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icenine0

03-04-2003, 06:06 PM

I just accidentally ate a real chicken patty (my step mom mistakenly bought them instead of substitute)... first time I've consumed a significant amount of meat since I declared myself a vegetarian.

It was unavoidable and mistakes are bound to happen, but I just breached my own contract. I don't play by hard and fast rules anymore... It's sort of distressing me. *sigh*

And it didn't even taste that good. /wwwthreads/images/icons/frown.gif

Why do you want my signature? Are you forging a check or something!?

lord_steak

03-04-2003, 06:09 PM

I've never understood vegetarianism. Could you please provide me with reasons/ideals/etc., so that I don't do or say something stupid and offense in the future?

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icenine0

03-04-2003, 06:17 PM

Everyone has individual reasons, but the major categories are three:

1. Morality - (I.E. It is wrong to kill an animal or to cause one suffering.)
2. Environment - (Meat production is a horrendous waste of resources and produces much pollution and waste. 1 pound of beef takes 1,530 gallons of water to raise, whereas 1 pound of wheat takes a mere 50 gallons.)
3. Personal Health - (Many studies have shown that meat and animal products have an overall negative, or at least nonpositive, effect on an individual's health.)

Some are vegetarian strictly because of 1, 2, or 3. My reasons are a blend of mostly 2 and 3, although 1 is a nice plus.

It'd be nice to see other people adhere to it, but I usually don't have the energy, will, or wish to try and change people.

Why do you want my signature? Are you forging a check or something!?

lord_steak

03-04-2003, 06:22 PM

> 3. Personal Health - (Many studies have shown that meat and
> animal products have an overall negative, or at least
> nonpositive, effect on an individual's health.)

I keep on hearing this, but I never see the effects spoken of. If that's the trend in human evolution, when will the hunter's mind and body go away as well? Hopefully soon (as in, noteable change happening within the next 10 generations), if that's the way we're headed.

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lord_steak

03-04-2003, 06:26 PM

> I don't care. Do what you want. I don't eat meat, I just
> ate a chicken patty, and I'm pissed off.
>

Whoa, calm down. I wasn't trying to offend you.

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icenine0

03-04-2003, 06:32 PM

Ok, I was just going to post that I don't care. But what the hell, everyone has to care about something... So here I go.

> I keep on hearing this, but I never see the effects spoken
> of.

How about that 1 in 3 Americans are obese and that heart disease is the leading cause of death here in the US? These two afflictions are unheard of in many Asian countries with rice/plant based diets.

> If that's the trend in human evolution, when will the
> hunter's mind and body go away as well?

People don't hunt for food anymore. They buy little individually packaged chunks of stuff they know as "meat". Where it comes from, it doesn't matter to anyone -- it's like they're buying bags of Doritos. Even at the slaughterhouses, no "hunting" goes on... Animals are bred and mercilessly executed as quickly and efficiently as possible. No survival instinct is involved.

Why do you want my signature? Are you forging a check or something!?

shawn

03-04-2003, 06:33 PM

It doesn't count, when I was in the navy I had quit drinking for like 6 months and was bowling and reached for my soda and accidentally took a sip of beer and it suprised the hell out of me but I realized I hadn't screwed up my dry spell, since it was a mistake and I didn't know it then it doesn' t count and as in your case the beer also tasted bad to me. <img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

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SamIAm

03-04-2003, 06:51 PM

> I keep on hearing this, but I never see the effects spoken
> of.

I'm a vegetarian for the same reasons as icenine0, and it all started after I coincidentally didn't eat any meat for about 2 weeks. My digestion improved dramatically, and my heartburn all but vanished. When I also learned more about the aforementioned environmental effects, I decided to start avoiding meat from then on, and I'm happy I did. Although one time my Dad asked me to help cook dinner for him and some guests, which included ground beef. After sticking it in the pan and hearing the sizzle of the greasy flesh, as well as the raw smell, I honestly started to gag. It's hard to deal with meat after not having it for so long. I can imagine how icenine0 must feel after having eaten the stuff. <img src=smilies/puke.gif>

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SamIAm

03-04-2003, 07:00 PM

>These
> two afflictions are unheard of in many Asian countries with
> rice/plant based diets.

Exactly. I'm a Japanese major, and part of what brought me into the vegetarian fold was seeing how much healthier they are than us Americans, and linking it to their diet. Sure, they enjoy beef and pork every now and then, but usually in low quantities. Fish has always been a crucial part of their diet, but of all the meat out there, that's by far the healthiest. You can buy fish fat in pills, for crying out loud.

