Question about Marvel Comics and the movies....

[Fla Flash]

Is it just me, or is Marvel grinding out a buncha shit and not taking all the care they should (like they have with Spiderman) with each movie?
Let's face it, the Hulk, although the desert battle scene rocked, sucked overall. And it wasn't the guy playing him (Banner, that is), it just seemed like they stuck Nolte in there to sell the movie a little more and convoluted the origin (more like massacred) to try and sell a lameass script.
I had problems with DD, too.
First off, while the action scenes were okay, the origin, once again, is bastardized.
That's what's pissing me off.
Now I've heard, and correct me if I'm wrong, but that's exactly the same format they're following with Fantastic Four. If that's true, I'll wait for it to come out on DVD and rent it.
Hollywood has plumb run out of ideas.
That's why Marvel and DC should be putting out good films right now.
Batman Begins pretty much rocked, although I deduct a few points for the 'bump n go' car and the fact that Bale's portrayal of the Dark Knight wasn't any better than Keaton's first shot at it (I thought Keaton's first shot was the best in the line).
If DC screws up Superman, I'll be sorely pissed. Especially with a Flash and a Green Lantern movie in early planning.
I don't mind these guys cashing in, but...do it right.
Just my two cents.

[punjman]

Actually, the movie Hulk origin is one of the origins in the comics. <img src=smilies/cwm10.gif>

It's not the TRUE origin, but it is a REAL one, even though it totally sucks.

Fantastic Four was changed. Doom gets his origin just like the Four do apparently (I haven't seen it yet), which I don't agree with. Also, they changed WHAT he is. From the looks of the previews, his skin changes into that metal suit of his, while in the comic, he's basically an evil version of IronMan. (no powers, uses a powered suit)

[Fla Flash]

No. Banner himself, not as a child, as an adult was exposed to the blast. Not zapped later on.
They took liberties.
I just have a problem with that.

[punjman]

> They took liberties.
> I just have a problem with that.

I don't think he was exposed to Gamma when he was a kid, he just got the 'genetic' thing from his dad doing testing on himself, that's what I meant.

I've only seen the movie once, so I probably don't remember if he was exposed to Gamma when he was a kid.

Either way, I agree. Liberties are not to be taken. For example, Spider-man. While the movie ROCKED, there was no REAL nessecity to change the spider into a Genetically engineered one. A irradiated one would have sufficed. Totally in agreement.

[The 9th Sage]

> Is it just me, or is Marvel grinding out a buncha shit and
> not taking all the care they should (like they have with
> Spiderman) with each movie?

Yeah, about the only Marvel movies I've really gotten into were the SpiderMan and X-Men movies, because they've done pretty good jugs with each of them.

DD was ok...not great.

Never saw The Hulk.

[The 9th Sage]

> Fantastic Four was changed. Doom gets his origin just like
> the Four do apparently (I haven't seen it yet), which I
> don't agree with. Also, they changed WHAT he is. From the
> looks of the previews, his skin changes into that metal suit
> of his, while in the comic, he's basically an evil version
> of IronMan. (no powers, uses a powered suit)

If they did that to this extent, that's lame. I always liked Doom because of what he was. He had a kind of pathos (if that's the right word) like Doc Ock does.

[mrfreeze]

> DD was ok...not great.
>
> Never saw The Hulk.
>
Watch the Directors Cut of DD it was better. Although they still left in that horrible playground scene. What the fuck were they thinking?

[Goku]

What was different in the directors cut?

[mrfreeze]

> What was different in the directors cut?
>
Added in an actual court trial for one. Which was the springboard for him going after the kingpin. Rent it though, in case you end up disliking both.

[Goku]

Hmm, you dont know where i live! I liked the theatrical version. Not alot, but i did not mind it. I actually went and googled the differences between the two versions so i have a much better idea now. i just never knew that there was a directors cut!

[UncleOral]

As for origins and such, I'm not really the epitome of knowledge when it comes to comics, in Norway you'd be hard pressed to find much different Marvel stuff in our stores, Donald Duck was the man over here. :P

Hmm...so, (Marvel or not) superhero movies, here's my thoughts:

Spiderman:
Liked both, very much. Original moreso, mostly because Willem Dafoe is, to say the least, badass. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Trucido/icon_heartbeat.gif
As far as Spidey himself goes, I was generally pleased with the performance, though I am one who can be easily swayed by special effects. I wish they made him funnier though, as Spidey in the comics made me laugh in many an occasion in the various magazines I read at my friends house. Also, while not necessarily an issue with the movie...Smallville Syndrome #16: Main character's alter ego is a wuss.
As for Spidey II, I kinda liked the ending...but I didn't really like the part with the....revelation to the subway passengers, that's just unrealistic (and cheezy).

