You need to be a member to post anything, anyway.

the purpose behind it would be so that people can post somewhat personal things without "just anyone" being able to read it. I made a post, and I guess through google or something, some people I know found it. I really didn't want anyone I know to see it :|
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Dark Knight Kain

12-10-2005, 09:52 PM

> I really didn't want anyone I know to see it :|

Not to be an asshole but why post it in public if you don't want to you know to see it?

king killa

12-10-2005, 10:10 PM

> > I really didn't want anyone I know to see it :|
>
> Not to be an asshole but why post it in public if you don't
> want to you know to see it?
>

I wanted all the members HERE to see it.
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Lobster Cowboy

12-10-2005, 10:20 PM

Actually, not a bad idea at all.

If the board is capable of the change, I say we do it.
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CEpeep

12-10-2005, 10:27 PM

I'm totally against just about anything on the internet being members-only, and the Diaries board is no exception. I'm not going to change the setting on that board, nor am I in support of a staffer who chooses to do so. If there are privacy issues at stake, I might be in favor of having the board cleaned out every X days like the other forums. That way, at least something you said a long time ago won't be dug back up by Google or other members.

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king killa

12-10-2005, 10:36 PM

what about a member's only option when posting? this would require some coding, but I'd be happy to do it, if it came down to it.

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Diskeater

12-10-2005, 10:51 PM

> the purpose behind it would be so that people can post
> somewhat personal things without "just anyone" being able to
> read it. I made a post, and I guess through google or
> something, some people I know found it. I really didn't want
> anyone I know to see it :|

Hm, yeah I suppose I see your point.

I believe that absolutely nothing personal should EVER be posted on the net if you aren't comfortable with people finding it, unless you are 150% positive it isn't going to be found.

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king killa

12-10-2005, 11:01 PM

> I believe that absolutely nothing personal should EVER be
> posted on the net if you aren't comfortable with people
> finding it, unless you are 150% positive it isn't going to
> be found.
>

hence the members only idea. <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>
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Lobster Cowboy

12-10-2005, 11:12 PM

If you don't agree with things on the Internet being members-only, then why not allow anonymous posting here?

I thought so.
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CEpeep

12-10-2005, 11:34 PM

> If you don't agree with things on the Internet being
> members-only, then why not allow anonymous posting here?
>

Because it's not my decision.

> I thought so.
>

Thought what? http://www.russellbeattie.com/notebook/1008640.htmlThis</a> pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject.
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Cornellius

12-10-2005, 11:51 PM

>This pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject.

mmm, good read.

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SwampGas

12-11-2005, 05:16 AM

> I might be in favor of having the
> board cleaned out every X days like the other forums. That
> way, at least something you said a long time ago won't be
> dug back up by Google or other members.

Absolutely not. The diaries board is meant to REMAIN AS-IS forever.

Hiding it from non-members is up for discussion. NEVER will posts be deleted. EVER.
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Lobster Cowboy

12-11-2005, 05:33 AM

> Hiding it from non-members is up for discussion.

Then let me put in my two cents.

The diaries is a place where regular members can vent in a safe environment, a way to get something off their chest that they may not be able to do in other places of their life.

Hiding it would be a nice token of faith to the people that have been in this community for some time, and would like a semi-private place to just talk.

I vote yes on hiding it to non-registered users. It's a nice perk for people that have been kicking around ZMD for sometime, and a bonus to people new in the community.
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Kitsune Sniper

12-11-2005, 05:34 AM

> If you don't agree with things on the Internet being
> members-only, then why not allow anonymous posting here?

Security? To prevent any possible flood attacks? By having to register, they at least have one way to prevent any attacks for a bit.

If people are really worried that someone will read the things they write in the diaries forum, I only have this to say:

GET A FUCKING LIVEJOURNAL AND MAKE ALL YOUR POSTS FRIENDS ONLY. OR PRIVATE.

Otherwise, deal or get out.

Kitsune Sniper

12-11-2005, 05:36 AM

> I wanted all the members HERE to see it.

And what would prevent someone who knows you from finding this forum, realizing that you post here, register, and read the entries then?

As I said above, if you're worried about someone you know reading this, then get a livejournal and post there. Otherwise you're going to have to deal with the fact that this is totally public.

SpaceTiger

12-11-2005, 06:53 AM

> Thought what? This pretty much sums up my feelings on the
> subject.

The argument seems reasonable for a board on which you're looking for expert opinions, but isn't the main purpose of the Diaries board to share the events of your life to a (mostly) sympathetic audience? I don't post on it very often, but if I did, I would probably be looking more for moral support than expert advice.

Could you be more specific about what you think is to be gained from anonymous viewers in this particular case?
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soniczip

12-11-2005, 03:20 PM

> I vote yes on hiding it to non-registered users. It's a
> nice perk for people that have been kicking around ZMD for
> sometime, and a bonus to people new in the community.
>

I agree with lobster here. people you are related to seeing something they don't like isn't good. And People googling your name and finding some dirt to blackmail you with isn't good either.
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king killa

12-11-2005, 04:25 PM

> GET A FUCKING LIVEJOURNAL AND MAKE ALL YOUR POSTS
> FRIENDS ONLY. OR PRIVATE.
> Otherwise, deal or get out.
>

1. I already have a blog.
2. Not everyone here is a member of LiveJournal, and THIS is the audience I was posting to.

So far, it seems like most of the people either agree, or are undecided. There have only been a couple who disagree with the idea.
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Fla Flash

12-11-2005, 04:25 PM

If you don't want other people to read it don't freakin post it.
For chrissakes, even if it was members only, some jackass would have another reason to try to hack ZMD's boards.
Not something happening with this site. End.
Swamp's 100% right. That board should stay the way it is..
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king killa

12-11-2005, 04:36 PM

> If you don't want other people to read it don't freakin post
> it.
I want YOU GUYS to read it.

