Games not being exciting anymore.

[JCE3000GT]

I can officially say I am no longer a "gamer". I spent $40 on a new PS2 game Friday and played it a whole 4 hours before I got bored. So this is it, I'm reduced to playing Street Fighter Alpha 3, Capcom vs SNK 2, Samurai Shodown 4, and Mario Kart (SNES) with friends for the rest of my life. No more RPGs, no more single player games, and no more reliving classics. I just can't be entertained anymore by games. I tried to play 5 different games yesterday, and couldn't play each of them for more than 10 minutes before being bored. So what did I do yesterday? Watched the entire 8th season of Friends on DVD. That's what excites me...watching DVD shows and movies, and working on and driving cars. I'm helping my brother put a JDM spec motor into his '85 Toyota MR2--THAT excites me. Watching TV shows on DVD, seeing movies excites me, and watching the NBA excites me. Hanging out with friends is also entertaining. I'm hugely and insanely excited to get all my old favorite TV shows on DVD like A-Team, Garfield and Friends, Knight Rider, Stargate, Babylon 5, Star Treks, and etc.

So, I ask all of you in my age range 25-30 what's wrong with me? Am I getting *cough*old*cough*?

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[pipes]

Personally I think games suck today. My most used system is my NES. My PS2 is a DVD player. I have like 5 new games but never play them.

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[Disch]

> So, I ask all of you in my age range 25-30 what's wrong with
> me? Am I getting *cough*old*cough*?

Yep. That's all it is. It's not that the games aren't as good... it's that you've outgrown them. Just as most people the generation before you had zero interest in our games -- we have zero interest in the next generation's games. That's just how it goes.

It'll happen with music too.

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[JCE3000GT]

> Yep. That's all it is. It's not that the games aren't as
> good... it's that you've outgrown them. Just as most
> people the generation before you had zero interest in our
> games -- we have zero interest in the next generation's
> games. That's just how it goes.

That's rather depressing...

> It'll happen with music too.

That's already happend. <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>

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[Ugly Joe]

As was said in another thread, there were as many crap games in the past as there are now. There are definately still good games being made. The problem for me is that the good games of today require too much effort to play. They can do a great job creating another world and emersing you in it. For me, that's interesting, but not the kind of thing I'm going to play. Ironically, I seem to enjoy the simple, generic platformers on newer consoles more than the good ones. That, and cruely difficult games (like Mission Impossible on the nes for now). I like those too.

So, I would guess your dislike of modern games is pretty common.

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[Canar]

> So, I ask all of you in my age range 25-30 what's wrong with
> me? Am I getting *cough*old*cough*?

I look at it differently. Personally, I'm getting annoyed with doing things that have no value whatsoever in the long run. Gaming is nothing but a transient form of entertainment. I also find learning entertaining, and it actually achieves something. I'm currently making an effort to learn lojban, an artificial language. I've also got programming projects I'm working on (possibly very lucrative), trying to start up a computer tech support business just for the hell of it, and am working about 60 hours a week for my dad's company. So I really have no time for pointless things like games.

I still make plenty of time for music though, and still find as many nifty tracks that I love. Just gotta keep hunting... I'm at ~700 albums right now, and have listened to and enjoy most of them.


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[The 9th Sage]

> So, I ask all of you in my age range 25-30 what's wrong with
> me? Am I getting *cough*old*cough*?

Naw...I'm younger than you and I myself went through a period of not playing games very much. I find that the amount of time I spend playing games ebbs and flows. Lately I've been obsessing over DSpaint (a Nintendo DS paint program that is part of a larger program, a shell like environment) and drawing weird crap with it on my breaks at work.

LIke below...It's awesome in it's crapulence. :P

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[Canar]

> LIke below...It's awesome in it's crapulence. :P

Hehe, that's cool.


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[JCJones86]

> I also find learning entertaining, and it
> actually achieves something. I'm currently making an effort
> to learn lojban, an artificial language.

Wow, just... wow. Two most contradicting statements EVAR.

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[Slicer S. V.]

> > I also find learning entertaining, and it
> > actually achieves something. I'm currently making an
> > effort to learn lojban, an artificial language.

