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blackize

03-22-2003, 04:06 PM

I just don't get it. Laura always told me that her and Dan were just friends, adding that Dan was her bitch. I suspected that something was going on between those two since our last fight, almost a month and a half to two months ago. After the fight, I really didn't care what happened with our relationship, as long as Laura would be honest with me. I've always been there for Laura, especially when her grandfather passed away two weeks ago. I encouraged her to join her family on their vacation to Miami, so the trip would help her take her mind off the situation at hand. It looked like things were looking up for the two of us, but then I heard something that really pissed me off.

She met up with Dan in Florida. How and why were my initial reactions to the situation when Tiffany, Laura's best friend, told me. It looks like Laura has been lying to me, and now Tiffany (she claims that she doesn't know what's going on with Laura these days), for the past few weeks, stating her and Dan were just friends. I wouldn't have been mad or the least bit jealous if Laura would've told me the truth regarding her and Dan, after all, we were starting over as friends after the fight.

Concisely, I have created a personal rule of mine: I will no longer date or otherwise become involved with co-workers. It only needs to unnecessary pain and stress. Why the hell couldn't Laura just have told me the truth? She still hasn't returned from Florida, and I've been thinking of how to approach and handle the situation with her.

What should I do? Should I ream her ass in public or should I sit down and evaluate the situation with her? Immediately after I found out that she had a secret rendezvous with Dan, I wanted to drive down to Florida and break her god damn nose. But since I hate driving on highways and such, that plan would never come to fruition.

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shawn

03-22-2003, 05:01 PM

I think just kicking her to the curb would be the optimum solution, she's gonna keep fucking around on you no matter how much you talk, she obviously can't have a monogamous relationship, some girls are like that. <img src=smilies/cwm11.gif>

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blackize

03-22-2003, 06:47 PM

> I think just kicking her to the curb would be the optimum solution

As true as that is, it will be very difficult and painful for me to do. But another part of me thinks that instead of kicking her to the curb, I should make her bite the curb and kick the back of her skull, thus shattering the damn thing (a la American History X). However, the second solution would result in some serious trouble.

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shawn

03-22-2003, 07:34 PM

Violence is wrong, just dump her and then go out and get laid and rub her nose in it. <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>

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type_x

03-23-2003, 12:47 AM

> But another part of me thinks that instead of
> kicking her to the curb, I should make her bite the curb and
> kick the back of her skull, thus shattering the damn thing
> (a la American History X). However, the second solution
> would result in some serious trouble.
>

Please don't do that. Just know that young women are often indecisive and tell lies to "avoid hurting your feelings". Which sucks, but that's why all men should stay single & mess around all over the place until they are at least 30 or dating a 30+ year old woman. That's just my opinion.

Oh, one other thought- never encourage the girl you're dating to go on a tropical vacation without you. It's like some hormone kicks in and they need sex right when they get there. I often hang out in Rosarito for this reason exactly.

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blackize

03-23-2003, 08:48 PM

Here's an update and another reason why I should really kick this bitch's ass:

During her vacation in Florida, when she had the rendezvous with Dan, they were caught having sex by Laura's parents. Oh, and this wasn't the first time the two have had sex, they were fucking like bunnies while the bitch was dating me. I'm not mad at Dan, she's been doing similar shit to him, too. She does use him and then lies to her friends, claiming she doesn't have a boyfriend and that Dan is her bitch. But when she's not on her turf, she's fucking this kid's brains out or cheating on him. This bitch has some serious shit heading her way.

Tell me if this would be too harsh: I confront Laura. I ask her about everything and the sexcapades with Dan in Florida. I'll bring up the topic of her being a lying, manipulative bitch, and then I say, "You know what Laura? I lied to you a few weeks ago: I'm glad your grandfather's dead and pushing up roses." Is that too extreme?

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WhyteKnight

03-24-2003, 08:16 AM

> Is that too extreme?

