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lord_steak
03-12-2003, 09:01 PM
Remember me talking about that gal? Something...<font size=5>NOT GOOD</font> happened before we came back into each other's lives.

My best friend and I have been best friends for a decade now. That means since I was 11-years old. Some time therein, we had sworn to not do ANYTHING at all with one of the other's ex-'s. I have had oodles of oppurtunities over the years, particularly last fall, and held true to my word.

The gal I spoke of informed me today that they had sex about a month ago, and that they thought it'd be best to keep in under wraps. Additionally, he had kissed her a number of times before then.

I have never been that furious in my life. No yelling, no screaming, no hitting, no carrying on. Silent, shaking, and all began to get a red-ish tint. She was crying. She also told me that guy up in Maine had proposed to her (either over the phone or over IM), and that she said yes. She was clinging to me, crying, and apologizing profusely. She said she loved us both. She also said that if I popped the question first, she'd probably have said yes to me.

I pleaded God to help me keep the rage under control. I know that is the ONLY reason I was able to. Eventually, the first wave of anger passed. I forgave her, and she seems to be willing to grant me herself for the next week & a half, when finals week ends (after which, I might never see her again).

Fury. Almost never enters my system, but when it does....

What I'm worried about right now is that the second wave hasn't come yet, in five hours. That's bad. There's only been a few times I've been raging, and it comes in an initial wave, then one that's much more severe later. I get the feeling that wave will be triggered by my seeing him again. She said she's gonna tell him tomorrow, and she demands to be there when I get to have my little chat with the snot. Here's how things look if my anger starts mounting:

I outweigh him by 70-75 pounds.
I stand a few inches taller than him.
I've hit the weights much more than he has.
I've had training in various martial arts (not much, but enough to combine); he has none.
I have all the hate and rage built up over a 8-year span of a physically abusive older brother that I couldn't stop, paired with this; he's never seen me truly pissed, let alone raging.
I have more experience in scraps than he does.
I've drank a hell of a lot more milk than he has.
He's got a thin build.

Not looking good for him, I know.

She said she was gonna have to call that guy up in Maine. She said he's gonna be livid when she tells him about that encounter with m' best friend, and again about what she & I did last Saturday.

If he says she's gone, <u>SHE'S MINE FOR KEEPS!!!</u>

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SharkESP
03-12-2003, 09:11 PM
If God was what took care of your anger the first time, consider that It may not fill you up for a second wave.

If you want her, and truely forgive her, then it's best not to get mad. If she will commit to you and stick with it, then the two of you will be fine.

She sounds quite confused and looking for someone to hang on to. Give her something to hold on to and let the storm pass. When it does, you'll both be happier.

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JadussD
03-12-2003, 09:11 PM
> If he says she's gone, SHE'S MINE FOR KEEPS!!!
>

Dude man! No! Do not do that! You will fucking regret it like nothing you can ever imagine! She is not yours, because she is a dishonest, cheating bitch! Think about it.

She fucked your best friend, and in doing so cheated on someone she cared enough about to get FUCKING ENGAGED TO, then she ran to you. Do you really think you're that different to her? She must have mental problems, dude. Ones you can't fix.

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shawn
03-12-2003, 09:23 PM
It doesn't matter, she was an ex at the time and she was honest, just push it aside and go from there, your cooler than a grudge over something like this. <img src=smilies/cwm11.gif>

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Lobster Cowboy
03-12-2003, 09:30 PM
forget her, move on.

i can't be any simpler. if this sounds trite and obvious, you're right.

there are better girls out there. someone who loves you won't do what you just described.

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SamIAm
03-12-2003, 10:24 PM
> there are better girls out there. someone who loves you
> won't do what you just described.
>

I hate to say it, but I think Lobster Cowboy just hit the nail on the head. However, if you can't make yourself leave her, at least make sure you don't commit to anything anytime soon. I guess things could actually work out, but you'd be a fool not to take some real time to cool off and judge the situation fully, as only you can do. Just be honest with yourself. Good luck.