I also think it's interesting that just about every Japanese exchange student I know gained 10 pounds within a month of arriving here, and they also lost that much after going home for the summer.

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puduhead

03-04-2003, 07:05 PM

> And it didn't even taste that good.

Let me guess... It tasted just like chicken. <img src=smilies/cwm27.gif>

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CEpeep

03-04-2003, 07:45 PM

> Everyone has individual reasons, but the major categories
> are three:
>

Mine is:

4. It tastes disgusting. /wwwthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

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Drako_Dragon

03-04-2003, 09:58 PM

> How about that 1 in 3 Americans are obese and that heart
> disease is the leading cause of death here in the US? These
> two afflictions are unheard of in many Asian countries with
> rice/plant based diets.

Look a Europe'e eating habits lots of meat, grease, and fats but lower heart disease than the US. why? Not compleatly sure but one of the biggest diffences in USA and the rest of the world in food is Sugar. We put it in everything.

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That would be true except that you killed him.
I did not.
Wait! I hear something inside the casket!
REALLY?!
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lord_steak

03-05-2003, 12:18 AM

> Look a Europe'e eating habits lots of meat, grease, and
> fats but lower heart disease than the US. why? Not
> compleatly sure but one of the biggest diffences in USA and
> the rest of the world in food is Sugar. We put it in
> everything.

I was going to point that out, but, I had to go to work. Oh well.

If we keep on this current trend of military build up, we'll eventually blow ourselves to bits. Survivors will be devoid of our spiffy technology. Then we'll have to hunt again.

Come to think of it, there's a good chance these bad effects never really showed up in earlier man since they didn't live as long as we do. Eh. No big.

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puzzl

03-05-2003, 01:49 AM

im not vegan, but i think meat is unnecessary. All the nutrients you get from meat (Mainly protein), you can get from beans/nuts/etc. But heck, do what you want as long as it doesnt hurt me<img src=smilies/biggthumpup.gif>

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MooglyGuy

03-05-2003, 01:51 AM

> How about that 1 in 3 Americans are obese and that heart
> disease is the leading cause of death here in the US? These
> two afflictions are unheard of in many Asian countries with
> rice/plant based diets.

How about that there are a lot of fat vegetarians, not to mention the fact that you can pass off meat all you want, but sitting around without physical activity and eating cheetos (but no steak) all day isn't going to help someone get thinner.

ricardobaltazar

03-05-2003, 02:05 AM

> And it didn't even taste that good.

One thing I've found is that the longer you go without eating meat, it tastes worse and messes with your body more.

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WhyteKnight

03-05-2003, 07:11 AM

dude your username...in this discussion... <img src=smilies/laff.gif><img src=smilies/laff.gif>

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WhyteKnight

03-05-2003, 07:15 AM

ooh time for the ritual :D

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Eat steak, eat steak eat a big ol' steer
Eat steak, eat steak do we have one near?
Eat beef, eat beef it's a mighty good food
It's a grade A meal when I'm in the moooooood.

Cowpokes'll come from a near and far
When you throw a few rib-eyes on the fire
Roberto Duran ate two before a fight
'Cause it gave a lot of mighty men a lot of mighty might

Eat steak, eat steak eat a big ol' steer
Eat steak, eat steak do we have one near?
Eat beef, eat beef it's a mighty good food
It's a grade A meal when I'm in the moooooood.

Eat meat, eat meat, filet mignon
Eat meat, eat meat, eat it all day long
Eat a few T-bones till you get your fill
Eat a new york cut, hot off the grill

Eat steak, eat steak eat a big ol' steer
Eat steak, eat steak do we have one near?
Eat beef, eat beef it's a mighty good food
It's a grade A meal when I'm in the moooooood.

Eat a cow, eat a cow 'cuase it's good for you
Eat a cow, eat a cow it's the thing that goes "Mooooo"

Look at all the cows in the slaughterhouse yeard
Gotta hit'em in the head, gotta hit'em real hard
First you gotta clean'em then the butcher cuts'em up
Throws it on a scale throws an eyeball in a cup

Saw a big Brahma Steer standing right over there
So I rustled up a fire cooked him medium rare
Bar-B-Q'ed his brisket, a roasted his rump
Fed my dog that ol' Brahma Steer's hump

Eat steak, eat steak eat a big ol' steer
Eat steak, eat steak do we have one near?
Eat beef, eat beef it's a mighty good food
It's a grade A meal when I'm in the moooooood.

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icenine0

03-05-2003, 07:26 AM

Suum (http://www.aros.net/~paladin/suum.jpg), however in no circumstance would a vegetarian diet with comparable nutrients be less healthy than a meat diet. Therefore, I don't have a personal reason, besides gluttonous pleasure, to consume meat.