Daredevil:
Didn't care much for it....now, I've never really been a fan of old DD (dodges sharp objects from Frank Miller fans, hey stop, don't hurt me, I loved Sin City!), though my friend is a huge huge fan, and he really didn't like the movie either.
He could probably put it into better words than I can. I just kinda felt it had no real punch, even Bullseye whom I actually do like in the books wasn't all too impressive (well, sure, he can hit stuff...).
Unlike most DD fans (it seems), I don't have a problem with Ben Affleck either, so that wasn't it, nor the Kingpin 'transformation' (I didn't really care because Michael Clarke Duncan makes up for it since he kicks large amounts of ass).

Batman Begins:
Awesome, check the thread for some of my comments if interested.
As for older Batmans, I only really liked Tim Burton's two.
Mr Freeze was cool, but he really couldn't save that movie... :P

X-Men:
Funny thing was, a rather large group of my friends went to see the original years back, and while walking out of the cinema I was the only one who could look past the horrible, horrible, horrible punchline which struck lightning throughout the crowd and actually really liked the movie.
Half a year later many of them had changed their minds and today it's general consensus that it's a cool film. :P
X-Men II was even better, in my opinion, not much detail to go into other than I liked the overall execution of the characters and story. Picard is cool, even though I don't really like Star Trek. ;P
Magneto is my favorite though, he the man.

Punisher:
Kind of weak, I was hoping for more badass behaviour from the man himself, the russian was pretty cool though. :D
Overall not too bad I guess, but I in retrospect it doesn't strike me as very memorable.

Blade:
Muy bien, I like Snipes (Demolition Man, muhah). I'm of the rare opinion that I liked Blade II more than the original, actually.
Trinity however wasn't especially superb, it wasn't bad, just not as good as the other two in my opinion.
I'm fond of vampire lore and the like, so I'm a little biased though.

Van Hellsing:
Rather cool, but somehow I quickly tired of this movie, after having seen it twice, the third time I was completely uninterested (this wasn't right after one another either, it was over a month or two at least). Odd, because the first time I liked it.
It does have the immense drawback of the worst Dracula in acting history, though (I could play a much, much better Dracula, seriously), which drags the overall rating down quite a bit.
Frankenstein is really cool though and brings it back up a bit. ;)

Hellboy:
Bah...I really dislike the comic, but the movie wasn't that bad. It was ok, though the ending could have gone....differently.
Not much to say, other than I liked the Hellboy in the movie more than in the books (I don't understand why Mignola gets so much praise for his art style, I think it's overly inaccurate and I dislike it...but to each their own I guess).

The Hulk:
Crap, aside from effects which rocked. Didn't like it at all, to be honest, put in some crappy effects instead and I'd never watch it again. The ending just made me angry, but then when I was at the peak of my anger\boredom:
<center>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Trucido/Jesushulk.gif
I remembered...</center>

Which saved my soul, and I proceeded to snicker to myself until the credits, going through some family guy episodes in my head.

Honorary mentions:

The Incredibles:
Ah man, I love this movie, just so awesome. It may not be insanely funny like Nemo, but it has plenty of really cool effects and an overall good feel to it the whole way through.

Constantine:
....whoa
Like, dude.
[/reaves] Was pretty cool, well, some of it. The ending especially, struck me rather well, and that's a very important part in a movie. ;)

Smallville:
I like Smallville, overall...though I hate Clark. :P
I was a Superman fan pre-Smallville, now I'm just digging Lex and hoping Clark will one day grow out of his many, many syndromes.
Learn to use your god damn abilities or give them to me you foolish alien.


Ouch, this became long, stopping here because now I need to sleep 2-3 hours and start packing, we're moving into the new house!

Might be without internet for a while, I'll go by a friend's house and check the board now and then, ta ta (ugh, for once I'm gonna drop the spellcheck and hope I didn't mess anything up, I'm dead tired).

[Lobster Cowboy]

I want to punch Ang Lee in the face for Hulk.

Hulk is supposed to be the tragic story of a good man who has to deal with the uncontrollable monster inside of him, not a wimpy, bleeding heart, father/son psychobabble drama.

Seriously, if I ever see Ang Lee, I'll shove my foot in his pretentious ass. Fucking clown.

Can anyone tell that I -HATE- the Hulk movie?

[AkaneJones]

> As for origins and such, I'm not really the epitome of
> knowledge when it comes to comics, in Norway you'd be hard
> pressed to find much different Marvel stuff in our stores,
> Donald Duck was the man over here. :P
*Throws Count Duckula Comic at him and laughs*
and yes I do have a Count Duckula Comic of too, somewhere around here.

[packardmelan]

Read Peter David's review of Fantastic Four -- he's a comic book writer... you may know him from "The Incredible Hulk", and several others.

He liked Fantastic Four. He said it was a little off, and a bit silly; but not campy.

Check it out - when it comes to a comic *writer*, I'll take his word on things. :)

http://www.peterdavid.net

[Fla Flash]

Now for some reason, I feel the strange urge to tie you up and beat you repeatedly with my own copy.
God, why did you bring that up????<img src=smilies/banghead.gif>

[Fla Flash]

Most of the reviews said FF was passable, but mostly cause of Micheal Chiklis' performance as The Thing.
BTW, for all you realists out there, These are fucking comic books. This is what hollywood will be turning to because they've run the f*ck out of ideas. Don't go to a movie expecting to see Bowling For Columbine, cause it ain't gonna fucking happen/
Feel better now. :)

[Cornellius]

Well, haven't seen Hulk. I hated the Spidermans. I loved Superman though.