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SwampGas
03-12-2003, 11:09 PM
my ex cheated. what you described is only half the battle. redish tint? i almost had a heartattach or a stroke or burst a blood vessel. i was too angry and furious and pissed and hateful to scream or yell...i had to concentrate on not dying.

there was a reason you guys broke up the first time. there is a reason why she hides stuff. those reasons aren't going to go away.

you don't want to hear it (and neither did i when i was in your position), but you need to find someone else. this is not the correct person.

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CEpeep
03-12-2003, 11:52 PM
> If he says she's gone, SHE'S MINE FOR KEEPS!!!
>

I have to agree with most of the other posts to this thread:

You don't want her. I told you to try and stay friends with her, but the fact that she's screwed up changes everything. She cheated once, who's to say she won't do it again? You deserve better.

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lord_steak
03-13-2003, 12:59 AM
> It doesn't matter, she was an ex at the time and she was
> honest, just push it aside and go from there, your cooler
> than a grudge over something like this.
>

A good deal of how I function is based on my beliefs about how sacred one's word is. I achieved Eagle Rank in scouting, so that counts double there. This was an oath I had kept perfectly for 8 years, when there were many, many chances to get a helluva lay, or a superb make-out session, and I admit that I was more than just tempted, but my word and my conscience are my guides.

Oh, and you astrology-types, my wheel chart says I'm a triple-Sagittarius, including Sun sign. Go figure, eh?

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lord_steak
03-13-2003, 01:03 AM
Okay, let me clarify a few things. I thought I got that in the original post, but, oh well.

The event with my best friend happened nearly a month ago. The guy in Maine proposed within the last few days. All this was told to me about noon-ish today.

As for problems I can't fix, I can help her get help. That's about the only thing I seem to do well anymore.


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Dark Macc
03-13-2003, 02:44 AM
> > I achieved Eagle Rank in scouting, so that counts double
> there.

Damn yo, I was a scout for a while, made Star, then dropped. I found myself in the ranks of DeMolay after that...'cause Kijutsu dragged me in. :D

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Dark Macc
03-13-2003, 02:49 AM
> In the ranks of what?

<a href=http://www.DeMolay.org>DeMolay</a> <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

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puduhead
03-13-2003, 02:52 AM
> > I achieved Eagle Rank in scouting, so that counts double
> there.

I'm mr. ultimate underachiver. Life Scout, 5 merit badges and an eagle project to go to make eagle! Maybe they'll still let me? I'm only 27. <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

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type_x
03-13-2003, 06:05 AM
What more can I say that hasn't been said already? Man, I feel for you since I have experienced betrayal in the worst way, but she's not gonna be faithful to you a month, a year, five years from now. I hope things work for you in a way that makes you happy in the long run.

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SpaceTiger
03-13-2003, 05:06 PM
> If he says she's gone, SHE'S MINE FOR KEEPS!!!

Don't be stupid, dude. Ditch this girl, she's just going to ruin your life in the long run and....can you imagine having kids with somebody like that?!


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lord_steak
03-13-2003, 05:10 PM
> Don't be stupid, dude. Ditch this girl, she's just going to
> ruin your life in the long run and....can you imagine having
> kids with somebody like that?!
>

Not really.

Yesterday, when I posted this, and my first few replies, I was still utterly emotional in my thoughts. Not thinking logically at all. Obviously, I still have strong feelings for her. I can't do this. It's madness. And, as for him, well, there's goes being best friends for 10 years. All of this is just so damn idiotic. I still find it hard to believe he'd do this shit.

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SpaceTiger
03-13-2003, 05:30 PM
> Obviously, I still have strong feelings
> for her. I can't do this. It's madness. And, as for him,
> well, there's goes being best friends for 10 years. All of
> this is just so damn idiotic. I still find it hard to
> believe he'd do this shit.

I think you should forgive your friend, but move on from her. Girls are expendable, best friends are not. Besides, it's very hard for a guy to say no to sex and it's not like you were dating her at the time. I'm not saying it's justified, just that it should be a forgivable offense.