Yes. Yes to no end of yes. Okay so you've been hurt by her. Think about this. Would you want what happened to you to happen to somebody else? The chances of that happening go up if you do something that really gets to her like that. Just let her know that you're aware of the situation, and that it would be best if your association with her were to end. that's all. Calmness and civility will usually do more to make a person get thinking. You might not be able to do anything about your hurt, but isn't the possibility of saving some other poor fella from it a small consolation? If you really need some kind of revenge, try sleeping with one of her female friends or something.

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sephiroth111

03-25-2003, 12:35 AM

>Problems have only increased since the women's lib. movement....

that is extreme.

> ...Granted, sometimes it takes time and slowly breaking them down.

yep done that, usually my silence is the only thing that is required.

> Patience is a virtue, after all.
why yes it is.

give a man a match and he will be warm for a night. light a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

type_x

03-25-2003, 07:27 AM

>If
> you really need some kind of revenge, try sleeping with one
> of her female friends or something.
>

Oh absolutely. This is the only logical objective for you to tackle right now. And you have to give her an orgasm and then do anal. Get to work.

footnote: if this fails, just tell everyone you know how you did her in the butt. No one can ever look at a girl with the same kind of respect once they've pictured her taking it in the ass. Fact.

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blackize

03-25-2003, 04:17 PM

> Tip for the beginner: get to know their friends, every
> single one of them. If at all, for any claimed reason, she
> is hesitant about you getting to know even just one of them,
> chances are she's cheating/will cheat on you.

She's done this to me a lot. I only became buddy-buddy with Tiffany when she started working with me. I remember it vividly: one night at the store, a group of Laura's friends came in. Before they arrived at the store, Laura and I were flirting and having fun at work. However, once her friends arrived, she pushed me away and ignored me until they left. I should've stopped everything right then and there, but now, instead of thinking with my brain, I was thinking with my shaft. I still wanna get some serious revenge on the bitch.

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StormsInHerEyes

03-25-2003, 05:02 PM

>, try sleeping with one of her female friends or something.

Now you know that is wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. What you need to do is get Dan, talk with Dan and figure it all out and just both of you talk to her at the same time. Then she'll know she's in trouble and doing something really wrong. Also, it will leave her with nobody if he finds out too

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StormsInHerEyes

03-25-2003, 05:13 PM

WTF?!

I'm sorry but if this is true, you are the most disgusting, rude, and fucked up person I've ever heard of. You're right up there with dahmer. Such lovely people skills you have.<img src=smilies/snipersmilie.gif>

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StormsInHerEyes

03-25-2003, 05:20 PM

Alright, Just because you have no trust in people, and the fact that you may never have a trusting relationship, doesn't mean it's for everybody.

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blackize

03-26-2003, 11:54 PM

> Now you know that is wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right.

You're probably right, but here's my new, non-violent plan:

I wrote her a note, which explains that I know she did something wrong and betrayed my trust. I told her that I cannot associate myself with someone who is a complusive liar, whether as a friend or as a lover. I tied it up with some bible-esque closing, "Pray for your soul. Beg for mercy, as your's is already a hard lot."

And I plan on playing mind games with her. A few weeks ago, she said she had a surprise for me. She put off this surprise for a few days, and now claims that she doesn't have one for me. Well, when I see Laura, I'm gonna tell her I have a surprise for her. I will put it off and put it off, until I work with her again. Then, at the end of my shift, I will bring her in the back, give her the note, and tell her it is her surpise. Then I will leave.

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Reaper man

03-27-2003, 01:51 AM

> WTF?!
>
> I'm sorry but if this is true, you are the most disgusting,
> rude, and fucked up person I've ever heard of. You're right
> up there with dahmer. Such lovely people skills you have.
>
*reads the post you replied to*

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not all girls are like that!

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WhyteKnight

03-27-2003, 05:39 AM

> >, try sleeping with one of her female friends or something.
>
>
> Now you know that is wrong.

Yes, I know, I didn't really intend to have it taken seriously.
Now excuse me while I resume hiding from that guy in your signature.

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icenine0

03-27-2003, 07:24 AM

Wow!

Most people waste their whole lives trying to find someone who'll be true to them, whereas you just find any chick and torture her into doing your bidding!

It's simple, elegant, and soooo totally pre-Emancipation Proclamation. I love it!