> Wow, just... wow. Two most contradicting statements EVAR.

uhm... how? he finds learning entertaining, so do i. he's choosing to learn an artificial language, so what? i've CREATED THREE, yes, that's right, THREE artificial languages. and i love to learn too.

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[Disch]

It's every language an artificial language?

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[Canar]

> Wow, just... wow. Two most contradicting statements EVAR.

Lojban is a language constructed to test the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis. It is entirely based around predicate logic and is easily interpreted by computers. On top of that, it has many more very interesting features, such as the fact that each word has but a single denotation. It is exceptionally terse, is constructed in such a way that it is completely culturally neutral, and allows for expression of concepts that English cannot elegantly handle. On top of that, it can replicate phrase-structure of other languages very precisely while conveying the same meaning.

I'm extremely annoyed with English's ambiguity and rigidity. The specificity and elegance of lojban are unlike any other language that exists, and it's really aiding me in thinking logically.

Honestly, learning a new language is a hell of a lot more interesting than anything you can do on a computer. It completely affects the way you think in a way unparalleled by anything other than hard psychedelic drugs.

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[Lenophis]

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So, I ask all of you in my age range 25-30 what's wrong with me? Am I getting *cough*old*cough*?

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You are old. <img src=smilies/upeyes.gif> j/k

But, this is what I believe:
1. When you were a kid, you were completely blown away by what you saw. You appreciated what you saw without really thinking about it. As you grew older, you would look back and appreciate even more the quality of what you had played.
2. In this era of all flash, no style, you expect to be blown away just as you had been long ago. We both know that won't happen (there will be a few rare exceptions to the rule, but generally it's long gone.) Perfect example, Final Fantasy 7. It IS the pioneer of the 3D RPG. Good game, but not a great game. Tactics, however, is a great game. It had the awe and greatness of a pioneer. I know I'll never see that kind of game again.

So in conclusion, when we can't be entertained by the awe, we just bore ourselves by mindlessly blowing stuff up (ala Duke Nukem, Doom, etc), beat the living hell out of stuff, (Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, etc), or play MMORPG's. All of which are on the level of "meh."

JCE, best way to enjoy the gaming experience as you once did, lower your expectations. Or make your own game. <img src=smilies/thumb.gif>

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[Wren]

> It's every language an artificial language?

Every spoken language is. Body language would be the only "natural" language.

-Wren

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[AkaneJones]

It's not your age, it's not the games, it might be you.
But the point is it sort of this slump, it's the same reason I have really haven't watch any of the anime I have on tape in the past 3 years. It just seems like to much effort, it's why I've only rewatch Ramna and Maison Ikkoku and only seem to watch what's on tv. It hasn't anything to do with the content or stuff it just is.
However with that said you can overplay a game this is why playing it to death for a month or two, then comming back to it in a year or three is good, then there are those times you just want something simple like a mindless puzzle game or fighting title. Which remind me that what i really need is a copy of Puyo Pop for GBA so when I feel like a no brainer puzzle game I have something other to play than Mario Bros.(does the game have a Phase 100 my high score is Phase 99 and I died before completing it). But ofcourse that issue is the same reason people pull out soliter on computer and play it over something bigger more complex and more engaging, because there are times something quick easy and simple are best.

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[SivakDrac]

> So, I ask all of you in my age range 25-30 what's wrong with
> me? Am I getting *cough*old*cough*?

I still like video games, though not all games. I'm actually getting into Xiangqi (Chinese Chess), which is a board game. Haven't won too many online, but it's still a fun take on Chess.

I remember Warcraft 3 blew me away back in 2002. I played it a lot, then the expansion came out and that was fun. Though after around 3000 or so ladder games, finally got to the point of not playing it pretty frequently.

Same goes with Flash programming. I made a pretty fair game in 10 days without knowing ActionScript. I can look at the game code and can't tell you what a lot of it is doing.

The point: Hobbies are good, but can become insignificant fast. But they can still "revive".