> For chrissakes, even if it was members only, some jackass
> would have another reason to try to hack ZMD's boards.
what?

> Not something happening with this site. End.
> Swamp's 100% right. That board should stay the way it is..

ahem.. and I quote, "Hiding it from non-members is up for discussion."
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Fla Flash

12-11-2005, 06:17 PM

Look, if you wanna do that, fine....I think if you put more thought into what you were posting and possible repurcussions, then that (as far as the Diaries board is concerned) would help...
I've gotten to the point (call me paranoid, if you will) of not putting anything of sensitive or extremly personal material out on the net.
If people wanna find it, they will. I think that's the point you're missing.
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Diskeater

12-11-2005, 07:02 PM

> If people wanna find it, they will. I think that's the
> point you're missing.

For what it is worth, I totally agree with Flash. If people really wanna see it, having the members-only restriction isn't going to stop them.

Thats why I believe that IF there is a restriction placed on the diaries board (or just individual threads), it should be member w/ 50 or more posts instead of just a member.
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Ugly Joe

12-11-2005, 07:16 PM

> Thoughts?

The only feasable benefit that I can see of this is that Google will not crawl over the diaries page. It takes 5 minutes at the most to register for an account, so making them "members-only" is far from private.
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king killa

12-11-2005, 07:28 PM

> Thats why I believe that IF there is a restriction placed on
> the diaries board (or just individual threads), it should be
> member w/ 50 or more posts instead of just a member.
>

agreed.
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Isildur

12-11-2005, 08:06 PM

> Thoughts?
>

The only downside I could think of is that Diaries wouldn't be backed up by Archive.org. For now, however that doesn't really matter, because for the past two years, Archive.org apparently hasn't been able to archive ZMD threads anyway. =P

Which brings me to ask: Besides ZD's robots.txt file (which is not currently set to block any robots from viewing anything in the wwwthreads directory), does the server currently have something set up to recognize connections by robots, and block them?
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Kitsune Sniper

12-11-2005, 09:00 PM

> 1. I already have a blog. > 2. Not everyone here is a member of LiveJournal, and THIS is
> the audience I was posting to.
> So far, it seems like most of the people either agree, or
> are undecided. There have only been a couple who disagree
> with the idea.

I also have a Livejournal where I post stuff... and I know when to make my posts public, and when not to.

I didn't mean that people should just leave the diaries forum altogether, but they should know better than to post about sensitive stuff here. Stuff that can bite them back in the ass later, you know?

Anyway, sorry for my outburst.

SwampGas

12-11-2005, 09:02 PM

> The only feasable benefit that I can see of this is that
> Google will not crawl over the diaries page. It takes 5
> minutes at the most to register for an account, so making
> them "members-only" is far from private.

I can already stop the major search engines from crawling the diaries board. If you put up a robots.txt, the major ones will honor what you instruct it to do.
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Kitsune Sniper

12-11-2005, 09:03 PM

king killa

12-11-2005, 09:19 PM

when I said I have a blog, btw.. I didn't mean livejournal. I have my own blog.
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SwampGas

12-11-2005, 09:37 PM

Don't you think asking for donations on a blog is a little pretentious and ridiculous?

To all who read my zmd diary entries: please donate because I pay for this out of my pocket.

To all who leeched off the site contributing to the 130 gig of bandwidth we did in the last 7 days: please donate beacuse I pay for this out of my pocket.

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Ugly Joe

12-11-2005, 09:46 PM

> I can already stop the major search engines from crawling
> the diaries board. If you put up a robots.txt, the major
> ones will honor what you instruct it to do.

Point taken. Then I guess I see no reason for a members-only thing. I barely read Diaries to begin with, though.
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Kitsune Sniper

12-11-2005, 11:35 PM

> when I said I have a blog, btw.. I didn't mean livejournal.
> I have my own blog.

Funny that, it looks JUST like a Livejournal to me.

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king killa

12-11-2005, 11:50 PM

> Don't you think asking for donations on a blog is a little
> pretentious and ridiculous?

I host friends sites for free. I was kind of hoping one of them would donate.
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king killa

12-11-2005, 11:51 PM

> Funny that, it looks JUST like a Livejournal to me.
>

Except I have 100% control over all code, since I kind of coded it myself.
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SwampGas

12-12-2005, 12:31 AM

> I host friends sites for free. I was kind of hoping one of
> them would donate.

Go to them and say....look, chip in you cheap bastard.
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king killa

12-12-2005, 01:40 AM

> Go to them and say....look, chip in you cheap bastard.
>

I should. Especially since I also MADE the sites for free.. and they are pretty involved PHP/MySQL sites with admin panel included for posting/editing/deleting. Not to mention comment systems, etc.

I guess I'm "too nice"
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SwampGas

01-02-2006, 04:19 AM

nt
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king killa

01-02-2006, 04:49 AM

> nt
>
thanks man.
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