Why do you want my signature? Are you forging a check or something!?

WhyteKnight

03-27-2003, 07:33 AM

> Just keep them on a short leash. If they're allowed to move
> too far out, they're bound to wander.
>

Leash? Jesus H, man, women aren't property or pets or some shit. Get some help <img src=smilies/headshake.gif>

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Kuikorosu

03-27-2003, 07:59 AM

> Alright, Just because you have no trust in people, and the
> fact that you may never have a trusting relationship,
> doesn't mean it's for everybody.

There's no such thing as a trusting relationship. The only thing you can really count on is self reliance, because in the end, your partner will decide that mating with someone else will be a new and pleasurable experience, and subconsciously they will desire it because it will increase the variety in their offspring. Therefore, in the end, the only person you can count on is yourself, because there's no possible way you could cheat on yourself. At least, that I've conceived.

All other theories are for dreaming saps who never quite broke free of the "love is good and true" lesson that our culture forced upon them in their early years of life.

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shawn

03-27-2003, 12:00 PM

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fairykiller

03-27-2003, 02:57 PM

> Jesus H, man, women aren't property or pets or some
> shit. Get some help

Right on. Ok, so you haven't had a stable relationship with a woman yet (sorry, but torturing her until she is drained of all self-respect does not constitute a stable relationship). Your experiences do not change the fact that many people do enjoy equable, harmonious connections with each other. Perhaps this is because they treat each other differently from the way you seem to be treating the women who try to be with you (albeit briefly).

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StormsInHerEyes

03-27-2003, 03:18 PM

Your experiences do not change the fact that
> many people do enjoy equable, harmonious connections with
> each other. Perhaps this is because they treat each other
> differently from the way you seem to be treating the women
> who try to be with you (albeit briefly).
>
*high five*

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shawn

03-27-2003, 03:57 PM

> Perhaps this is because they treat each other
> differently from the way you seem to be treating the women
> who try to be with you (albeit briefly).

People in a relationship should treat and do things like you would like done for yourself but it seems to be a contest of ego's, control, selfishness, or just plain not giving a shit what the other person thinks and none of these are good things to form a relationship on, the biggest mistake I see today are relationships based on sex or physical beauty and no thought is given to anything else and that is just plain stupid, people just need to slow down and find someone right for them instead of rushing headon into one destructive relationship after another, been 8 years for me since my last relationship and constantly seeing these bad relationships makes me think if I really ever want another one to just avoid all this crap, this is just my viewpoint.
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puduhead

03-27-2003, 04:59 PM

> All other theories are for dreaming saps who never quite
> broke free of the "love is good and true" lesson that our
> culture forced upon them in their early years of life.

> We are all truly alone.

I tend to agree. I won't say I have closed my mind to other possibilities, but I am getting on in years... soon to leave my 20's http://websmileys.bei.t-online.de/div275.gif

..and in all my love experiences... I don't have much hope for it. Not that it depresses me, that lack of hope. cuz I've accepted it and started moving on to other stuff.

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fairykiller

03-27-2003, 07:02 PM

>The only thing you can really count on is self reliance,
>the only person you can count on is yourself, because >there's no possible way you could cheat on yourself.

This is not always true. People often do things that are not in their best self interest, even things that are blatantly self-destructive. In such a situation, other people (people who care, and therefore usually people you have some kind of relationship with - a spouse, a boyfriend, a parent etc.) tend to have ideas and opinions that are better for you than your own ideas. These are people you can count on in many circumstances (although, of course, not in every circumstance).
If each person was an island and it was in everybody's self-interest to care only about themselves, we would not have had any incentive to develop social institutions at all. Self reliance is great, but not at the expense of all interaction.

>in the end, your partner will decide that mating with someone
> else will be a new and pleasurable experience, and
> subconsciously they will desire it because it will increase
> the variety in their offspring.

It is possible that people may "subconsciously desire variety in their offspring" (although this is gene theory that has not been conclusively proved) but it is another thing altogether to translate this theory into definitive behavior. There are many factors that come into play before a subconscious desire results in a certain behavior - moral and ethical thought, realization of long-term consequences, social mores, consideration of factors external to the original desire etc. Most people can and do refrain from cheating - not because they are "dreaming saps" who are acting against the dictates of their genes, but because they don't want to cheat.