[punjman]

> I hated the Spidermans.

Translated = I hate good comic movies that are about as close as possible to the original comic it's based on and totally rock at the same time. Additionally, I'm a moron.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by punjman on 07/09/05 11:30 PM.</FONT></P>

[Lenophis]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>

This is what hollywood will be turning to because they've run the f*ck out of ideas.

<hr></blockquote>
It's the era of the somewhat shitty action scenes, sex appeal via one hot chick, and bad writing. For examples, see Tomb Raider, Daredevil, Hellboy, and apparently the Hulk. I haven't actually seen the Hulk yet. I guess the lone exception to the rule is the Punisher.

Long story short, never expect a good movie when video game characters are ported, comic books are converted, and when Hollywood has a say in it.

[Canar]

> Well, haven't seen Hulk. I hated the Spidermans.

Agreed. Spiderman (1 at least) was more hole-ridden than a moth-eaten sweater.

[Mikey]

The biggest problem is that the producers of these movies are taking liberties not so much for the sake of being creative, but as an attempt to make the characters and their powers more plausible. What they fail to understand though, is that people do not read comic books for their realism. Not everything has to be believable, damnit!

I'd like to see a superhero movie that just dives right into it without even bothering to explain the character's origin. Stay as true to the comic as possible, and to hell with believability.

And.. uhhh... the original Punisher movie rules! Drago as The Punisher can not be topped.

[Cornellius]

Woah. Leave the whole "I'm cool" attitude. I'm just saying that I hated the Spidermans. Go see a doctor about that anger problem.

[punjman]

> Woah. Leave the whole "I'm cool" attitude. I'm just saying
> that I hated the Spidermans. Go see a doctor about that
> anger problem.

Who's angered? I find it interesting (to say the least) that you hated 2 kickass movies.

[Cornellius]

Spiderman just isn't MY superhero. I was never really into him. The superhero I watched while young and still do is Batman. Well, he doesn't have any supernatural powers though.

[punjman]

Understandable, but dude. Batman is not my cup of tea. As far as I'm concerned (and I DO have a point to this rambling) Bats is a wannabe superhero. He's a cop that took it a little too far, and has lots of money so he can buy all kinds of toys.

But I do admit he's a badass at what he does. And Batman Begins is extremely close to overtaking my favoritism on Spidey's sequel. That movie rocked.... And I don't like Batman.

[The 9th Sage]

Ah dude, totally forgot about Blade.

I agree with you wholeheartedly....Blade 1 was good, Blade II was better, Trinity was good but not as good as it could've been, II was far better.

Man, I should rewatch that....actually, Blade II has the honor (?) of being the first DVD my dad bought, before he actually had a DVD player. :P

[The 9th Sage]

> Now for some reason, I feel the strange urge to tie you up
> and beat you repeatedly with my own copy.
> God, why did you bring that up????

Hah, this Count Duckula (and teh Uncle's Family Guy reference) remind me of that Wonder Twins joke in Family Guy (probably don't have this quite right).

Peter and Brian: "Wonder Twin powers....ACTIVATE!"
*they touch the rings*
Peter: "Wah, it didn't work!"
Brian: "Peter...we got these out of a box of Frankenberry!"

[The 9th Sage]

> Translated = I hate good comic movies that are about as
> close as possible to the original comic it's based on and
> totally rock at the same time. Additionally, I'm a moron.

Oh jesus. <img src=smilies/upeyes.gif>

[punjman]

> Oh jesus.

no no.. PUNJMAN.

[The 9th Sage]

> no no.. PUNJMAN.

More like BLUNTOPINIONATEDMAN. :P

[punjman]

> More like BLUNTFACTUALMAN. :P


fixed. <img src=smilies/flipa.gif>

[The 9th Sage]

> fixed.

http://www.honeymooners.net/tribute/danm.gif

One of these days Punjman...one of these days...pow, BOOM, STRAIGHT TO THE MOON!

[Isildur]

> One of these days Punjman...one of these days...pow, BOOM,
> STRAIGHT TO THE MOON!
>

Haw, I doubt many people would get that nowadays. That show was the greatest. ;)

[punjman]

> Haw, I doubt many people would get that nowadays. That show
> was the greatest. ;)


That's neat that they are making an old style series out of that Honeymooners movie with Cedric the Entertainer.










<img src=smilies/moon.gif>

[Isildur]

> That's neat that they are making an old style series out of
> that Honeymooners movie with Cedric the Entertainer.
>
> <img src=smilies/moon.gif>


Oops, I had forgotten (probably deliberately, on a subconscious level) about the fact that there's a remake now.

[The 9th Sage]

> Oops, I had forgotten (probably deliberately, on a
> subconscious level) about the fact that there's a remake
> now.

Hm, I shoulda posted about that movie in the movies I hate but have never seen thread.