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[Danoz]

That's my problem, too. The entertainment value isn't worth the time investment for me. I can play an NES game like Air Fortress or Demon Sword and fly through it mindlessly. I still play Mario Kart on gamecube with friends occasionally. I love my hobbies, but my satisfaction comes with the result. (I practice guitar, I get better. I brew beer, I get to drink it. I make a graphic or write a poem, the investment is right in front of me. I work out, I get stronger). In my college years I have become more practical, but even when I first started emulation my games were still the classics even if they were before my time. I romhacked and built emulation websites, both of which involve a great time investment that produces a result beyond "I beat *insert game here* and it was awesome.". That's not to say beating a game involves no sense of satisfaction, but the visual reward is nonexistent and I value that. The only games I have consistently played release and upon release from beginning to end are Zelda games, and I'd never down somebody who plays games all the time consistently. I watch History channel to relax, but even there, the investment = knowledge. I suppose the most pointless thing I do is watch 7 Days and Quantum Leap reruns and read Star Trek books :).

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[Danoz]

> Every spoken language is. Body language would be the only
> "natural" language.

Why? We created our languages, how could that be "unnatural"? And even certain body language moves from culture to culture, does that make it unnatural? Is unnatural defined as anything beyond our purest of instincts... but then who's to say our purest instincts don't involve creating complex languages and building cities?

Just being philosophical this morning ;)

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[Blade556]

Buy Splinter Cell. Preferrably for Xbox <img src=smilies/cwm11.gif>

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[icenine0]

Natural languages evolve over centuries through the socio-cultural interactions of hundreds of thousands of people. Languages like Lojban or Esperanto, on the other hand, are deliberately and rationally designed by a mere handful. In that sense, they can be considered artificial.

> It's every language an artificial language?
>

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[punjman]

I agree. I haven't the time to play games anymore, and that really bugs me. But even if I do get a few minutes to play a game, i'm usually bored.

One item to check out that seems pretty interesting (if for nothing else the storyline which is by Orson Scott Card) is Advent Rising. It looks like it might be a pretty cool game.<img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

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[Slicer S. V.]

> One item to check out that seems pretty interesting (if for
> nothing else the storyline which is by Orson Scott Card) is
> Advent Rising. It looks like it might be a pretty cool
> game.

a game with it's story written by CARD!!!!! yep. this just made it onto my short list ;)

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[JCE3000GT]

> Languages like Lojban or Esperanto, on the other
> hand, are deliberately and rationally designed by a mere
> handful. In that sense, they can be considered artificial.

Why would you "create" your own language when more than half of the world speaks english, spanish, or french? I mean, unless you're making one for a series of games or movies then what's the point? Someone enlighten me? <img src=smilies/erm.gif>

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[punjman]

> a game with it's story written by CARD!!!!! yep. this just
> made it onto my short list ;)

Yup. From what I understand, Orson himself is trying to downplay his involvment with the game itself though, other than story-wise. Www.hatrack.com is is official website and he is so damn cool he even responds to posts on his own forum. Sometimes he even gets into running joke convos with people, cool guy eh? Anyway yeah, Advent Rising's main story-line wasn't written BY Card (from what he explained). It was written by the creator of the game, sorta like "jim olson" thought up "ok.. aliens hate humans... last human around.. has powers, set in the future... etc." but OSC actually developed the entire story more fully.

Best example I can think of is Robotech (and I don't mean Carl Macek's editing of Macross etc). Macek 'made up' the Robotech storyline for the 3 series, but Jack McKinney wrote 21 novels based on the show, and expanded on it. That's how I percieve it. Either way, the game really DOES look great.
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[pipes]

> Why would you "create" your own language when more than half
> of the world speaks english, spanish, or french? I mean,
> unless you're making one for a series of games or movies
> then what's the point? Someone enlighten me?

Didn't Tolkien make like about 10 or 11 of them and used a only a few for Lord of the Rings? -not an answer sorry<img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

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[MonsieurSirhan]

You could be either just in the mood, or just grew tired of an habit that have possibly been doing since you were a kid.

In any case, you can pretty much just play a game when you really fucking care, and do some other stuff.

[Fla Flash]

I just think it's a boredom phase. You're not getting old. If anyone is around here it's me.
I've still to finish Skies of Arcadia on my cube, Evolution and Time Stalkers on my DC and *ducks* Super Mario World on my SNES.
Reason: been messing with a dj prog and making my own mixes and am attemping to totally finish Pokemon Colosseum (battle mode).
Plus, I occasionally drift off toward Crazy Taxi and MegaMan anniversary, as well as being in the middle of a season in NFL2K3 (all on my cube).
Plus, (hangs head) I haven't finished FF Tactics on my PS1.
Real life gets in my way too much.
Don't worry about it JCE. You'll spring back. It's just a question of total attack of one game that can make you feel like that. Think about messing with a DJ prog. I think they rock.<img src=smilies/magbiggrin.gif>

[JCE3000GT]

> Think about messing with a DJ prog. I think they rock.