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Narvick

03-27-2003, 08:16 PM

AAGH THE THREAD THAT WON'T DIE :o

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blackize

03-29-2003, 09:17 PM

Here's another update in the ever-present Chuck & Laura situation. I gave her the note today. Needless to say, she denied everything and claims that Tiffany lied to me about everything, citing that her and Tiffany aren't on good terms as of now and Tiffany was trying to get back at Laura. In this web of lies, I think I am going to go nuts.

However...

Tiffany was fired due to my influence at the store and Laura is on her way out, also due to your's truly. I figure that once they are out of my workplace for good, I can move on and forget about Laura. I just hope Laura gets what she deserves, hell, I hope she gets knocked up and her parents kick her out of their house.

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blackize

03-30-2003, 04:46 PM

> Sweet. Keep up the good work!

The funny thing is that whenever I see or I look at her, I just get this big ol' shit eating grin on my face and laugh at her. I don't know why I do this, it's just some weird-ass reaction. Maybe subsconciously, it's my way of reacting to the whole situation, now that I am pretty much over her.

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blackize

03-31-2003, 12:10 AM

With all of these updates, I feel like I am spamming the boards.

Anyway...

Laura calls me again, this afternoon. However, what I did not know, was that we were having a three-way conversation, as Tiffany was also on the line. They both bitch and argue with me about everything, and get this, Tiffany denies even saying a word to me about Laura and going to Florida. WTF? It was just yesterday that Laura told me that Tiffany did in fact say those things about Laura, but only because Tiffany was trying to hurt Laura. Alright, so who the fuck's telling the truth today? Jesus Christ, this is some confusing crap. I'm trying to move on but Laura keeps on calling and trying to tell me what really went on, that Tiffany was a liar, etc.

What is her damn problem?

But this is where things get interesting. When I told Laura for the umpteenth time that I don't care anymore, I quickly hung up my phone and then picked up again. To Tiffany and Laura, they thought I hung up. I listened to their conversation. Tiffany said something like, "I think Chuck really likes you, that's why he's doing these things." I don't remember Laura's reply, but somewhere in their conversation, Laura talked about Dan dumping her. I wish I recorded the conversation, because that's all the proof I needed to show that Laura lied to me all along about what was really going on between her and Dan.

The bottom line is once a liar, always a liar. Now, I just wish she'd take a page from my book and try to move on.

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blackize

04-07-2003, 02:25 AM

> Females will always lie and twist things, and then band
> together with other females to lie and twist things, and
> then once they're done witht hat they'll turn on eachother.

I hate to beat this dead dog again, but I have more information to report, if anyone gives a shit. I just found out that Laura forced Tiffany to lie about saying anything to me in regards to Laura's trip to Florida. It appears as if Tiffany is Laura's pawn in her twisted game of life. What a sick, sick person it is that uses another like that.

Anyway, I tried starting something new with this chick I met. I will call her Alexis. I met Alexis through a co-worker. We talked a few times, in person and on the phone, and I decided to take her out last Monday. We didn't do much, we just went to the local tattoo parlour together where I purchased a new barbell for my tongue piercing, and where we chatted with some people I knew there. After that, we drove around for a bit and talked. All seemed like well, and it looked like I had found someone, until she told me too much. Long story short, Alexis turned out to be a recovering drug addict/alcoholic who was once in prison. Good Christ, I know how to pick 'em. I wrote her a note and tried to politely tell her that I did not wish to pursue anything with her. But as it turns out, she likes me. Damn it.

Anyway, I tested the waters again and went to meet this girl my friend Ryan tried to fix me up with. The keywords here is: "tried". I don't know what it was about her, but when I got out of my truck, I decided that I didn't like her. Now keep in mind I never saw her before, nor have I met or spoke with her before, in any medium (online or on the phone). I just picked up this unknown vibe and I decided, fuck it, she ain't worth it. So, after a few minutes of chatting, I left. Maybe it is because she looks too much like a god damn turtle. Good Christ, I go for the best.