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lord_steak
03-13-2003, 05:36 PM
> I'm not saying it's
> justified, just that it should be a forgivable offense.
>

There is nothing in this world I find more difficult to forgive than broken oathes and promises. That oath has been in effect for 8 years, without incident. Why now? Why her (I wouldn't have been half as hurt had it been any other ex- of mine)? And, of all things, why that far? I just don't get it.

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SpaceTiger
03-13-2003, 05:49 PM
> There is nothing in this world I find more difficult to
> forgive than broken oathes and promises.

I can really understand that, I know what it feels like. We have to admit, however, that people are ultimately human. If the behavior is persistent, then it becomes more difficult to justify it as a fluke.

Personally, I just wish that I didn't have to trust anybody, it would make life a lot easier. Broken trust can completely alter the way you look at someone. I never thought it would be possible, but the day after my girlfriend cheated on me (not sex, fortunately), I actually loved her less. I was suprised how much of my love was rooted in trust. The trust and the love do come back, but it takes time. That's why consistently unfaithful or screwed up girls aren't worth it.

> That oath has been
> in effect for 8 years, without incident. Why now? Why her
> (I wouldn't have been half as hurt had it been any other ex-
> of mine)? And, of all things, why that far? I just don't
> get it.

I don't know, but I think you should ask him. My guess is that he will be very apologetic, just don't be too confrontational.

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World_Demise
03-13-2003, 05:50 PM
Don't bother trying to understand it. She fucked up, not you. Remember how you were feeling when she told you? Well, you'll most likely feel that way a few times more if you do get back with her. Ditch her and find someone else.

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lord_steak
03-13-2003, 05:58 PM
> I don't know, but I think you should ask him. My guess is
> that he will be very apologetic, just don't be too
> confrontational.
>

That's the hard part.

She said she wants to be there, to make sure I don't do something stupid. That second wave of anger still hasn't hit, so, that might be a good idea. I spent a fair amount of last night in tears over it all, right before finals week no less.

I'm just waiting for Spring Break. Then, I get to leave all this bullshit for 11 days. I'm spending it with my big bro, in a nice secluded area. I really need a break. A good deal of the people I know & run into, I tell 'em I need a hug. Usually get 'em too. Still need more. Not that I'm expecting 'em from here (don't know most of you too well), but, oh well.

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lord_steak
03-13-2003, 06:08 PM
> Hey... fighting's not the answer.. A contest dipping oreo's
> in milk is!! And we all know you'd win.

I certainly don't need the calories. His skinny ass, however...5' 8" and 135. Crazy as this sounds, his most recent ex- was jealous of his being thin.

Thanks. I needed something to make me grin.

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SharkESP
03-13-2003, 08:03 PM
> however...5' 8" and 135. Crazy as this sounds, his most
> recent ex- was jealous of his being thin.
So was mine...6' and 150.

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lord_steak
03-14-2003, 04:33 PM
> That reminds me of the hour drive I made the night I broke
> up with my ex when everything finally hit home and I knew I
> had to end it all... I thought I was going to pass out in
> the car, I was so nervous, so angry, so upset... When I saw

> her, there was no yelling, no scene, just a calm, quiet
> level voice... I have no idea how I stayed in control but
> damn did it feel good afterwards - all the shit, all the
> drama, all the lies, all of it gone in the past.
>

Yeah. I know how you feel. I'm about to give up my past in order to have a future. 7 days until I break from all I knew except my big bro and those close to him. See my other post.

I am scared by it all.

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Kuikorosu
03-16-2003, 10:46 PM
> There is nothing in this world I find more difficult to
> forgive than broken oathes and promises.

I couldn't agree more. It sounds like you need to bail and get the hell away from this girl. Anyone who decides to sleep with someone arbitrarily is not worthy of your time.

As for your friend, I wouldn't trust him with anything. This event might have been one of many that he hasn't come clean about.

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Goku
03-17-2003, 01:42 AM
One of my sisters friends

No guts, no brains, no will. Fucked anyone who proposition her to please them. Than told stories of how bad off she was or how bad she felt.

Leave it be. Get on with your life. Let her go ruin her life and get pregnant and/or lose her fiance.

Such is life. No use steaming over it

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