It certainly takes more resources to raise meat than plant-based goods...

Why do you want my signature? Are you forging a check or something!?

icenine0

03-05-2003, 07:53 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

It's absolutely hilarious when someone violates a personal vow, isn't it?

Why do you want my signature? Are you forging a check or something!?

WhyteKnight

03-05-2003, 08:17 AM

> It's absolutely hilarious when someone violates a personal
> vow, isn't it?
>
Probably not actually. But i like steak, and so does Horton, so we had to do our pagan ritual dance!

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lord_steak

03-05-2003, 12:28 PM

> dude your username...in this discussion...
>

I had a feeling somebody was gonna point that out. I've had that nickname for awhile now; long story behind how I got it.

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MooglyGuy

03-05-2003, 01:08 PM

] Suum, however in no circumstance would a vegetarian diet
] with comparable nutrients be less healthy than a meat diet.
] Therefore, I don't have a personal reason, besides
] gluttonous pleasure, to consume meat.
]
] It certainly takes more resources to raise meat than
] plant-based goods...

Oh, true enough. I'll be the first to admit, I do like a lot of vegetarian meals. There's nothing I like better than making a Bleu Cheese Chicken Salad using those Morning Star patties. Mmm, lettuce, damn-near-chicken, bleu cheese, hot sauce, and ketchup. <img src=smilies/cwm11.gif>

SpaceTiger

03-05-2003, 08:44 PM

> I just accidentally ate a real chicken patty (my step mom
> mistakenly bought them instead of substitute)... first time
> I've consumed a significant amount of meat since I declared
> myself a vegetarian.

I would probably be a vegetarian, except there are certain types of non-vegetarian Indian food that it would not be moral for me not to eat.
Ha! Untangle that, filthy vagabond! Who am I talking to? I don't know.

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lord_steak

03-05-2003, 09:16 PM

If if makes you wanna puke, don't eat it.
Taking note of your sig and everything, eat this instead:

12oz. medium-well New York strip, maranaded with A-1 sauce and a good year of sherry, sautaed with French onions and portelbello mushrooms, served with potatoes Au Gratin, and with a bottle of Joillot

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puduhead

03-05-2003, 09:18 PM

> 12oz. medium-well New York strip, maranaded with A-1 sauce
> and a good year of sherry, sautaed with French onions and
> portelbello mushrooms, served with potatoes Au Gratin, and
> with a bottle of Joillot

God yes! I love that.

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ElZacho

03-06-2003, 02:01 AM

> I just accidentally ate a real chicken patty (my step mom
> mistakenly bought them instead of substitute)... first time
> I've consumed a significant amount of meat since I declared
> myself a vegetarian.

Get the fuck out of here you damned dirty murderer.

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WhyteKnight

03-06-2003, 03:33 AM

I'm not making any derogatory comments about Vegetarianism/Veganism. I'm not stating I think it's wrong, It's a choice for everyone to make, just leave me and my hamburgers out of it. I just felt the need to represent the other side of the fence in what i thought to be a humourous manner.

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icenine0

03-06-2003, 04:42 AM

I can only assume by your post that you hold my views in utter and total contempt and wish to cause me pain.

Well, suum (http://www.aros.net/~paladin/suum.jpg), there's nothing I can do about that. Eat your burgers and be merry... this violation is my own.

> Get the fuck out of here you damned dirty murderer.
>

Why do you want my signature? Are you forging a check or something!?

WhyteKnight

03-06-2003, 05:01 AM

> I am a vegetarian 7 days a year.
> Wednesday was one.
> Friday will be another.
>

Groovy. I enjoy Chicken, Turkey, Ham, Pork, Beef, Goat ;), Camel ;)
and many other tasty soylent flavou...er I mean delicious meaty dishes year round.

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O.Jackson

03-08-2003, 11:32 PM

Hmmm....could someone confirm/refute the following counter-argument to vegetarianism: - "Men who eat steak produce more testosterone, so have greater muscular capacities, ergo are healthier and fitter" This was in a respectable newspaper, and is interesting, even if irrelevant considering the detrimental effects eating red meat can cause.

I suppose it is an exact equivalent of drinking alcohol to help prevent heart disease.

It's also interesting that there are so many vegetarians here (a few people who have posted on this thread and I also know Fla_Flash to be vegetarian)... myself, because I'm religious, I don't believe that death is always a bad thing, but I try to choose free-range chicken and eggs as often as possible (mainly for moral reasons, but also culinary reasons) and I often cook meat-free dishes by choice, because I have a vague wish to have a healthy diet.

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