Well that is the lastest from Planet Chuck. I will keep you posted if anything happens. Oh, and if you haven't noticed, "Good Christ" is my new catch phrase. Good Christ, it works with just about anything. Good Christ, I love it. <img src=smilies/biggthumpup.gif>

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lord_steak

04-07-2003, 12:47 PM

I'm gonna tell ya' the same thing I told Brad on his April Fool's thread (scrawny lil' bastard <img src=smilies/flipa.gif>). Considering the shit that's piled on ya' right now, dig out of it all, get your shit together and straight, and then worry about women.

Sounds to me like your ex- and her best friend have quite a bit of growing up left to do. Sounds very junior high-ish. You don't need that shit. Kick 'em. <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>

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wingless

04-07-2003, 07:33 PM

> Females will always betray you. Damned things can't keep
> their panties up.

wow, i just LOVE broad sweeping generalizations, and you're always full of them. ever consider the fact that it might just be you? I mean holy fuck! no wonder you dont have good experiences with women! people react differently under different circumstances. for all you know they're happy and faithful to other guys they're with. as far as i can tell, it probably goes like this:

guy gets girl
guy tries to control girl
guy scares girl
guy drives girl away
girl is too scared to say anything to guy
guy gets violent

it sounds like your fault, you fucking sexist asshole. i pity any women who is tricked into being with you, even for a day. it's people like you who make this world a horrible place.

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Reaper man

04-07-2003, 07:40 PM

wingless

04-07-2003, 07:43 PM

> There's no such thing as a trusting relationship. The only
> thing you can really count on is self reliance, because in
> the end, your partner will decide that mating with someone
> else will be a new and pleasurable experience

i agree that you can only fully, totally and completely- without a doubt- trust yourself, but that doesnt mean that all relationships end with a decision to sleep with someone else. lots of relationships end just because they dont work out between two people. some people just clash. not everything is about sex <img src=smilies/headshake.gif>

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lord_steak

04-07-2003, 07:43 PM

> it sounds like your fault, you fucking sexist asshole. i
> pity any women who is tricked into being with you, even for
> a day. it's people like you who make this world a horrible
> place.
>

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I was wondering when one of the women here was gonna torch him.

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MooglyGuy

04-07-2003, 07:49 PM

> it sounds like your fault, you fucking sexist asshole. i
> pity any women who is tricked into being with you, even for
> a day. it's people like you who make this world a horrible
> place.

You, ma'am, are 100% correct. You win the Well-Put Award of 2003. <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>

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wingless

04-07-2003, 07:50 PM

> Females will always lie and twist things, and then band
> together with other females to lie and twist things, and
> then once they're done witht hat they'll turn on eachother.

replying to your fucked up comments seems to be a fulltime job. i'll just say "fuck it" and rest assured that you'll end up screwing yourself. i'll just rely on karma to take care of things <img src=smilies/biggthumpup.gif>

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wingless

04-08-2003, 02:13 AM

> No, I just happen to make bad choices on which girl to focus
> on. The last time was because I was falling in love with the
> girl i was with ... and yeah, I left her for someone I knew
> I couldn't love and would fuck me over.

You broke up with her for someone else, eh? So, in other words... or, rather, in your words... you betrayed her and you were selfish and cared only of your wants?? /wwwthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

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puduhead

04-08-2003, 02:37 AM

> You broke up with her for someone else, eh? So, in other
> words... or, rather, in your words... you betrayed her and
> you were selfish and cared only of your wants??

That pretty much sums up humanity...

Basically, in order to be mother theresa, I think you really have to be a nun or a monk or whatever. To this day, I don't see "romantic love" as anything other than trying to get what you want, and maybe giving someone else a mutual-exchange kinda deal.

If we really weren't a selfish, self-centered, and careless race, then there should be a woman out there who would love to make me happy in everyway - sex, anal sex, backrub, doing the dishes and the laundry, cleaning the house, washing the car, making me feel better when I'm depressed... by sucking my cock.