They are, I've played with them before...just don't feel like doing anything electronically except watch movie/dvds.

[Slicer S. V.]

> Why would you "create" your own language when more than half
> of the world speaks english, spanish, or french? I mean,
> unless you're making one for a series of games or movies
> then what's the point? Someone enlighten me?

because it's fun?

[Slicer S. V.]

> Yup. From what I understand, Orson himself is trying to
> downplay his involvment with the game itself though, other
> than story-wise. Www.hatrack.com is is official website and

interesting. i know about his web site, btw. i am a VERY big card fan.

> he is so damn cool he even responds to posts on his own
> forum. Sometimes he even gets into running joke convos with
> people, cool guy eh? Anyway yeah, Advent Rising's main

hmm... i don't typically visit the the main forums, i spend enough time on the Workshop... where Card has managed to convince Kathleen Dalton Woodbury, another big name in the business, to moderate ;)

> story-line wasn't written BY Card (from what he explained).
> It was written by the creator of the game, sorta like "jim
> olson" thought up "ok.. aliens hate humans... last human
> around.. has powers, set in the future... etc." but OSC
> actually developed the entire story more fully.

it doesn't matter who came up with the original idea, i'm sure Card did an excellent job of filling in the details and making it a VERY entertaining plot with excellent character interaction. that's what he is best at, characters.

[puduhead]

> So what did I do yesterday? Watched the entire 8th season of Friends on DVD.

this is more serious than i thought!

Anyway i stopped playing games over 3 months ago. Didn't look back... until this memorial day weekend when the women that I am dating ditched me an I ended up playing LOTR: Battle for Middle Earth and FarCry.

maybe it's a phase.

[Isildur]

> until this memorial day weekend when the women
> that I am dating ditched me

I'm guessing they found out about each other? Or were they okay with that part? <img src=smilies/eek13.gif>

[puduhead]

> I'm guessing they found out about each other? Or were they
> okay with that part?

lol dating is just dating, not inherently exclusive unless you're a couple or something.

[Isildur]

> lol dating is just dating, not inherently exclusive unless
> you're a couple or something.
>

I was just kidding around, heh. Probably should have put a wink smiley or a "j/k" up there. =P

[D--]

I find for me it's a patience thing. I play RPGs for the story usually and don't really give a rats ass about levelling up. I'm perfectly happy to just use a code to crank my exp and walk my way through a game talking to people and buying crap.

Last system I bought was a Dreamcast. I just play NES, TG16, old arcade and PC games and some SNES stuff most of the time. I have no interest in games beyond then. They bore me so fucking much. I'd rather beat Dragon Warrior I for the 100th time than play Square-Enix-EA-AOL-Time Warner-Gaming Conglomerate Unlimited's latest pomp-and-flash 3D shitstorm.

[Cless]

Well, it could be the old and jaded thing. I'm kind of headed in that direction but I've been trying to fight it off. :P

I've been playing games for 20 years, since the NES came out and still enjoying ones coming out today. In fact, there are more games coming out today that I want than there ever was years ago. As a result, I have a backlog between my GameCube and PS2 that could easily last me until 2008.

Although there are so many games coming out that I want, I've come to notice something. I don't get excited like I used to, and most games don't leave the same kind of impression of utter awesomeness that they used to. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy them. On the contrary, I actually see a lot of these actually being WAY better than what I played years ago. I play RPGs still, today they're much bigger, more refined, usually have more features and gameplay in them, and deeper storylines. If I had some of these games in my heyday, I'd have been more blown away than ever.

If I play an older 16-bit era game I'd never played before, it's like any new game today; I don't feel as excited or as impressionate as before. So my case is definitely not some kind of old system bias, just me getting older.

Although I do admit I don't play many super mass market milion sellers, and only a small handful of RPGs in my PS2/GC collection have a Square logo on them (there's more to RPGs than them).