Where is she? Well she's concerened about her own needs being met too. She's looking out for her own self-interests. and there it goes.

some of us try harder than others to blur the lines of our selfishness, but we're still no better, just better at P.R.

love is selfishness.

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wingless

04-08-2003, 02:48 AM

> Never said I wasn't.

yet you talk about it as if it's just a female thing.

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wingless

04-08-2003, 03:08 AM

> That pretty much sums up humanity...

that was my point. it applies to everyone. not everyone is a self-serving asshole, and it certainly doesnt apply only to women. devorius is always so quick to talk trash about the female sex, yet he manages to leave out the fact that he does the same things he bitches about.

> I don't see "romantic love" as anything other than trying to
> get what you want, and maybe giving someone else a
> mutual-exchange kinda deal.

i agree, but that doesnt mean that you have to be mean and vicious in relationships. i take great pleasure in alex's happiness. when he's dealing with something or having a hard time, i offer up myself to see if there's anything i can do it help.... not for "P.R.", but because i love him and i want to help him in any way i can (without sacrificing myself beyond my personal boundaries).

> If we really weren't a selfish, self-centered, and careless
> race, then there should be a woman out there who would love
> to make me happy in everyway - sex, anal sex, backrub, doing
> the dishes and the laundry, cleaning the house, washing the
> car, making me feel better when I'm depressed... by sucking
> my cock.

Yeah well, like i said... personal boundaries. You've got to have self-respect. if you dont, you may as well not be in a relationship.... i dont think you can exist in a truly good relationship without self-respect.

> Where is she? Well she's concerened about her own needs
> being met too. She's looking out for her own
> self-interests. and there it goes.

... and that's a good thing... otherwise we'd have millions of regrets and resentments... and when you find someone who you actually want to be with, in looking out for your own self-interests... you can be that much more satisfied with your choice.

> love is selfishness.

i think that love is understanding.

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puduhead

04-08-2003, 03:33 AM

> > love is selfishness.
>
> i think that love is understanding.

You're in love, I understand. /wwwthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

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wingless

04-08-2003, 05:07 AM

> You're in love, I understand.

heheheh, yeah well... <img src=smilies/hearton.gif>

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SharkESP

04-08-2003, 01:06 PM

> > You're in love, I understand.
>
> heheheh, yeah well...
>
IT's about time this thread said something positive.

Therein lies the problem with discussing your relationships publicly. Each member of the public releases all of thier experiences, both good and bad, and suddenly we're all wife beating assholes and man-hating crackwhores.

Hence why I'll never publicly express problems in my love life. There's a reason why your hearts were not built on the outside of your bodies.

Lord have mercy, baby's got her blue jeans on...

lord_steak

04-08-2003, 05:17 PM

> Therein lies the problem with discussing your relationships
> publicly. Each member of the public releases all of thier
> experiences, both good and bad, and suddenly we're all wife
> beating assholes and man-hating crackwhores.
>

Or psychotic best-friend killers. Heh.

> Hence why I'll never publicly express problems in my love
> life. There's a reason why your hearts were not built on the
> outside of your bodies.
>

Or outside the mind? Perhaps we need more aphrodisiacs.

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wingless

04-08-2003, 06:01 PM

> Therein lies the problem with discussing your relationships
> publicly. Each member of the public releases all of thier
> experiences, both good and bad, and suddenly we're all wife
> beating assholes and man-hating crackwhores.

i understand that people have their issues with things. no one is born with so much hate... we learn it somehow. people have issues... but some people are just more extreme in how they choose to deal with those issues. i like to be candid about my experiences in hopes that it might be able to give different perspectives. i also like hearing about other's experiences... even if they do piss me off. i'd rather know shit like that is really out there instead of living in denial or ignorance.

> Hence why I'll never publicly express problems in my love
> life. There's a reason why your hearts were not built on the
> outside of your bodies.

wow, good point. profound, even.

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puduhead

04-08-2003, 06:32 PM

> > Hence why I'll never publicly express problems in my love
> > life. There's a reason why your hearts were not built on
> > the outside of your bodies.
>
> wow, good point. profound, even.

But Neil Diamond told me to turn on my heart light!! <img src=smilies/crying.gif>

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